On paper, the Bonnaroo Music and Arts Festival is a four day event in Manchester, Tennessee

that has over a hundred acts.

But the reality is, it's an event within an event within an event.

There's so many different things going on and one of those has to do with electronic

dance music.

We're going to talk about EDM a little bit more right now on the What Podcast.

All right.

Hey everybody.

Welcome back to the What Podcast.

It's a gorgeous, gorgeous March day.

Spring is here, man.

Spring is here.

Brian, I thought of you yesterday, my four year old, five year old granddaughter.

It was opening day at Middle Valley for T-ball.

All right.

The Pirates, I'd like to say they crushed the Cubs, but we don't keep score.

So you're not going to get on social and tell everybody that they're champions of the world?

Like everyone of my friends, everyone, everyone of my friends, all their kids win all the

championships.

This has gone beyond participation trophies.

It's participation championship trophies.

Who is losing all these games if all my friends' kids win them all?

It was so much fun.

It was everything you would expect because it was two, three and four year old.

Well, that's, that's a whole different world than what I'm talking about.

It was so good.

You had kids running the wrong way, dropping their gloves, falling down, crying.

This is, this is where, when you throw me in an element like that, I'd be so mad.

Get up.

What are you doing out there, man?

Throw it to second, throw it to second.

I'm glad you said that because I walked all over that ballpark and I don't know what they're

doing out there at middle Valley, but their parents were great.

There was none of that.

Really?

None of it.

No, it was awesome.

Everybody was clapping for both teams.

And like I said, all the, all ages, it was great.

Maybe this, uh, you know, the, the farm bill from 2018 and the derivatives of THC products

are getting to the parents and it's chilling them out.

Maybe that's what it is.

So much fun.

In fact, they were, one of the parents told me that the day before the little, I guess

it was five or six years old, had a game and the coach told the catcher run to third, run

to third.

You know what he did?

He went to first, second, and then the third.

Hey, that's how I remembered being told is how you get, you're not born on third kid.

You're not born on third.

It was so much fun.

But anyway, that's not what we're here to talk about today.

We're here to talk about EDM and as promised, we put together a panel.

Uh, we've got Kyle, Christian, Matthew, and Tyrone who agreed to get up on this Sunday

to talk to us about EDM and, and guys, I don't know what your takeaway was for me.

It was one of the last questions we asked, which was, uh, of the, of all the acts, what

percentage do you think you will see that will have electronic dance music involved?

And all four of them said 50 50.

Yeah.

So that surprise you a little actually.

Yeah.

I would say, yeah, because, um, it's just such a strong brand loyalty, but, um, it's,

it also shows that there is also a lot of musical diversity in these, in these fan base,

in this fan base.

And I guess when you really think about it, there has to be, there's so many different

versions of this stuff that you have to be genre diverse or you couldn't, it wouldn't

be possible for you to like it, uh, for all the reasons that you might want to come up

with that you don't like it could be the same reasons why you, why you do.

Yeah.

And it surprised me cause I don't know what I would have predicted.

I think maybe one of them might've said, I would have guessed 80 20.

Like that's the only reason I'm going type of thing.

Um, but what it said to me and kind of to put a finer point on what you just said, and

we've talked about this, um, you know, we started this podcast because we love Bonnaroo

and a big part of what we've talked about over the years is how it adapts, how it reads

the market and has changed, right?

Started as a jam band festival because they knew the fish fans would camp.

They knew they had to get an audience that would sleep in a sleeping bag in the middle

of it.

So it wasn't a tough sell to them, but to the general public, especially coming off

of a couple of decades of this, just being a general failure, the massive festival in

the United States of America was a general fest failure for a couple of decades.

So yeah, they did what it seems now is simple idea or decision to make, but we're going

to focus on that.

And then that only got a shelf life for a little while.

And then they've adapted every, every five years, the place looks different.

Correct.

They've added trees, they've added grass, they've, and you know, change visuals, added

a lot of VIP, you know, which was a pissed a lot of people off early on, you know, you're

selling out or where's the hippie fast, you know, why are, where we got RVs, you know,

type of thing.

Yeah.

Point being they adapted the market.

They know, you know, they got to get people in there.

And as we've gotten older, I don't want to sleep on the dirt anymore.

You know, I want a flushable toilet.

I want a shower.

I want this and that.

But one of the biggest changes they did in the point that I'm trying to make is what

2017 2018 we decided they converted the other tent to just the other stage and dedicated

it to electronic dance music, EDM, which at that time was just basically what I would

call bass, you know, the doom to doom, doom, doom, doom, doom stuff.

Really, really loud.

And Brian, I know, I know our campmate, Mike, uh, doer camp, yeah, nut butter mate.

He was like, what the, why are they doing this?

I know we probably had discussions about it too.

They're probably an entire tent to this horrible music that we don't like.

I liked it.

You guys didn't like it as much.

I'm good with it for a little bit.

Um, but what a smart move, right?

What a smart move that was.

Well, they saw the, they saw the trends and they, and that's goes to what we were just

talking about, how they, they see them early.

And it was very obvious to anybody who wanted to pay attention, which I wasn't one, I didn't

want to pay attention, but if you wanted to, it was very obvious that this is where this,

uh, the popular music was trending and you better start dedicating it to it or the right

of passage, the youth movement that makes this festival, makes this engine turn.

You better, you better excite them.

And they have, and even on what, and they, and when I say they, the general EDM fans

tend, I, I'm hearing this is not a stacked year for EDM music.

I'm hearing that even though pretty lights is getting this, this legendary, what we,

you know, or at least a history, Bonnaroo history making headline Thursday set, even

with that, it still feels like it's not like heavy, but they still can't wait.

So isn't that funny with, so within the EDM fandom, there are clicks.

If it's too much house, I'm not in, if there's not enough base, I'm not in, you know, so

in our minds, right, it's one, it's just one thing.

It's all which is silly and foolish, but I agree with you.

I was, I'm the same way.

I was to say, I was, I still am the same way, but if you really want to think about it,

all genres of music since the beginning of recorded music has all those layers.

And for some reason we didn't, or I I'll speak for me.

I didn't want to give it the credit that it would have that kind of legacy potential of

building and we use the jam band community a lot for all the obvious reasons, but same

kind of thing.

Um, freeze McGee and Mo to the people who don't know anything about those two bands

are going to be like, yeah, there's the same band.

No, they're not.

No they're not.

But they do, you could interchange loops.

You could, sorry, you could interchange one or two of their songs and be like, that sounds

similar, but no, no, no, no.

These are in two different orbits.

And that's what I'm learning.

I mean, there's, you know, there's hair metal and there's, you know, there's the stones,

you know, there's, there's Southern rock, alt country, pop country, rock country, Jason

Isbell, drive-by truckers, uh, Jason Aldean, you know, and, and it's, um, it's interesting

to learn more about for sure.

I don't know if it's ever going to make me like it is anymore and be, uh, and be immersed

in it, but I, I've been saying it over and over.

I can't wait for pretty lights on a Thursday.

I really can't.

Yeah, I think there's stuff that you like.

I go ahead, rush.

You were going to say, well, just that talking about all those genres, EDM fans seem to be

the most vocal when it comes to, you know, wanting to make sure that their most interested

X are booked or at least represented.

You know, the most criticism we get on the show was, well, you don't know any, you don't

have anybody that talks about EDM and the people you do have, they didn't talk about

my EDM and you know, so there's, there's the, oh, well, you're going to have your snobs

in every one of them, but they are a very vocal bunch.

They're probably more vocal and opinionated than some other genre.

Well, and they're, and they're younger and that, and you get a lot of that.

Um, and, and that's understandable and, and, and completely tolerable.

If nothing else, it all comes with it and it's, it, it all adds to the, to the, um,

magical mystic mystical kind of nature of it.

I agree.

I, I like it and again, I want to thank Daniel, who was our guest, uh, last week for putting

together a list.

I spent all morning listening to it and, uh, you know, just a couple of notes.

It's funny when you listen to this music, um, you can hear a song, a sample with new

order gotcha and kiss.

I mean, who's sampling kiss who's sampling new order.

I know.

And then that, well, it's funny you say that cause like the kiss thing, I was like, you

know, they made kiss sound good finally.

Yeah.

And don't touch new order.

You know, the music's knob in me is like, who the hell is messing with new order?

Who do you think you are?

I'm glad we agree on the nonsense.

It is kiss, but, uh, I was a huge fan anyway.

Um, that's another story.

So one of the things that struck me from our conversation was that 50 50.

We asked the guy, we asked the four guys, uh, how much EDM music do they think they

will listen to, uh, during this festival during this Bonnaroo in June?

And all four of them said about 50 50.

Um, cause you know, you know, there's people out there that will go and park right in front

of the other stage and just stay there the whole time.

They don't care what's happening at the what or the witch or anything.

They're there for EDM and that's their entire festival.

So their money spends exact same as mine does.

So, uh, they, I mean, there's no Bonnaroo as much as, yeah, no, I know.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's, it's, it's, it's an interesting dynamic for sure.

That's why I say how smart those guys were for, for seeing it and doing it.

Hey guys, especially you, Russ.

I know you're excited.

We've got an event coming up with a friend of the show flip turn, right?

Flip turn we've had on the show.

They played at Bonnaroo.

They've played at our moon river festival and, uh, they're coming back to Chattanooga

April 3rd.

They're going to play at the signal at the, uh, the, actually the signal has moved to

a new venue.

Have you been yet?

I haven't been to the new spot.

I've been in there.

It's nice.

Okay.

Yeah.

I've been, uh, one time, um, and it was pretty impressive, pretty good stuff over there on

the Choo Choo campus.

And one of the bands I learned the most from at moon river here locally in Chattanooga

was flip turn last year.

So at the signal should be a fun time.

Yep.

Cool band.

Cool.

They sat down with us.

Uh, we got to hang out with them and they're coming back to the signal on April 3rd.

And if you want to go, you should go and you can see Russ.

Yeah, I'll be there.

He'll buy you a PBR.

I mean, maybe not.

Maybe not.

All right.

Give me a high five.

So all right, here we go.

Here's our conversation with Kyle, Matthew, Christian, and Tyrone.

It was a good conversation and I want to thank them for giving up their time.

All right.

So we're back on the What Podcast.

This is our EDM panel.

We've been threatening to do this for quite a while.

And thank you guys for getting up on a, on a Sunday morning.

I don't know about where you guys are, but it's a gorgeous Sunday morning in Chattanooga

right now.

It's stunning.

But in any case, I'm down in the basement with you guys.

We're going to talk about some electronic dance music.

We're going to get some more tips and, uh, I can already see Brian's head exploding.

Uh, I'm Barry.

That's Lord Taco, Bryan Stone, as always tell it.

All right.

So we've got Kyle, Christian, Matthew, and Tyrone.

You guys agreed to be on this sort of impromptu panel as we're calling it.

Um, my goal here and Brian and Russ, you tell me if I'm wrong is to kind of get out of the

way.

Um, we've already admitted we're the old guys in the room.

This is not our music.

I think Russ last week, you'd nailed it with the iceberg analogy.

We did, um, we did learn and discover thanks to Daniel for putting together his Spotify.

I've spent all morning listening to his list and, uh, I like a whole bunch of it and some

of it, not so much, but that's okay.

Um, so again, the iceberg EDM for people who are just joining in, um, is, is, we will admit

the three of us that it's maybe not our jam, so to speak, but it is so big, uh, that Bonnaroo,

the festival that we love and the reason that we're here dedicated an entire stage to it.

And when that's the thing that I probably want to say real quick, and then I'll quit

talking so much.

When I listened to the playlist, it makes sense why they would dedicate an entire stage

at this festival, right?

It's, um, there's a lot going on.

There's a lot to like, uh, there's a lot of different sounds.

Um, and so with that said, uh, let's introduce each other.

Kyle, tell us who you are and where you're from and why you're here, I guess.

Well, man, I get to go first.

All right.

Just cause you're first on my screen.

There you go.

That works.

They can all proud me back.

You know, I was on here a couple of years ago talking to stuff with you.

So it's cool to be back on here with the whole panel this term.

This is awesome.

Um, this will be my ninth honor.

Rue eight honors with that.

It was two years that we missed.

It's kind of confusing.

Um, I'm down here in Atlanta, Georgia.

So quick drive up to Manchester and we're here to talk some EDM with you all.

I'm stoked.

Christian, you're next on my screen.

Uh, Christian first time on the what podcast?

Um, coming out of Chicago, Illinois right now, not too bad of a drive.

Eight hours down there.

It's a, this is gonna be my fourth year.

I fell in love with the festival.

First time I went and, uh, excited to talk to you guys about it.

All right, Tyrone.

Okay.

Yep.

This is my first time on the what podcast.

Um, I'm an electronic music journalist, freelance journalists, and I run the music blog, the

daily frequency.

I started that in 2020.

So I've been growing that ever since and really excited to be here and just talk about EDM

honors, my favorite, favorite music festival.

I've been going since 2017, but I missed a year in 2018 because all my friends wanted

to go to firefly, which was mistakes, but I'm happy to be here and happy to go this

year again.

So I'm ready.

All right, Matthew, tell us about you.

Uh, Matthew also first time on the What Podcast, uh, originally from Atlanta, Georgia, but

now for the past four years in Nashville.

So I've got the quick one hour drive down.

Um, last year actually, it was my first year ever attending monitor though, but I've been

attending dance music shows and festivals for over a decade at this point.

So excited to get back to the farm, hopefully this year.

All right.

So Tyrone, let's start with you, uh, because we were talking, you've been listening to

this show for, since it started, uh, we were kind of talking off air.

You started a, uh, tell us again, daily frequency, right?

Daily frequency.

Yeah.

The daily, it called the daily frequency.

It started off as a music blog focusing on everything.

Because when I went to Bonnaroo, I wanted to cover, you know, like I have a wide range

of music, but then I realized that you got to kind of niche down and I was a big fan

of electronic music.

So I just started niching down to that.

And then ever since I started niching down, I, uh, just focused on covering mostly like

house and dubstep.

And now it's, it's been growing pretty, pretty, pretty big.

I got up to, grew up to 18,000 followers this past, past year.

Um, and I'm working with a bunch of, uh, publicists from like dead beats and what con and a bunch

of all these big labels that I can't even believe that they're reaching out, out to

me to cover their artists, you know?

So it's, it's pretty crazy.

It's been quite the ride the past few years.

I'm taking a quick look at the, uh, at the, just the site.

Haven't even started with the socials.

It looks good.

It's assembled somewhat of a network of a team that helps you cover this as a one man

band.

That's a tough thing to do.

Honestly, right now it's one man band.

I have, I have a few friends that will, uh, write an article here and there, but I'm trying

to figure all that out.

I'm, you know, I designed the website, I do all the socials.

It's kind of a, it's kind of, it's kind of, it's pretty hard, but now that it's growing,

I got to find a way to make it team.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, that's why I wanted to start with you.

This is the thing about this festival is that there are so many things that have grown out

of it, right?

This podcast being one, uh, the fact that people from Chicago and New Jersey and Atlanta

and Nashville have this shared experience so much so that, uh, you've created, uh, your

own thing.

But part of why I wanted to start with you is you've kind of seen the evolution, I guess

of the other.

So for sure.

For people who, you know, talk about that and then we'll talk to everybody else.

Uh, how has it grown?

How has it changed?

Why did it even, I mean, Brian, Brian and I were there the first year.

Uh, we've seen it go from jam band, uh, you know, whatever.

And I can remember when they took the other and made it into an EDM, old guys like us

were like, what the hell?

Yeah.

Uh, but it was a smart move.

It was a very, very smart.

So I think 2017 was the first year.

My first year was 2017.

I believe that was the first year they changed the other into an actual stage.

That sounds right.

If I'm not mistaken.

And, um, and coming from like before I went to Bonnaroo, all the music festivals I went

to was city like, like EDM festivals.

So it was like Yizhou, Ultra Music Festival, EDC, and they had a pretty, pretty good lineup

for what my taste was in 2017.

So that's what drew me to go to Bonnaroo.

And I mean, it, it blew my mind just the camping festival.

I never, I never experienced a camping festival before.

So to see my favorite EDM acts at a camping festival, it really was like big mind blow

kind of situation, if that makes sense.

But uh, I think that it fluctuates what they book every year.

And I feel like when they do book bass artists, I feel like there's more, they sell out, they

sell more tickets.

And, you know, like last year they booked primarily bass artists and released some big

bass artists and they sold out in a 2022 mostly house.

Didn't really sell out now 2024 kind of the same deal is going on right now.

So I feel like that the Bonnaroo crowd more aligns with maybe bass.

And that's just my opinion.

I could be completely wrong with that, but that's how I see it as a fan right now.

Kyle, you've been to several, uh, jump in your, what are your thoughts on the evolution

and how things have changed?

Where in the woods is amazing.

Like that is one of the best things we've done, you know, making the other into, I remember

going to the other tent back in the day.

And I remember, uh, I remember seeing drum, the rapper, well, the first year that the

other turned into a stage and like that's still like kind of hip hop and EDM on the

other stage.

Uh, but then putting where it was out there and turning it into different types of stage

builds and you know, now we're having takeovers.

I've been chasing status takeover out there and you know, that's, they're going in the

right direction with that.

And you guys talked about takeovers on the last medium, uh, podcast and it's such a good

idea.

It's, it brings a lot of people who are, you know, if you're a fan of one artist from that

one label, you're probably still going to go because that those other artists are similar.

Uh, my dream is to have a deep, dark and dangerous takeover on the water.

Someday like we need it.

You had a couple of artists that were kind of close that have stuck in, but we need the

whole gang there.

You know, they've got so many artists to take from, um, you know, but watching the evolution

of water has been amazing.

I mean, I've been rolling up a flushable toilet.

Like that was a big day for all of us.

I remember grass, like the squirts was cool too.

Like the squirts was, you know, it was ugly, but like it doesn't change.

Now we have the beautiful digital arts that we have now.

So you know, they're taking steps in the right direction.

It's just getting better and better and better every year as you guys all know.

So Christian and Matthew, I'm ask you both, what drew you to Bonnaroo?

Uh, Matthew, you're close enough.

You're like us.

It's, you know, it's a, it's close.

So I'll, I'll start with you.

Uh, what drew you and what brings you back?

Yeah.

So honestly, it was always kind of in my sphere, even growing up in Atlanta.

It was kind of that first camping festival.

A lot of kids in high school went to, um, but I ended up going to college in the Midwest.

So ended up going to a lot of my first festivals out there.

Um, and like I said, most of my festivals I initially went to were dance music specific.

So I'd never really been to a big camping multi-genre festival.

So it was honestly bad to experience it.

It was almost, I went for things other than EDM last year, um, even though they did have

a really good baseline, like has already been mentioned.

Um, so for me, it was also like said to experience something different.

The price initially kind of scared me away because it was definitely more than a lot

of the dance music festivals I go to, but I think the experience definitely made up

for that.

And that's why I would consider going again this year, even with a less than stellar lineup

for what I listened to.

All right, Christian, you coming from Chicago.

You've got lots of music.

You've got a lot of options.

Why make an eight hour drive to middle of, uh, Tennessee to a farm?

Well, Bonnaroo was my first music festival.

Um, I went there with a couple of friends and, um, I listened to a couple of the stuff,

you know, uh, I was big on Childish Gambino in 2019.

That was my first year.

Uh, Solange, you know, Kay Flay, a nice little variety there.

And it was actually my first time seeing EDM music was at Bonnaroo.

I walked into like Space Jesus, Back to Back, EEPROM, like R.O.

Grime, uh, Odeza.

I mean, the 2023 performance from them was possibly one of the best things I've ever

seen.

Uh, so it's just been incredible to see how that growth has just been taking over like

more and more every year.

And, uh, it's really incredible to see that this year, the lineup, uh, there's a lot of

great names.

Um, Pretty Lights is going to be an incredible show for Thursday.

Uh, there, there's Saturday into Sunday morning is going to be incredible.

Um, similar to what Tyrone was saying, uh, it's a little bit more house heavy this year

with, you know, with Fisher, with, uh, names like Disco Lines, it's Murph.

Uh, it'll be nice to see those, those up and coming.

Um, I wish that they had a little bit more base this year.

I'm glad they had like nice additions and, uh, we're in the woods.

Like what Kyle was saying, Chase and status is going to be, that's an insane get for Wednesday.

Um, excited to see the surprise Sunday headliner is going to be as well.

That's, uh, leaving a little room for mystery there.

Uh, but yeah, I'm excited to come back for my fourth year.

Well, let me jump in on that real quickly because a couple of you have all mentioned

kind of the same thing.

Uh, there's more or less house, more or less base, uh, the sub genres of, of, of electronic

dance music.

And I have trouble enough wrapping my head around just the, uh, the genre as a whole,

but um, how much in Tyrone, we'll start with you.

How much, as far as from just a generalized fan base is the brand loyalty to these sub

genres like house to base.

And I can't remember that we talked about this with Daniel the other week and I can't

remember all of them.

Um, do you find, cause you used to me, I think Tyrone, you mentioned specifically because

of one of one or the other you saw or yourself was more inclined to go.

Do you find that loyalty to that sub genre there as much as just, or the umbrella of

it all or just speak to that if you would.

Well, I think that like in the last episode, Daniel was talking about how maybe house is

more like aligned with like pop and hip hop and base music is more aligned with, you know,

like jam.

And I think that while some fans probably will branch out and they'll go see a house

show here and there if you love base, but like you want, you still want to be around

the base.

It's like a completely different experience in my opinion.

I see house as something like it's a party.

House is a party.

It's a good time.

Like you can hang out with your friends, you're dancing, you're, you're getting drinks, you're

moving around and it's something you can kind of come in and out of maybe not something

you have to focus on exactly because it's a bit more casual.

Yeah, exactly.

And base is kind of like, to me it's, it's like an experience.

It's like a rock show.

It's like, you want to be there from the beginning to the end, like especially see where it goes.

See how it evolves over the course of the show.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's like a journey into, well, I mean, house is a journey too, but it's different kind

of experience in my opinion.

I think these are really good topics because they are different.

The base for people, base is the one that just grabs you by the chest, right?

And makes you feel like your cavity is going to explode.

Yeah.

Melts your face.

You're thinking lights and you're thinking the base drops and all that.

That's what I like.

I like that a lot.

House is more, to me, is that, would that be a girl talk?

Is that qualified?

No.

Where I was going with that is house to me is kind of like, for me, it's listening to

see if I recognize the, the, where they pulled from.

Where the sample might come from.

And I was, I was thinking the same thing, Barry.

Is it fair to say pretty lights his house?

I would say pretty lights definitely lines more with base if they're going to, if you're

going to really experimental experimental base, electric, electro soul.

Okay.

We got a whole new category now.

Yeah.

I'm taking notes, man.

I'm taking notes.

Add it to the list.

So iceberg just keeps Daniel last.

Yeah.

Like Daniel, Daniel gave you guys the phylos playlist.

I would say like phylos kind of is electro soul in a sense, like that, that kind of vibe,

you know, like hip hop, like that's one of like the record takeover type of things.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And you know, probably the biggest name for house this year is going to be Fisher.

I think he's been everywhere with his under construction from Chris Lake.

It just got canceled this past weekend at ultra because of a rainstorm, but they've

been popping up everywhere.

They had a whole Hollywood Boulevard shut down.

They were, they basically like closed out a stage of Coachella.

I think house music is really getting more popular than ever.

And Fisher is a prime example of that.

I think his Thursday set is going to be an incredible, just great time for even if you're

not into EDM, I think you're going to be able to see the energy from just everyone there

and kind of understand it.

Well, speaking of that, speaking to that Fisher, sorry, Barry, is that I, another thing that's

different about the Thursday lineup this year, it, with the pretty lights, headlining main

stage set, which I'm super excited about, cause I love the, the what stage, but Fisher

is also right there at the top.

So that's a, that's, that's if, if pretty lights weren't there, that would probably

be a pretty big draws is what I'm hearing.

Oh, for sure.

All right.

Do this for me.

So, uh, we have the link to Daniel's playlist on Spotify and thanks again to him for doing

that.

Cause it's a lot of, a lot of work and it's great.

Let's go real quick.

Pretty lights.

What type, what type of music you just said?

It's a bass.

Yeah.

I would say bass, jam, electro soul.

He kind of does like everything hip hop, you know, trip hop, Fisher, glitch.

I'm going to, tech house.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Very similar.

Yeah.

Oliver Heldens.

Yeah.

Very techno.

Yeah.

Seven lions is he's like an millennium, like a future base.

Yeah.

Melodic bass.

Yeah.

Dr. Fresh.

Bass house.

Yeah.

That's going to be a good show.

He's a heavier kind of house though.

So he'll incorporate a lot of dubstep elements into his music.

So he'll be in the heavier side of house and he might even play some drum and bass and

some dubstep as well.

So shy effects.

It'll be a fun set.

Drum and bass.

Drum and bass.

Hamdy.

Dubstep.

Yeah.

UK dubstep.

UK grime.

I think.

Pretty experimental too.

I was going to say maybe even a little techno.

That's Allison Wonderland's.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's techno.

Yeah.

Allison Wonderland's alter ego.

She's like a pretty big bass trap artist.

Yeah.

See the side project.

She played in 2018 too.

The word techno has changed over the last 25 years.

I think it's fair to say that's an older term.

So I hear that and I even don't know what that means anymore.

I'm interested to find out.

That's what we do here every week.

Yeah.

I mean it used to be like craft work, right?

Yeah.

Techno.

My day.

So Fred again, the big, the big, the big unknown that everybody's talking about.

What would, how would we describe that one?

I don't even know how you'd describe that.

I don't even know how you'd describe that.

Electronic just, you know, because he plays a lot of.

It's really like emotional, like kind of future aspects as well.

Yeah.

And actually let's, let's stick on that for just a second.

Cause we talked about this a little bit the other week and Kyle start there.

Cause you started with it, Fred again, um, just to talk, talk to us about, about that.

You said the live performance is, is I believe what I heard you just say, go ahead and expand

on that, Kyle.

Well he also like, you know, his sets, he's doing a lot of stuff.

Why?

Like he's got a samplers out there.

He's out there smashing the buttons.

You know, nothing's really prerecorded.

You know, this, you might play a song, he'll do something over top of it at the same time.

Um, I'm just going off of what I see on YouTube.

I've got to see him live.

I'm so excited to see him.

Fair enough.

Barometer.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So yeah.

So the, the, the name hit the, I had trouble with this being a headliner at first, the

more I've talked to people, the less I have trouble with it.

Uh, but this seems to be a pretty, a pretty big deal for really the whole country from

the festival scene.

Anybody who wants to take it out and talk about it at all.

Yeah, I think that they're really looking forward into the future with this, uh, booking.

I was, I was surprised that he's the number one, but I mean, I saw him at Lollapalooza

last year.

Uh, he closed out as the main, one of the three main headliners for Coachella and every

single show that I've seen, like on Ticketmaster on any sort of resale, they're going for like

hundreds, if not like thousand dollars for a ticket.

Uh, his pull has never been as big as he is now.

And I think like looking back in a couple of years, especially looking back after this

Sunday night headline, a lot of people who had doubts are really going to like feel comfortable

with what happened.

I think I believe that.

Yeah.

The more, the more I, I hear about that, I absolutely think I believe that.

And, and many times the Sunday night has been reserved for kind of the slower legacy rock

decks, slow it down.

We're just kind of winding things down.

We're pulling up the cords.

Everybody all done yet over there?

Uh, this is a whole different thing, right?

Like, I mean, there's, Bonnaroo doesn't, once you're there, they don't really care if you

leave, they want you to stay.

They don't care if you leave either way, they're going to make some money there.

They got your ticket money.

So they're not, the, the organization is not that worried about that, but sometimes the

artists might be, I mean, sometimes Sunday, that place can be a third of everybody's long

gone by the time Sunday evening tonight rolls around half of everybody could be gone.

Still doesn't really feel like it, but, but they are.

It feels like this might be a little bit different.

Yeah.

I would highly encourage people to stay.

I think you're going to be, you know, with like the emotion in his, in his music, I think

you'd be hugging your best friends.

I think you're going to be laughing, crying, dancing.

Like it's really going to be an incredible show.

I'm excited to see what he's going to pull out for his only North American like tour

festival headline this year.

I think it's going to be really good and I would highly encourage people to stick around.

I know the, the Bonnaroo people are very, very excited about it.

How much does the EDM lineup impact your ticket buying?

And, and I'm asking that because it's really, you know, we talk about lineups a lot, but,

and we talk about headliners and we talk about undercard, but EDM again is its own creature.

Right?

I mean, it really is almost like a festival within a festival.

Right.

It seems, seems to me that it's become that especially with the woods.

Absolutely.

Am I right in that interpretation?

Yeah.

And like I said, I might be the weird one on here where with Bonnaroo specifically, it

doesn't as much affect my buying because I am treating it differently as a multi-genre

festival.

It definitely helps.

Like last year I was super excited for that Thursday lineup.

That was like a justification for a huge part of the price for me.

And then everything else was just extra on top of it.

But this year, if I do end up going, it's not going to be a huge impact because there's

not a lot of artists on there that either I haven't seen or that would be a draw to

me on their own, on the dance music side, besides the pretty lights, which I did luckily

get to see for the three night caverns run and a couple of the smaller artists like Hamdi

and Lainey.

Well, to that point, we talk about it on the, since I've been around on this show regularly

and then for years, people are probably tired of hearing it.

We don't really care who's on the lineup.

We really, we really don't.

I guess it kind of goes back to what I was talking about before.

Do EDM fans, do you think that these ticket prices can scare them off or have they, as

Bonnaroo dedicated enough time, because you're not necessarily going to get a great lineup

every year, but because they've dedicated this stage and dedicated a portion of this

festival, do you feel like that impact is hitting where Bonnaroo is hoping that it's

hitting?

I think it really goes back to the sub genre conversation that you were having before and

where you kind of fall in that, to me at least.

I think you all are hitting it on the nail on the head with certain sub genres of dance

music being aligned to certain genres outside of it.

Like for example, with myself, I, as a primarily bass fan, would be a lot of times more likely

to go over to a jam show or a hip hop show than stay at the other for a house show.

So it's not like I'm just going to park at the other because it's EDM.

I'm more likely to go to other genres that I feel like are more in line with my scene.

Oh yeah.

Because I was just going to say, I feel like other festivals, it may matter more, but I

don't know.

There's something about Bonnaroo that you just don't want to miss.

As you guys say, it's never not great.

So even if this is a lineup that doesn't really align with you, you're still going to have

a great time.

And I think once you go to Bonnaroo for the first time and then you realize the type of

cool it is, like you're going to, regardless of the line, if you're going to want to, you're

going to be gravitated to go.

Well, it's pretty cool that that is translating into this, to this new, and I still consider

2017 now kind of a little while ago, but not that far back.

It's pretty cool that this is still filtering in the same way that, oh, well, my favorite

band didn't make it.

So I'm not going.

I mean, the never not great thing.

I mean, the quote will live and die with this show for eternity because it's our friend

Ken Weinstein.

It's totally true.

And it goes, whether you're talking about rock and roll or R and B or anything, they

don't all sound the same.

And this is the same kind of thing.

So it's cool to hear that that's that that's translating well, because I think that's the

goal and I think they do it well.

No real question there.

Just a commentary.

All right.

So we have also talked about on here and Brad, former co-host, you know, co-founder of this

show.

We always talked about when you hear certain music, a certain band in your head, it immediately

takes you to the middle of either the witch field or the what field.

And you just know, right.

You can picture that band on the farm at a certain time of day.

It could be two in the afternoon, four in the afternoon.

Brian, you've talked about that a bunch.

There's there's nothing better than a, you know, four in the afternoon show on the what

when it sounds great and it's the right band in my head.

EDM has to be listened to at two o'clock in the morning.

That's it.

There's no other.

That's surely not fair, but that's what I think.

It's not fair.

That's what I think.

It's not fair, but that's me.

I'm not going to listen to that.

So who are you listening to on the other at two in the afternoon or four in the afternoon?

EDM, I mean, you know, house music house.

Yeah, it should be.

It should be house music.

It's in the fields.

It's Murph, Vandalux, Disco Line, something lighter, something not crazy.

I'm curious to see how it's going to play out on Friday because there is a lot of bass

on Friday, like all day with Lonnie, with Hamdi, Dr. Fresh, it'll be ISO.

That's what I'm worried about, though, because even in 2022, we had a there was some good

bass artists like on a Sunday and they put like Raven Schoon at three three p.m. and,

you know, it's way too hot for heavy bass at three p.m. on a Sunday at Bonnaroo.

I was all the way all day on Sunday.

I was covered in dust like I couldn't walk.

But we're happy you made it through that and you're still here with us today because that

sounds dangerous.

It was a blast.

I ran a water halfway through it.

I was like, all right, we're going to keep going until I can't take any more.

Good for you, man.

That's what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

So along those lines, too, I mean, is it an all day?

I mean, I think, Matthew, you said it's the multi you like all the different things are

all of you guys.

You're not just parked at the other for all four days, right?

Do you know anybody that does?

I mean, that's that's a stupid old man.

But I know really one stage the whole time.

I mean, they do have really great acts like the undercard is pretty strong.

And there are some really great shows that are going to be had Casablanca, not to like

these are going to be some really good daytime shows.

I like a little bit more variety.

So I'll be hopping from tents and stages.

But I always find my way to the other like at the end of the day.

Wow.

So if I had to curate my schedule and I'm going to be in the other all day waiting for

that two a.m. base drop, that's a long day, right?

I mean, that's true of any other stages, but that's a long day.

I mean, at least you're not walking around, you know, walking around the center a lot.

So you're saving energy that way.

It's a fair point.

A day has been hard.

My knees were giving out.

I walked back to camp on Sunday.

I was having a whole lot of people's shoulders.

It was bad.

That's what I'm that's what I'm imagining.

That's a lot of sway.

And all right, so let's go around each of you.

We kind of mentioned who were the don't miss who were the don't miss shows.

And let's do it maybe this way for for Brian.

If you guys were to tell Bryan Stone or Russ at Russ, I mean, he's he's his typical loud

mouth today.

We can't hardly shut the guy out.

Have you been over to the other?

I mean, this isn't your kind of music either.

Is it, Russ?

Not to put you on the spot, but no.

Yeah.

All right.

So you guys were going to convince Russ and Brian, you know, or not convinced, but educate

who were the bands that you guys would or the acts that you guys would say you you need

to go see?

Don't miss this one.

We'll start with you.

We'll start with you, Tyrone.

OK, so are we talking about just like that would be playing the other or?

Yeah, let's do it.

Let's do it.

We're in the woods.

Yeah.

We want to do the other first.

Let's start with the other and then we'll go to the woods.

Yeah, yeah, I like that.

OK, all right.

OK, yeah.

So I mean, definitely, definitely Pretty Lights.

Like I definitely would not miss Pretty Lights.

That's going to be that's going to be just even if you don't like electronic music, like

you're going to find something he's going to play some some track that you knew from

like the 70s mixed over something else.

And it's going to be it's going to be awesome.

I would also say maybe maybe like a disco lines.

You know, it's just like it's just a fun party.

You know, like you're just going to you know, he's going to he's going to play some good

music and it's going to be, you know, upbeat and you don't want to dance to it.

I'm trying to think of stuff that's not like to question what do you got?

Like definitely not set in death.

Yeah, that'd be great.

Yeah, for Pretty Lights, for sure.

I would say go to Fisher if you just want to see like peak dance house music.

It is without a doubt going to be a party.

I think that anyone who is in the vicinity is probably going to be drawn into to not

only the music, but the energy of everyone there.

Like every every single fish that I've seen online, I just recently saw him at Decadence.

He his crowd control is unbelievable.

I would highly recommend Dr. Fresh as well.

That's something that's going to be like a little bit more grimy, like a little darker

or something like you were saying, Barry, like it's going to have just like a little

bit more grit to it.

And I think he is an act that's going to be incredible.

And then I'd say my last one would probably be knocked to his similar to Fisher.

It's a little bit more bassy and like 2015 like festival trappy.

But his energy and his like grab on the audience is going to be like extremely palpable.

Kyle, what do you got?

I'm a good opposite.

I'm not going to baby you.

I want you to hear those chain scratches and that rhythm sound that's creeps like, oh,

it's going to kill you.

I know I'll do the woods yet, but Sundeath also has happened out in the woods.

If you ever heard it, it's amazing.

Dead Row, Lydie and Hamdi.

I mean, that deep bass, you know, going to get you moving.

You're not going to be able to not move type thing.

Like it's going to grab you and it's going to shake you.

You know, Fisher, Dr. Fresh, of course, those are great.

Shy effects for some drum and bass.

You know, we finally have some good drum and bass on the farm.

Thank you.

Whoever playing that out for us, we needed that.

Yeah, man.

Sudden death.

Just get in there.

Just let it work you.

If you don't like it, you can walk away.

Somebody expand on the sudden death thing.

Why should I be scared to death of this?

All of a sudden your chest is going to explode, right?

Some death will the darker.

So here's his own festival that happens up the caverns.

He's had it for a couple of years now.

It's called Void or best of set called Void.

He comes out and if he does the void set, he's got antlers and like a very metal skull,

very, very metal, very dark, very just just evil.

You know, evil stuff.

You know, great.

I know I've told the story.

I was at camp probably 10, 10 or 11 and Bass Nectar started a 2 a.m. set and I think I

was asleep.

I know.

Of course you are.

I love them.

You know, I was asleep.

You're gonna have to cut all this out.

I wasn't asleep.

But the guy camping next to me who had been out, he was on whatever medication that he

was on, came running back on the phone talking to his girlfriend and said, I think this guy

is trying to kill me.

I think my heart is going to explode.

And it was Bass Nectar and you could hear it all over the place.

So Sudden Death is on the third line of Friday.

Is it fair to guess that's going to be a late night Friday other probably?

Is that kind of like the other for the is that the big artist for Friday from the from

EDM talking about from a macro look of as far as popularity for lack of a better way

of putting it?

Probably seven lines will probably close it out.

But yeah, I see that.

Yeah, he'll sudden death will probably be right after posty.

That'll be interesting genre switch.

But you think seven lines is going to be after Sudden Death?

He could be.

Seven lines is enormous.

Plus, I mean, I've seen them.

I just feel like the energy is going to be hard to go from sudden death into seven.

I think so as well.

I think they did seven lines of the sudden death.

It'd be fucking.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

Did we hit everybody with the Matthew?

Yeah.

What do you got?

Don't you have?

Yeah, we get.

I am going to go a bunch of the same thing.

Pretty lights sound like a broken record, but you talk about the in the field vibes

at three p.m.

I know it's going to be a late show, but that's going to bring those vibes similar to similar

to if last year you went to the Grizz chasing the golden hour set.

That's probably as close as I think you would get to like a band chill, you know, three

p.m. vibes.

I'm also going to go call on Hamdi and Laini.

Those are the two I'm most excited for.

I'm definitely into that deep bass side of things.

When we transition to the where the woods, same thing, a lot of the chase and status

take over drum and bass and some heavy bass on that one as well.

But the two that I haven't seen that probably be most excited for ISO XO and knock two.

Coming up from Atlanta was big into the trap scene when that was around and excited to

see people bringing that back now.

I haven't seen either of them and what they're doing, but it looks huge from what I've seen

at other festivals.

All right, we're going to do where in the woods.

But while I'm thinking of it, what are your best tips, Kyle, especially your about your

knees and dancing and I mean, and it's no joke.

It's no.

What are you what are the tips for first timer people that are coming because this kind of

music, especially it's a lot of dancing.

It's a lot of it's exhaustive.

It's an exhaustive experience.

Yeah.

So what are your tips?

Hydrate, right?

Rest up.

Yeah, don't hydrate.

Get those get some insoles for your shoes.

You know, make sure that your shoes are broken in.

Bring a couple different shoes because, you know, eventually you're going to want to always

switch them up to some little bit more comfortable or camp or something.

Go hike right now.

Start hiking right now.

But you know, I average about 11, 12 miles a day.

You know, I show up on Tuesday, leave Monday and you know, it's it's no joke.

It's just it's a marathon, not a sprint.

You know, that heat also gets you.

I know some people who take like, you know, with the airborne stuff like the boost your

immune system before you get there because your high side on Fridays, you know, there's

the bottom floors of real thing that does the job and your side of the stuff.

It starts to decrease your immune system a little bit.

Get some sun before you get there.

Do you not show up looking like me right now?

Like go go sit on the beach for a minute and get a little bit of a base tan.

It just just prepare for it.

I mean, don't don't try to do it all on Thursday and Friday night.

I see way too many people burn out.

And then Saturday, Sunday comes along there at camp.

You don't want to you want to really exchange.

You know, it's the happiest place on earth.

I know Disney World is now far is the happy place.

There's a nightmare.

Never I've never I've never been.

There's kids there.

Talk about that.

Russ Russ is the king of don't go hard.

Don't go hard.

He still does it all the time.

That's why I'm pointing at him.

Talk to him, Russ.

Don't do it.

Don't go hard.

But, you know, I'm going to go hard anyways.

So you're going to be there whether you're going hard or not.

So just have a good time.

I mean, so I mean, that's no joke.

I mean, Christian, especially, I mean, you're the one with the longest drive, you know,

eight hours.

You're excited.

You're you can't wait to get there.

You're naturally going to want to get out of the car and just, you know, pop a beer,

whatever and go hard that first day.

And you got to think about Sunday night, especially this year.

Yeah, especially this year.

It's a long, long slog.

Right.

I mean, I don't know how else to put it.

Yeah, Christian, how's your I mean, with an eight hour drive there, pretty excited.

But at what point does the dread hit in eight hours back?

Yeah, that's always the worst part.

We typically come down the weekend before, like in a cabin.

I come with a pretty large group.

We all pitch in, share a cab in the weekend before.

So it's only like an hour ish on that last day.

But waking up Monday morning, eight a.m., packing up, hitting the road eight hours.

It's really takes this.

Sounds like you got a pretty good plan, though.

I'll give you that.

I got I got 17 hours.

So I said, I would back.

It's only Tuesday.

We have a couple of people who are the mom and dad.

It's nice.

Yeah.

All right.

So we're in the woods.

That's a new thing.

And that's for people who don't know is Bonnaroo.

What we've been talking about is the other, which they converted to basically an EDM stage

inside of center, but in recent years, they put a lot of effort into curating events out

in the camping, the general camping area and where in the woods has become kind of its

own thing.

So who wants to describe that to people?

Tell who can tell people what that's about.

I mean, yeah, I mean, where the woods that used to be woods.

You know, I remember back watching people drive their hammocks in their back years ago to

like escape the heat.

And you know, that was all this cool stuff to be like, well, NASA, like you talk to the

astronauts and stuff like one year was the last year, I think, or something like that.

That was cool to get to watch.

It's a beautiful, it's beautiful.

It's very electric for us by me.

You know, they've got all the lights up in the trees and lights and all that.

Exactly.

I saw the lineup come out for it like that could be so festival.

They could sell a different ticket.

Where in the woods, I would still go to buy two tickets.

I mean, they're really killing.

They're killing us this year with chasing status on Wednesday.

And then, you know, it's going to be.

Yes.

Yes.

So Tyrone, speak to that then as far as you say, the festival within the festival, I have

been through the where in the woods on a golf cart before the festival started.

OK, so OK, like I know what it looks like in that kind of like, hey, look at this.

This is what this is going to be.

But I've never actually walked into it when things are going on.

Is it a I mean, does it ever sleep?

Does it ever slow down?

And is there a difficulty with capacity within?

I mean, there's no walls, but the trees almost act that way and you can kind of barricade.

Yeah, I mean, it gets pretty packed at work, especially in the late hours.

I don't really see a big problem with it.

I think it's I've seen more stages packed, so it's pretty it's pretty wide.

It's pretty spread out.

And so it's a comfortable place to be at most times.

Maybe I just yeah, there's pockets where you can be comfortable.

It can it can get pretty crowded.

And it definitely doesn't slow down at all.

Like I remember we saw Zed's dead in there after Zed's dead at the other.

And then we left to go back to camp to sleep and we could still hear Zed's dead just throwing

down like until the sun came up, basically.

So it's it's a wild time.

I think I have heard I know Daniel and Charlotte sort of talked about it on the real RU bus

that they add need to add more water stations there and maybe even I can see that for sure.

Yeah, just and some bathrooms.

Yeah, by like three in the morning before the morning.

It can be people lining up and peeing on the fence or on the trees.

It can become its own event where you just hang out there all day.

Right.

I mean, oh, for sure.

Especially for Wednesday, too, when that's the only thing that's really going on.

And with a pull like Chase's status this year, like it's going to be just as packed as it

was last Wednesday, if not more.

Like I remember last year's Wednesday, it was so crowded in there.

It was hard to find a little breathing room.

But the stage design is always great.

The sound is always great.

And you know, the environment in there is just like it's bottom room, but it's bottom

room adjacent, like it's something fresh, something new.

And it's a it's a great place to be.

Yeah, I've never been to the electric forest, but I've certainly seen enough of it to understand

what it looks like.

And that's in my head that does seem what it feels like.

And it it feel it does kind of to me feel like this thing, this mystical place, right?

This this this part of my I mean, I've walked every inch of that farm, whether it was in

October or in June.

And so I actually like Lewis and Clark style know the lay of the land, but I've never actually

been in there.

So it's it's almost this mystical like fantasy land that I am that fascinates me more every

time I see it.

And it was unused space.

Bonnaroo, who's done a good job of realizing, hey, we're wasting space.

We lost some of the greatest camping area in the world because they realized why the

hell we giving it to you guys.

Yeah, we talked about it.

Yeah.

So yeah, just it looks like a fabulous place.

And with pretty lights being on Thursday now, that headline set, I mean, we've officially

turned this thing into a five day festival.

I mean, there's Thursday's been there for 15 years, but it was just kind of a jumpstart

day.

It really feels like and that feel like to me gives it bang for its buck with what you're

talking about.

And I think you were talking about Wednesday being a huge where in the woods day.

I mean, if anybody just wants to speak any more to that, go ahead or we move along.

Just really is impressive.

It looks cool to me.

Yeah.

And just sort of to add on to that.

And it sort of goes back to the whole prep and to Kyle's point about start hiking now.

It's a 700 acre farm.

You got some of you guys that have never been your you know, you're starting to look at

the lineup thinking I'm going to go to this and then that and then this and then that.

It's not like a quick turnaround.

You know, it's a long walk from where in the woods to the what stage to maybe wherever

your camping is.

So it's there's a lot to think about in this idea that you're going to see everything that's

on your list.

It isn't going to happen.

Trust me, especially that was giving my Tuesday.

That was going to be my tip, just don't be afraid to sacrifice performance that you set

thought you really wanted to see.

You know, you know, if you're super hungover, tired at three p.m. in the morning in the

afternoon, it's OK to chill back camp, you know, take it easy until six o'clock, you

know, or, you know, like you said, you don't want to be walking all around the farm.

That is something we've all had to learn.

Every single one of us, no matter what age it is, you get there and you've got to learn.

I got to start axing some of these off, man.

It ain't going to work.

It ain't going to work.

And that's OK.

It's OK.

This thing's not you're not supposed to be able to see everything.

You know, that's not how this is set up.

So that's that's that.

And in some ways, it's almost you got to kind of blame the organizers.

I mean, the where in the woods is, as we're saying, has become its own thing.

You know, do you want to just hang out there because it's a great vibe or do you want to

try to make the half mile walk or mile walk to to see this other artist?

And so, you know, they're even struggling.

I know from talking with some of the organizers, you know, have we have we hurt ourselves by

creating this outer experience where people aren't going into center room?

You know what I mean?

We paid all this money for a headliner and people are hanging out in the woods, which

is a great problem.

It's not a complaint.

It's just.

Yeah, no, I understand where you're where you're coming from, and I'm very but I think

if it increases the ticket sales of the number they want, you can hang out in your backseat

of your car the whole weekend.

Whatever you want.

They care.

So I think it's a good friend has.

Yeah, I have done that.

I listen to the shins more in my car than I did when they were on stage.

All right.

While we're talking about where in the woods, I didn't say one more thing.

They need to add on that.

As far as I know, there's one way and one way out.

I mean, the little instance there and late at night near so they're going to shuffle

behind people.

And, you know, I've got a big seat.

I'm kicking people and people are on whatever they're all on at the time.

They get a little hairy trying to get out of there.

But all of a sudden you're out.

There's the little buggies going back and forth.

It's hard to get hit.

And I go, man, what we just left the way go.

Well, that was crazy.

So barter, you guys, we had one more little tight exit off the side or something.

So just with that traffic.

But other than that, it's beautiful.

Yeah, that's not shocking to hear, especially with the evolution of it.

And I'm sure they're looking at it.

But there's been things if this goes back forever, Barry and talk.

I don't know.

They might have had it fixed by the time you got there, Taco.

But the from crossing over from what to which when you had the drainage issue and now they

have the big bridge.

It's like, it's like, of course, this has been here the whole time.

Surely.

No, for about 12, 13 years, that wasn't there.

And you had to swim across the damn channel to get to the sludge to get there.

It's terrible.

But you know, they know that there's issues and then we've had the entrance issues the

years that there was a capacity issue.

But but yeah, I could see how that could be a thing.

How much Kyle, I'll start with you.

How much Edie purely EDM music will you see this year?

Percentage wise, I'd say he's about 50 50.

I mean, you still got asked like Krogman showing up.

I've been excited.

I said it wrong.

Kogman fans.

I'm sorry.

It's like, you know, but, you know, I'll.

I'll give whoever to see that Christian.

I'll give Hamdi whoever doesn't matter how much.

Yes.

I think mine will probably be 50 50 as well.

There's a lot of great bands this year, a lot of great singers.

But they have some really nice undercards like Hamdi for sure.

Lonnie for sure.

I so Dr. Fresh is like all the way at my top.

It'll probably be a 50 50 split, maybe even, you know, leaning a little bit more because

I'll be out till X in the morning at we're in the woods.

So we'll see how it goes.

How about you, Tyrone?

Same 50 50.

Like Kyle said, I'm really excited for a Krungelman or however you pronounce it.

I've been wanting to see them since 2020 before our hearts were broken.

But how about you, Matthew?

Sound like broken record again.

Pretty much the same.

There's going to be certain days once again where it's going to be a lot heavier, like

especially if I come up on that Wednesday, partially because that's all that's going

to be.

And I'll definitely influence the percentage, but there's going to be other days like last

year.

Pretty sure Sunday I didn't see any dance music.

So I'm sure there'll be days like that as well again.

Well, let me let me real quick.

Just piggyback right off that and go right back around the panel again.

A couple of bands furthest away from medium that you guys are excited about seeing on

this festival.

Two, three, four, however many you want to announce.

Christian will start with you.

Just other other things that jump off the page that you're like excited about that are

that are nowhere near the EDM orbit.

Yeah.

Gary Clark Jr. is going to rock and roll over here.

Yeah, you got to you got to see him.

I'm excited for Dominic Fike.

I'm excited for Casey Elephant Parcels.

Brittany Howard is going to be incredible.

And then the little Ash Nico, Joey Badass.

Those are all weirdo.

He's not weird.

He still likes straight music.

Kyle, go ahead.

Just better than other cat.

I mean, Thundercat.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Thundercat.

I'm going to list here.

Madhu Vakhdar is going to be super cool.

Chili Peppers is a classic.

I've seen a couple of times.

I've bought her already.

Bad, bad, not good.

So many here.

Joey Badass would be awesome to see.

Irreversible Establishments like a lot of this.

I like stuff you can still groove to, you know, like so it's just got that bass line

in it, even if it's a jam band or whatever, like I'm there.

So Madhu.

Going off jam bands, Green Sky, Bluegrass, Eggie.

I'm a big hip hop fan too.

So excited for Post and Joey Badass.

Like you said, I saw Megan Stallion at Okeechobee two years ago and honestly one of the most

fun I've had at a random set.

So we'd be super excited to see her again, especially if she's going right into or right

before Friday.

Again, I think that would just be a massive energy pop for two sets in a row on Sunday.

Green Sky, Bluegrass sounds like where everybody would take a nap that day after the night

at Wild in the Woods or where in the woods, excuse me.

And I'm a Green Sky, Bluegrass fan.

Tyrone, what about you, man?

Definitely Jay Rad, Krungaben, I would say T-Pain, Thundercat.

I'm a huge Mac Miller fan, so I'm hoping I get some Mac with the Thundercat.

What's his name?

Baccar?

He's like this UK hip hop kind of guy and I'm really excited for him.

And Goth Babe and Milky Chance.

Well Jay Rad, shoot me a text, I'll come meet you over there with some Joe Russo.

Hell yeah, let's do it.

So again, to brag on Brian and Steven, the guys who booked this festival, they do a really

good job of curating the lanes, don't they?

I mean it's not just, you know, you got the headliner but what are you going to do the

rest of the days?

And that's what I'm hearing from you guys is there's plenty of different things to go

see all day every day, right?

I mean that's what makes, to me that's what makes this festival music wise so good is

they do a good job of trying to figure out the lanes.

I think they also do a good job of pacing, you know, like a lot of the house stuff is

usually in the afternoon, they're not going to put a sudden desk in the middle of the

afternoon, like this would be crazy, it would kill you.

They do a good job of like pacing, you know, like making sure you don't burn out out there

in the middle of the day.

It's cool to see them actually put that thought into it every year.

There's a lot of thought that goes into it.

All right, what else?

One thing I wanted to, I made a note here I wanted to go back to was I know that this

has been talked about, we might have even mentioned on the show, I can't remember, but

I know I've seen it on threads here and there.

It was mentioned earlier, the special guest, what the special guest performance, what have

I know Skrillex something's Bob, whatever.

Where where is this going?

Where is this these threads taking?

Where are people speculating on?

Are we are we talking a real expectation of an artist that's going to be like, whoa, or

just a little a little something?

What do you all think?

What are you all seeing?

And what are you thinking?

I hope it is.

I know that they drop Jason Stathis on Wednesday.

That's such a huge get for such a rising rising star right now.

He's everywhere he can be.

And he they just performed at the British Music Awards, the biggest televised UK thing

there.

It's becoming more and more mainstream.

And if they drop him, I'm curious who they're holding out on for Sunday.

I would love a Fred again back to back for that.

That's my dream.

But I think that's why I have no idea.

I think that's what it's going to be.

I feel like if it was going to be someone else not on the lineup, expand on what that is,

they don't want to expand on that a little bit.

Say it again.

I hope it's going to be who I think it's going to be for to and Fred again.

I was going to say, like all these people are saying, oh, it's going to be Skrillex.

But I mean, I think they would announce that right now.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

And I really don't see them pulling out anybody crazy without announcing them on the lineup

that isn't already on the lineup.

But I mean, I think people are really happy if it is Fred again and Fortet.

I was thinking maybe also could be a ISO ISO XO back to back knock to.

But I'm pretty sure one of them has another festival booking on Sunday.

So I'm not sure if that would align.

But I just didn't know if if the if the expectations could grow so much that the letdown that just

and that's just annoys people.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I never like that really, this whole, you know, later.

Like, OK, I was getting ready to say, yeah, I've been around long enough and done enough.

You've been on radio or things like that.

It doesn't usually it almost never huge announcement.

OK, surprise guest.

Sure thing.

It's it's animals.

It's Beyonce.

No, it's not.

It's somebody's day.

And last year, it was canceled with the rain anyway.

So all right, guys, thank you so much for your time.

I'll ask each of the four of you, is there something that you wanted to make sure I'm

I'm sure was you were, you know, getting ready?

Don't let me forget to say whatever.

Is there anything we didn't ask you about that you want to make sure you you said?

I would just say as far as base for where in the woods, I would definitely check out

Kill Safari.

It's a bro safari big trap guy back in like early 2010s back to back.

Kill the Noise, which is going to be insane.

And Alley Cat, she's a rising bass producer.

She's kind of like Ella's Dream kind of vibe.

And yeah, I would check out those two artists if you can.

We're in the woods and the daily frequency, right?

The daily frequency is your.

Yeah, yeah.

The daily frequency website at Instagram, the daily frequency, Twitter daily frequency.

Well, thank you guys for being part of this put together panel.

As we've said, Russ and Brian and I, this is not our our music, not our jam, but we

understand it's important to this festival and to to fans.

And so we wanted to talk to to, you know, people who know what they're talking about.

So we don't sound too much like the old guys telling kids to get off their lawn type of

thing.

All right.

So there you go.

What do you think?

Are we done with EDM for a little while?

Can we talk about some other stuff or I'm good with that?

I I've learned a lot.

You know, the last couple of two of the last three shows we've done from this, it wasn't

for not, you know.

I don't know that I like it more or less, but I'm now interested in this Fisher.

I don't know if the whole Fisher was.

Yeah, we've we've come away with a handful of names, recommendations to check out some

stuff.

Disco lines is how it sounds to me.

This is kind of what we learned portion.

It sounds to me like house EDM.

That's me.

That's what it sounds like to me.

That's what's going to grab my attention the most, because from what I can tell, it grabs

from the bigger generalized pot.

And I think that's that's why I guess that that might be what Pretty Lights is.

Apparently he's he's so he transcends so much now.

He's such a star.

I mean, Pretty Lights is just a monster.

So it's probably a bad example to try to bring up when you're when you're talking.

It's like, hey, let's talk about rock and roll.

What do you think about Stones?

Like it's probably not the best one to start with.

But it does sound like house music.

House EDM is my jam, if I were to guess.

Yeah, that and we're probably going to have to wander out into where in the woods.

Yeah, I think it's doing a disservice to ourselves to not have at least a walk through.

I've been out and seen a little of what's going on and it's cool.

Yeah, I've seen the Mr. T hit.

You know, I know.

But it was on the ground getting ready to be put up for the next day.

Yeah.

All right.

So I've know we're probably we are going to pick a winner in the next and we will announce

and hopefully have on as a guest the winner of our ticket giveaway.

Next week is Easter.

I don't know that we're going to do a show on Easter.

What do you guys probably take that off?

Yeah, that's fine.

We'll figure out something.

But we definitely got a winner coming soon.

So don't go too far away because somebody's going to Bonnaroo and we're going to we're going

to pick a winner to two passes with camping.

Yeah.

Thank you to everybody who's joined in on that.

That's been a lot of that's been a lot of fun.

Thank you.

And a lot of good stuff.

Yeah.

I mean, there's still time if you want to.

Yeah, it ain't over yet.

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Make your recommendations on who to list who we should check out on this year's Bonnaroo

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We're not asking for who should be on the lineup.

We want to know who is on the line that we should check.

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Go right ahead.

You know, actually, you know what?

That's sometimes the stuff that makes the show.

So have fun.

Right.

Have fun.

Make us laugh or piss us off.

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Anything else, guys?

Any other news?

I think that covers it for now.

But we got other episodes in the works.

I don't know if you want to tease anything that we've got planned or maybe planned.

Yeah, the founder of Sobrew is coming up here in the next couple of-ish weeks.

That's still the exact dates being nailed down.

That'll be an April show.

Looking forward to if you've been to any amount of festivals or rock concerts.

Well, from my vantage point, rock concerts, but probably more than just that.

Sobrew is usually there promoting Sober festival and concert attendance.

And so that's- we'll get into all that soon enough anyway.

Yeah, you can speak to that especially, but apparently you can go to a festival sober.

Who knew?

What a concept.

Who knew this?

Yeah.

It took me 22 years to figure that out.

And you're not alone and I'm proud of you.

We noticed that last year.

It's fun to laugh and joke at and it's also super serious.

That's what makes it a fun- it's an important, interesting conversation to have.

I don't mean to make light of it.

Fun might be the wrong word, but it is- I enjoy talking about it, we'll put it that

way because it's an eye-opening thing and they've been doing this for about the length

of the entire festival.

Not quite, but pretty close.

So we'll be doing that here in the next few weeks.

And one more every year, there's more people doing it.

You and I noticed, right, Russ?

How many times do we have people walk up, not just in our camp, but people walk up and

say, I can't believe all the people that I'm running into that are talking about doing

this festival sober.

So that's going to be an interesting show.

I look forward to that and we're trying to line up some guests.

We need to start having some musical guests, some bands that are on the lineup.

We'll be doing that as well, but good show.

This was a lot of fun.

It was fun.

All right.

See you guys.