This week, Brad Steiner and Barry Courter dive into the past, present and future of Bonnaroo with the kingmaker himself, Ashley Capps from AC Entertainment. Ashley breaks down the evolution of the festival and gives us some news about this years Bonnaroo....AND details on our special guest for next week's podcast.
Guest: Ashley Capps
Hey, hey, hey, hey. How y'all feeling? Journey through the stories that define the artists playing by the rules. Who are they? What are they? What will you see? The what? Which bands? This year, that matter. With Brad Steiner and Barry Courter. When you think of iconic Bonnaroo sets 2012, Radiohead on the what stage has gotta be one of the great ones of all time. The what podcast. Sorry myself, Brad Steiner from WDOD Radio Hits 96 in Chattanooga, Tennessee, and Barry Courter from the Chattanooga Times Free Press. Welcome again, Barry Courter. Week three, episode three of this. Isn't that great? Yeah, what a great way to start. I'm glad we picked that. took me back to that 2012 show and that line when I'm king because I remember another media type trying to make a big deal that Tom York had looked up into the brand new at that time VIP section when he sang that line like when I'm king I'll get rid of you guys right away yeah yeah yeah yeah I just remember that I didn't know if he was reading too much into it probably probably he probably was Tom York doesn't do things that are not perfectly suited for each individual moment so it's very possible or ill-considered and speaking of the day I'm king when I'm king we got the kingmaker today we do how exciting is that we reached out to the man himself Ashley Capps one of the co-founders and he spent some time with us on the phone talking about the evolution of the festival which again I think is a great reason to have started with Radiohead the best part of Ashley you know you can have an opinion about where the festival has been and where it is now and how it is moved and maybe left some people behind you can talk about the the new ownership you can talk about the changes but boy the thing that's really refreshing to me is that Ashley Capps still is a true blue music fan and he's at all the shows he is still dedicated to the product and he is ingrained in it just as much as we are I feel as though his sweat is our sweat yeah and that's the best part of the entire festival the people that are putting it on really really do care that's absolutely right yeah when you see him he's in his shorts and t-shirt and Chaka's like everybody else with his list and he's walking from states to stage he's not a big VIP four-wheeler or whatever mowing people over he's walking from here to there just like you and me today not only we're gonna go through Bonnaroo 2018 and Bonnaroo's of past with Ashley Capps we're also gonna fill you in on some of the changes that the festival has gone through this year it's unbelievable from my first year of being a Bonnaroo how just camping has changed it was a free-for-all out there 15 years ago but now this year I look at some of the amenities that are out there it's worth every dollar I spend on the camping the camping price at this point is really really well done out there yeah I made a comment the first week because jokingly that you know you're there there's not much else to do so you might as well go see the music and and I thought about it later and that's just wrong there's plenty to do there yeah I guess in my head when I said that we've done it enough that you know we've seen some of the things at Santa Roo but every year is something different and and and to go back to talk about actually a little bit I've had the opportunity to talk to him since the beginning each year that's awesome and he has been consistent from day one that it was going to be an evolution you know they took a lot of flat years three and four and five that it was no longer a jam festival it was never in his mind and he said so supposed to be that every year the reason they went with that particular lineup was that they needed people who would camp in what you just described right the harshness of it they didn't have VIP then and boy they do now yeah so not only we're gonna go through that with Ashley also tell you how you can win Bonnaroo passes with those very camping passes added on to it a little bit later on in the podcast so let's get to it Ashley caps the subject of today's the what podcast first of all thank you but I want to take you back a couple of years to actually forecastle I don't know if you remember but I introduced you to Brad in the bourbon tent oh I'm sure this I'm sure this is gonna go well and first of all and you expect me to remember this no but I'm gonna ask Brad what you just said I'm gonna ask Brad if he remembers what he said to you and then I'm gonna say your reaction was to look at me like do we need to call security which is a which is a perfectly legit I have no earthly clue okay well it's important it's relevant you you said to him you you know hello and then you thanked him you thanked Ashley for saving music I actually believe in this yes yes I actually I've had this argument with people before I think that that Bonnaroo and and the festival culture saved not only live music but it transformed the entire industry Wow yeah that's quite a thought it's it's a little over the top but but I don't just for a living I don't disagree with him because I remember and this is where I wanted to start with you actually is I remember thinking after about the second one that this is why I got into writing about music in the first place it was a it re-energized me and I think that was Brad's point do you hear that ever from anywhere else Ashley and what are your thoughts on that I think I hear that in you know expressed in different ways and I've never thought of it in quite those terms but I think in some ways it's true for me as well because in those days I think we were you know I you know as a promoter as a concert promoter and as a music fan I think it was a moment where we were kind of looking for a way forward you know and and trying to break the mold of the standard concert presentation that was going on and looking for new ways to engage people socially and also to excite people I think by by presenting the music in a really exciting way and in a context that connected it to a greater whole and so I think all of those things were we would never have stated it that way at the time you know this is kind of something you think about in retrospect you know I think it's an interesting thought because it did transform people's experience of music in certain ways at least here in the United States obviously that that culture had been alive and well in Europe for decades which is one of the things that encouraged us and inspired us to jump into the festival business here in the United States even though here in this country the you know the history of especially rock festivals was a checkered to say the least there were none really that had sustained themselves year after year after year in a single location and actually established themselves as a you know an annual must-see experience I would say absolutely that and also you know just remember 2002 to 2001 music that was popular was very produced heavily produced studio thing so live music festivals were not to be seen not to be found and even live music was sort of in a in a weird place so it really was transformative so well I guess the reason I said that is because I don't think that the industry knew what to do and how to make money the CD was basically the only way that you could make a lot of money really quickly and other than big tours what was really making money those days I mean small club shows how good were the the small club shows here in in Chattanooga or up the road Knoxville and were they making a lot of money for the artists and were they getting exposed to a really really tough business then and were they getting exposed to enough people part of the transformation is that and I don't know if you can directly trace this to festivals but I think I could at least make the argument that festivals have introduced people to a tremendous amount of new music and an artist who you know some play clubs some play theaters some play auditoriums some play coliseums some play arenas and I think it's in many ways invited people into different levels of music experience as well so these days you certainly see attendance at clubs and and other smaller venues you know probably at a peak think about it from the artist perspective you imagine a world where if Bonnaroo doesn't exist or a festival doesn't exist does a Portugal the man exist you know Portugal the man started a tiny stage of Bonnaroo this is ten years ago when they were barely getting booked and you know they moved their way up and up and up and all the sudden they have a number one single on top 40 radio this year how does that happen if they don't get a shot in front of a very diverse crowd a very engaged crowd at a festival like Bonnaroo well those kinds of success stories are for me one of the great pleasures of you know the you know what we've seen emerge from festivals I mean there are a number of bands that we've had the opportunity to grow with and that have had the opportunity to grow with us and it's you know I don't think you can simply attribute it to the festival environment but it can often give a band especially a great live band that has that ability to connect with an audience instantaneously regardless of that audiences familiarity previously with the music you know if you've got an artist who can do that then festivals offer an unprecedented opportunity to launch your career actually last week on on the show we talked about just that very thing and for us we're looking at 13 a piece I think we've been to when the line out came out two years ago to be honest it wasn't or even last year it was sort of you know there weren't all the the ones on our list maybe our must-see list but then we we realized we're gonna go and we're gonna discover a whole bunch of new music and that's a fun thing and I can tell you many years coming home with a whole handful of brand-new favorite acts you know big and small so that's kind of what you were just talking about I mean I didn't know who my morning jacket was until Bonnaroo several years ago on and on Bahamas Portugal the man so that is a big part of that what you're describing to me is one of the great characteristics of any terrific festival you know any really well programmed and curated festival experience because you know who's kidding who we all tend to gravitate towards the familiar at least initially so you know you look at you know what do I know there and I think we all probably tend to to some degree or another approach of festival experience with a list you know I got it first I'm going here then I'm going over there and I can't miss this over here but you know the beautiful thing that happens is you meet people and you get distracted friends your new friends maybe your old friends encourage you that you know instead of going see that man that you saw last year why don't you go over here and see these guys are gonna blow your mind yeah and and so you end up going veering off of your path so to speak and then you know through that I think often people come away with the highlight of the weekend being something that they had never heard of before that weekend that's an incredible opportunity to be able to discover something new and to tap into your own passion in that way you said that you say you have a point of pride when you see artists that grow along with the festival do you have one in particular that that sort of stands out or a couple of you know my morning jackets the classic example you know I I mean what watching that band grow year after year after year and there were so ingrained in the whole ethos of the festival you know almost from the beginning you know I would say they're the ultimate example but there are other smaller examples too you know sometimes bands almost grew too fast you know like you know I remember you know I've got a couple of you know semi embarrassing stories you know if anybody knew what Mumford and Sons was supposed to do the first year they came to the festival we ended up changing the plan a little bit as they were taking off but you know and also Phoenix the first right you know I think Phoenix the first year was supposed to be like one of the cafe acts wow and you know and and so you know sometimes the you know you you you have the opportunity to see this growth you know before your very eyes and you also realize that it's not just about your festival but it's about the the whole environment that's out there that enables music fans to tap in and weigh in and help to grow somebody's career because it's all about the fans when it all comes down to it I love hearing you you talk about making your list because one of the reasons we wanted to talk to you a couple reasons obviously you're in what your actual and job you also are a fan I see you there every day and your you know your chakras and your your list your program whatever and you're heading out to see a show well apparently not if there's a bourbon tent that was forecast he was on his way but what I wanted to ask you about the bourbon tent forecastle was one of the headliner yeah it's awesome what there's a couple of things that the I saw you last year at Angelique Kijo probably I don't know a couple hundred people but the McCartney thing you and I spoke the next day for quite a while and that was such a moment for so many people but I remember hearing from you that that was as a fan just like for me that was a huge moment those types of things that can happen at Bonnaroo the big and the small absolutely you know to me scale is not necessarily a factor it's that ability of an artist to connect with you as a member of the audience you know Angelique Kijo is an amazing performer and that was a you know I had been hoping to present her at Bonnaroo for years so it was wonderful to be able to finally do it and that was such a great show at the same time even though he was in front of a huge audience Paul McCartney had this just extraordinary gift to make you feel like he was just playing for you and your friends I mean there was such a you know in spite of the scale of the whole experience it was it was very intimate you know in a way that it kind of sounds crazy but you know he just I mean obviously he's Paul McCartney you know and but his gift for being able to communicate so directly or make it feel so direct to everybody in that audience was extraordinary the ability to command 80,000 people or 80 to 100,000 people in silence is probably the hardest thing in the world to do and that show in and of itself is maybe the greatest musical highlight of my life and I am this is coming from a guy that was never really a Beatles fan but to stand behind two people who were dating right before Live and Let Die he drops to one knee and asked her to marry her and then literally the next song is Live and Let Die fireworks it's like he called Ashley Caps himself and then planned this show but from from the headliners to the smaller cafe acts the the common theme has always been for Bonnaroo music first the art matters and that art takes a lot of twists and turns it takes a lot of left-right turns and then finds itself into it probably a genre that you've never expected to find yourself in probably 15 years ago in EDM and creating an entire wing of the festival just for EDM huh you know the most exciting thing to me about the music business in general is how it continually reinvents itself you know while people as individuals often tend to stick with music that they grew up with in a certain period in their life where they have certain life-changing experiences whether it's when they you know meet their first lover or their wife or you know first leave home you know all of the different things that these rites of passage that we all experience as as humans I think music itself is continually changing in order to say to stay fresh and relevant and with our finger on the pulse we have to be open to that change as programmers and and that to me is you know it's what keeps me excited about coming to work every morning you know if you were doing the same thing over and over and over and over again it would get to be a little old introducing new musical trends into the mix is not only smart from a you know business perspective but it's also what music is all about what was the discussion leading up to that because you guys didn't just say hey this EDM thing seems to be picking up some steam we ought to throw you know a few acts on a stage you guys totally reconfigured an entire portion of the the campus there the you know the center room well we did but we didn't really do it overnight we've always had electronica as an element of the festival for you know almost since the very beginning if not since the very beginning you know and so it's always been woven in and I think you know a couple of years ago we just made the decision let's you know let's go there you know this is obviously something that you know the younger audiences are really embracing in a huge way let's embrace it also and and because like many great musical experiences the environment is a really important part of that the experience of that music that evolution will be on display this year at Bonnaroo this is the what podcasts with myself Brad Steiner and Barry Courter Bonnaroo vets this is a podcast by Bonnaroo vians for Bonnaroo vians the what podcast calm it's also a place that you can get Bonnaroo tickets we'll tell you how to get Bonnaroo tickets here in a second but first let's go through some of the changes at the festival this year when I started getting the emails this week Barry I said looking back and reading some of the changes I'm is astounding it really is bizarre going from what I saw when I was camping from the first year to now I think it's a different world I mean I'll never forget the first year that I camped and I don't like telling the story very often except I like telling the story all the time it was very early it was like year two and I was camping in maybe the last pod that was existed in the history of Bonnaroo it was so far away at the time if you took the wrong turn you're gone I mean you could walk and walk and walk and not know where in the hell you were going and we took the wrong turn one day and at the time they were letting like everybody camp just at a free-for-all so I remember there was something on fire then there was a guy peeing off the top of his van and then a girl who was butt naked ran straight up to me grabbed me by the throat and slithered down my body yeah that was the free-for-all that was camping 15 years ago it's a tad different now and that was before breakfast right yeah it's like three four o'clock in the morning now you can do karaoke with tea pain yeah you know I'm a little I'm a little upset that 15 years ago I didn't get karaoke with tea pain my son had a similar I asked him the year he went I said what's the weirdest thing you saw and he watched a girl strip naked and climb a man as if he were a tree and he just he would like move his elbow and knock her off and she'd go to the ground and then climb me again hey that was my mom yeah right right those two were married and when we think about it the field and that's all it was it was a seven-hacket 700 acre farm that you pitched a tent or a plastic tarp yeah or a bungee cord or whatever no trees no shade nothing whatever you brought and I don't know about you but I was not nearly the experienced camper oh no oh no my first year I showed up and had a an umbrella in the truck accidentally I had I did think to bring two sawhorses and a small piece of plywood that ended up being a table and I strapped the umbrella to that table with two bungee cords and as the Sun rotated we moved the umbrella because that was the only shade we had it was just survival yeah it was Lord of the Flies point year after that I remember being in my tent as the storm came through thinking I hope this rubber air mattress keeps me from being electrocuted because if not I'm dead yeah there was nowhere to go right so yeah now I mean I remember writing stories the years they planted grass and a couple of trees as if this was the greatest thing man invention of mankind I told you planted grass the year the the dust year was the worst experience ever I remember being in the in the there's a set there used to be a set of bleachers there and if next to the witch stage I was in that bleacher thing and standing on the top level the bleachers and I just looked back at just brown soot covering everything and then the next year they over seeded and planted grass and you walk through on Thursday I could have rolled around naked yeah it was phenomenal and it's still the grass is still there depending on Sunday right which is why it's so important which is why I brought it up but that dust bowl year was a Saturday evening we had gone back myself and actually why he was our photographer we'd gone back like most people did to sort of eat and get cleaned up for the parade and we went walking into center roof for the parade and I thought wow this is big time they've released smoke bombs this parade this is high-tech and I thought no that's not smoke it was tough then I was convinced I had Legionnaires disease boy the things you can convince yourself whatever I've snorted was not healthy but now I mean so they put a lot of effort as you know in the last couple years into the VIP areas adding the yurts right tents that you could rent right they're ready to go for you when you show up this year they put a lot of effort apparently into those campgrounds the general camping is the Grove looks beautiful the Grove and they're they're having artists go out there to perform throughout the days at different times there's always been art projects in there that you there's hard to explain but like just a giant field of yarn that everyone could change as it goes you know it might look one way on your way into center and it looks completely different later that night right depending on what sort of recreation you've been doing it can look completely different and that's the whole idea but now they've added they've got more vendors out there the food alone is phenomenal I can't I can't remember you travel around the country I don't know if I get better food options than I get a boderu that's a fact poutine I'd never heard I miss that poutine truck where has it gone I don't know where's that poutine truck gone where you guys kept talking about this poutine poutine I thought it was a euphemism for something rude I was too embarrassed to ask but but man if you've never had poutine as soon as I took a bite I said that's the greatest hangover we had four in the history we had four things of it in two days it's really good the the cheap chili dogs right the corn dogs well we call them cray musty's very musty yeah cuz you gotta get a crazy amount of mustard on and get them cray musty's and of course the spicy pie yeah is there anything better than the world the spicy pie it's really good what else is in the campgrounds this year what else am I seeing back they've added Wi-Fi which they always say that but there's so many people and everybody's on their phone trying to send a video to their friends so that's a joke right so here's they do have it I'm permanent showers as somebody as somebody who has to work this event every year I like that the Wi-Fi doesn't work because I can just tell everybody at work I just couldn't get a signal it's true I was gonna keep that part of secret they've increased the trading post the bathrooms I mean that's always been an issue showers water stations you know for filling up your water jugs they've added increased the garage they call it with that big giant yeah car that drives around yeah that garage is actually really really cool yeah again shade becomes such a premium you remember the first year that it had that one pole in the manner of the middle of the field and it cast a shadow about 45 feet long and about six inches wide yeah people sat in the shadow and moved like a clock dial yeah and now they've added all kinds of the not just trees but those canvas those colored canvas type right things that they have a name let's do this let's give away some Bonnaroo tickets let's qualify you for Bonnaroo tickets all you guys do is go to the what podcast calm and down at the bottom where says contact slash win click on that tell us a fun camping story from you maybe years past that you've seen a Bonnaroo maybe something that happened in the grove maybe something happened in the garage give us what you've seen a Bonnaroo and we'll put you in for a Bonnaroo tickets the what podcast calm but back to Ashley caps the subject of this week's the what podcast you've got to be really proud that's gotta be one of the big points of pride Ashley that you can see everything around you and where it started the evolution of the camp grounds the evolution of the festival grounds that's got to be a major major sense of pride for you well it is and you know it's watching the evolution of the entire thing is it's been an amazing experience you know I often tell people like if if we had started thinking we had to be at a certain point you would never start because it would be impossible but you know you know if you evolve if you're constantly if you just engage in the process and you're constantly asking yourself really one question is how can we make this more amazing next year than it was this year you know how you know what else can we do whether that's from a musical perspective or from an experiential perspective and experiential can mean you know the types of vendors the types of food the visual design the lighting the decor and but also the amenities you know and and you know showers and bathrooms running water that's huge for a lot of us and and so all of that also it builds you know it's like a foundation and you're continually building on the foundation that happened the year before so that you know you can never rest on your laurels it's always you know how can we keep this fresh and exciting and new and you know and you know do everything that we possibly can to make it an unforgettable experience for everybody that comes so that's that's been the major motivating principle that we've had from the very beginning and I think it's one of the things that's helped to set the festival apart over the years I remember you telling me probably a year two or three that you wanted this to become like the European festivals where it became a rite of passage in an annual thing and to be honest I don't think I quite understood at the time but it's amazing to me now to go and talk to people who you know this is their 15th year or 10th year they started their senior year of high school or they met their now wife or they're bringing their kids back and even the bands I've run into bands that you know saw it in high school and dreamt of one day so it's it's amazing to me that you guys had that vision and and have made it happen and I don't I don't know that people understand that I think for some reason there's that vision in a lot of people's head that it's still that first year the ones that have not been you know it either needs to be the first year or my exact playlist right now yeah exactly I hardly know where to begin but you know you know I now know so many stories and you know I see bands who played the festival 15 years ago come back to play the festival with their kids and their family in tow you know every you know sometimes you know if they can and it's rare but it happens an artist will camp out with his family for the whole weekend and and just make a weekend of it instead of just a stop on a tour I know of bands who have played the festival who the members of the band melt met at Bonnaroo before they had ever formed a band they were inspired by Bonnaroo to form their own band and they did and it hit and they've played the festival who is that who's that Ashley MGMT was one no kidding yeah those guys met at Bonnaroo and that's where they decided to form a band and they did I didn't know that story and then you know you certainly have parents who sometimes couples who meet at the festival get married have kids and now they're coming to the festival with the kids and it's getting to the point where the kids get ready to come to festival on their own and and that's something that you know it's inspiring to watch and it's something that you see I mean in my head the the iconic festival in this regard is Glastonbury and I think that you know that's certainly where you see multi-generations from you know very very young kids to you know grandparents you know and you know everybody you know completely enthralled by the entire experience and I think that's that's a really beautiful thing I get really obsessed with thinking about the technicalities of this festival you know I get really really in the weeds sometimes at camp if you ever stopped by camp nut butter me and Barry will be talking about the infrastructure we'll be talking about running water we'll be talking about electricity I get really into that sort of stuff but then I also start thinking about especially on the off times when I'm not at the festival and this is even goes before live nation took over when you guys are building a list of artists that you want to fill the blanks in who's in that room who are the people that are compiling the experience that 80 to 100,000 people are going to see you have an EDM stage now do you have an EDM guy that you turn to like that guy knows his EDM like do you have like an indie alt guy that you like that guy knows exactly he's the one that showed me Japanese breakfast you know do you have those kind of guys how big is that experience inside the room well you know as far as the actual bandbooking experience you know there's at least half a dozen or more that contribute to that process and we all have our passions and our interests and our specialties if you will so so you know it's a it's a very lively conversation and it's been that way from the beginning we sometimes fight we sometimes agree to disagree but we also learn from one another it can be one of the most maddening parts of planning the festival to be perfectly honest but it's also one of the most rewarding and you know I seldom leave one of those conversations and they they're intense you know they can be once or twice a week and you know for six months leading up to the festival and I seldom leave those meetings without a playlist of thing of new artists that I want to check out because you know everybody in that room loves music and they love what they did and they also love discovery they love introducing new acts that they've discovered into the conversation and ultimately into the program sometimes that takes you know a year or two or three or four years because there's so many factors that come to play and what in what the lineup ultimately looks like you know we we don't get to sit there and just choose right you know it depends on whether an artist is touring you know whether they're in the United States or maybe touring elsewhere in the world there are just so many different factors that can that come together that you know ultimately determine what the final lineup actually is so there's on every level a tremendous amount of give and take continually and you take it seriously too because it's a room full of tastemakers that's for sure. I can hear listeners to this podcast screaming even though I can't really hear them who do you want to go see this year who is that on your list of maybe the new people that you definitely are gonna go check out? Wow I haven't made my list yet okay you know to tell you the truth we've got three festivals before Bonnaroo and so you know I still haven't dug into what I'm gonna do with those yet so you know the other thing that I've learned about Bonnaroo to be honest is I I don't make a list quite the way that I used to before because for me Bonnaroo is definitely a social experience it's almost like a family reunion there's so many people that come together from literally all over the world for that weekend sometimes that might be the only weekend that I really see them but they still feel like really great friends and so there's that aspect of the experience that's come to you know in some ways dominate what the weekend is all about for me because of that I'm the one that gets led to all sorts of things that I may not be that familiar with because you know as I described the booking process you know it's not always my taste it's not always my selection and sometimes you know especially now there are some new artists in there that I discovered that weekend myself. The best Bonnaroo plan is to not have a Bonnaroo plan yeah that's essentially the best and let and let this let the experience come to you. The best plan is to like make a plan and then not worry about it when the wind blows it away. Or if the rain comes like in 2000. Final thing we'll wrap up do you have any news to break this year do you have anything that we don't know of just yet? You know I mean we're still you know the super jam announcement still to come yeah I think we've got some special guests you know there's the Grand Ole Opry this year which I'm really excited about and there's gonna be some special guests with the Grand Ole Opry so we can't wait to tell people about those you know some of that is still being discussed. Bon Iver's got his special show yeah and I'm digging I'm digging and digging and digging to every industry contact that I have to try and figure out what in the hell those two sets are gonna be I'll be honest with you Ashley I'm very confused. I think one of them is gonna be a Bon Iver concert yeah and the other one is you know as best I can tell still in Justin's mind. He's still thinking about what it's going to be and you know I think we none of us know and you know but we do know that we can trust Justin yeah it's gonna be amazing and you won't know until probably that Saturday you probably won't know. I'm sure we will not know all of it yeah really an honor to talk to you and thank you so much for taking so much time with us a thrill of a lifetime honestly each and every year you've created something really really special the entire team has and it's it's nice that you guys seem to have such a firm grasp on it and still have the thing as your baby even through all the transition. Well you know thanks for having me I love to talk about it it's a we do too such an amazing experience it's it's hard to believe that it's been this will be year 17 yeah so we've been kind of we've been working on this thing for 18 years and it's it's really an amazing experience to be able to to do something like Bonnaroo that has that touches so many people over so many years it's it's a special opportunity and I'm very grateful for it. We're grateful for you I mean a third of my life has been tied to Bonnaroo a third of my life. Isn't that crazy? And I'm just sitting here thinking I get in a tent and sleep on an air mattress and use a porta potty once a year. Yeah and I can't wait. Thanks a lot pal. Thanks a lot. Okay well thank you guys. Thanks so much. And we appreciate you Ashley Capsa and we appreciate you for listening to the What Podcast this week. Next week very excited we talked to the revivalists if there was one artist that we got more comments about in the first three weeks of this podcast other than the revivalist I don't think that there was one it's all been revivalist revivalist revivalist. Sure and there were a couple of survived surprises there were a couple of surprises in that interview. Yeah. We talked to them about their first time there and what to expect this coming up. Yeah and I was shocked to find out that they have actually been to Bonnaroo before. The revivalists the star of next week's podcast we will be on the air with the revivalists we'll be focusing on some of their music and tying it back to New Orleans culture where it all started for Bonnaroo. Probably listen to a little bit of music from another New Orleans artist that's gonna be there right. Little trombone shorting. Indeed the whatpodcast.com for Bonnaroo tickets. Anything else this week? No I'm just excited at all the reaction and the comments that we've been getting. I think we've hit on something that people enjoy and we're under 95 days now or under we're coming up on 90. Wow. Depending on when you listen to this so it'll be here. Yeah we getting closer and closer by the day we'll see you next week the whatpodcast.com Bonnaroo tickets and the revivalists next week talk to you then. Journey through the stories that define the artists playing Bonnaroo. Who are they? What are they? What will you see? The what? Which bands this year that matter? With Brad Steiner and Barry Courter.