Hey, hey, hey, hey. How y'all feeling? Journey through the stories that define the artists playing by the rules. Who are they? What are they? What will you see? The what? Which bands? This show? The show? The show? The show? The show? The show? The show? The show? The show? The show? The show? Actually, not actually. I kind of like that. The what? The what? We heard I was a little bit into it, but that's time! Let's run through the context. This year? That matters. With Brad Steiner and Barry Courter. What podcast? The podcast for Boniruvians, by Boniruvians. There's Barry Courter, with some weird things on his face. There's Lord Taco with normal things on his face. I'm Brad Steiner. Welcome to The What Podcasts podcast for Bonnaroovians. By Bonnaroovians. Barry, what has happened to Dad's face? Are you okay? It's so funny you asked. I showed up at my son's baseball practice and I had been painting the house Well, I looked like you would imagine and one of the other daddies looked at me as I walked up and he said You just gave up haven't you? It cut me right to it. Yeah, it was so perfect. I was like, yeah pretty much. I've just given up I do like how though you you refer to them all as daddy's. Oh, yeah Oh It was a bunch of daddy's In New York, yeah, this is I don't know it's just you know, we're all doing it I guess talk. Oh look, he's trimmed his three times and it's still right back. It's coming right back out No, he's trimmed it three times since the show started Yeah, I can't do that. So it's just kind of figuring this out and it itches and probably not gonna keep it So we'll see and my wife hates it. So it's kind of a fun thing, right? So you've turned into letterman because that's what Dave does like he's done the whole beard and he says he only keeps it Because his wife and kid hate it. That's exactly right and I watched I watched a couple of between two ferns bloopers the other night Zack called him crystal meth Santa Yeah Yeah, it'll it it'll too close to home didn't Barry I laughed I laughed it felt right so today is a weird special one-off episode with Barry's best friends these days Because maybe not just because they live so close to each other, but they're in the same age demographic Mitch writer Mitch writer in the Detroit wheels devil with a blue dress on you know, it's funny I was thinking earlier and I'm gonna take a minute if you'll give me if you'll allow this I know I tease you guys. I sent you some notes We were talking back and forth today and I said something like let's make sure every you sent notes notes texts Yeah You know note some of that look I'm not gonna say interwebs. That's the dorky I hate people who say interwebs and Google things and whatever but I Sent you some notes that said yeah, you know, let's do this when everything's Jake and you made fun of me And I do that on purpose Bob's your uncle all these kind of old-timey things and it occurred to me I didn't really mean to be that guy But then I thought how perfect because we've got Mitch writer coming on I do mean to do this on purpose because I think it's important that We recognize and we pay homage if you will to some of the some of the old stuff So Lord, I'm gonna keep doing it Do you know what? Let's keep it Jake means No, I thought that was an autocorrect so I was like trying to think imagine what he tried to type Because he never can take Jake he can never text anything correctly to begin with. Well, that's true. That is true So when I mean you might as well. Hey young man, come on out of the Nickelodeon spin two bits Two bits How backwards do you want to go with your speech? How far back do you want to go? That's a good question I don't know. I will say this I will say this and I and I'm very serious about this My kids when they went away to college my notes to them. I Would just randomly say everything Jake and I figured Who is Jake? You never heard that I don't know when Jake I've never heard that God you guys see This is the thing. I feel like it's my obligation To educate you young whippersnappers All right, well educate me tell it tell Is everything okay is everything okay It turns out the letters O and K less than J a K E You couldn't just save more time saying it's everything. Okay Same with Bob's your uncle. You never heard that one either You still don't know what that means. I don't know what that means. I Just see I'm gonna keep doing it it's it's I feel an obligation So that when you know, you read a book God forbid you should ever read a book, you know Get get your head out for your phone Maybe yeah, but what what year do I need to start? From before I started getting to Bob's your Jake or Jake These things are like Pre I don't know Civil War or When does this book need to exist to hear these kind of oh Phrases that just must be so apparent in the over 70 crowd Well, this is this is kind of my point and I bring it up because of our guest Mitch Ryder literally My goodness, we're gonna talk a little bit. This guy is a Was the last guy to sing with Otis Redding Jimi Hendrix asked him to be his lead singer in a new band. He was putting together didn't look out My job. Yeah, James Brown and he were friends. I mean so My point is I guess why I'm trying to bring this all around together is you you need to know this sort of I Feel you need to know this sort of thing You need to know this sort of I feel you need to know this sort of history To understand how we've gotten to where we are you know, I mean If you don't know the past if you don't know the guys that got us to where we are Bruce Springsteen ended his concerts for many many years with a medley of Mitch Ryder hits The ones you all know Jenny with a blur. I mean Excuse me Jenny he also sings, you know, Santa Claus is coming to town every show So let's not say the Bruce Springsteen set is the arbiter of everything that we need to know in musical history No, but my point is if you don't know this stuff you you know, you you think Tame Impala invented music or whoever picks somebody You know what I mean, that's that's my point No, I get it and it's it's exactly right and the more that we talked to him in this conversation that we had the other day the more that I wanted to keep talking to him and Unfortunately, my phone was like literally on on the on death's doorstep while a massive Torrential tornate tornadic storm was happening outside. So It was cut short a little bit sooner than I would like I would like to have him back because this was just sort of like wet my palate on all the things that I sort of want to talk to him about and ask him about because I mean how many times are we gonna be able to get a lane a Road into the past like that You're right. That's exactly and that's my point I mean, we're make you're making fun of me and I get it and I I do it on purpose. You know that I Promise you you will hear everything is Jake at some point pretty soon and you're gonna be like Barry's not exactly wrong But anyway Okay, has there been anything that I've said that you've said to yourself, you know what Brad he's on to something here Probably not It's fun and I do it on purpose but point being a guy like Mitch man that connection as you as you just said and I'm and you picked up on it quickly in the conversation and I mean that guy is so connected to Everything you love R&B Blues, I mean the the stories that he has with James Brown Unbelievable. I mean this guy That's that's the thing I think that you probably sit around with them for hours just hearing and tell stories I would hope that he'd be whittling though. I feel like everyone if I talked to him next time He should be whittling while he ruminates It's amazing to talk about It's amazing to talk to him. He is the most complicated Man, I've ever interviewed. I Think I've said that to you. I don't know what that means. What do you mean by that? Mitch Mitch started at 14 and just the stories and the history he was an integral part of Detroit music in particular but not Motown If that makes sense, so I mean as Motown is developing Mitch everyone thought he was part of Motown, but he wasn't But he was very much part of the R&B the rhythm and bruise movement James Brown was was asked who's the you know, who's the white per? Who's the white James Brown basically and he immediately said Mitch Rider. What a weird question though, by the way I remember yeah, I know there was so many I know you brought this up before I know you brought this up before but I mean, this is how times are different I mean imagine if somebody looked at Kanye who's the white Kanye? Yeah. No, you're exactly right I think that we'd all be like this person needs to please leave immediately But I like this chat and I want to come back to it before we get into it though We probably should read off some patreon's and thank them for their enormously Gracious supports through all of these months and trying trying times Which by the way can we just as a public just stop saying the term trying times in these trying times? In these difficult times, I just can't listen challenging times in these challenging. I just can't listen to it anymore It's it's driving me nuts Taco, can you use the list that I read last time? Yeah, because I don't have the current one in front of me. I know but you're in a different outfit. I Don't have the current one in front of me because you caught me off guard The list hasn't changed. Yeah, we actually have one new We have a new patreon joined yesterday Hang on I tell you she signed up but won't get charged until the first Melanie melody Madison oh, this is good HUD Z HUD Zico HUD Z They make it easier and easier for us. Yeah, we time don't they just they just make it up names for us to read But a new patreon boy it really it really would be the best investment of two dollars that you could Just to try and get Barry to read some of these names All of a sudden fall to me when did that happen? I I am almost willing to spend my ten dollars So you can read five of the most ridiculous names. I know I got what then the yeah, I'm not gonna So yeah, it's when did it fall to me? But we have a new tier on patreon Oh two dollars a month. Oh, okay By the way, if you are a patreon the tiers we appreciate your support the tears are gonna Change here in the next couple of weeks It won't affect you at all But for any sort of new patreon that joins for the upcoming season next year We will have some different tiers a little bit more streamlined than it was this past year But Barry you want to run through them? I was what I was trying to say is we have a new year and it's for two dollars a month It's a virtual thumbs up. I Love that. Okay, so we say your name and we give you a virtual thumbs up This gets you your name read on the air by Barry Which is why this name is so great. Okay, so yeah sign up and put in the most complicated name You can think of sure yes, and then I'll give you a thumbs up now If you give more money, do you get a double thumbs up? Well, it goes from the double no it goes from the thumbs up to the virtual high five the virtual fist bump Because you know, we don't do handshakes. Gotcha and then the virtual hug all those All those are sold out Because we we sent out all the merch and everything for that But for the virtual thumbs up you get you know, your name read you get The secret shows that we do you get the live streams you get all the all the exclusive content How much money does it cost to have? some virtual naked time Oh, that's gonna be on only fans. Oh wrong site. Yes That's uh different from the patreon Yeah, Barry's the one to look up for that at Barry. JC Yeah, so some some virtual some virtual physical contact You can be uh, you can be a part to now. Uh, you want to go through some of the names there Barry? You got it. You're still looking for them. Oh my god. Why don't we do this? We'll do the interview. We'll talk to Mitch Ryder and then we'll come back to it How about that and then Russell have to send it to you Me. Oh god, I've emailed it to you. Okay. I can email it to you again You're encroaching on brad territory. Okay, never save anything. You just ask you kids you kids you darn kids All right. Here we go. Mitch Ryder, uh The lead singer of whatever it was Mitch Ryder Devil with the blue dress And so many so many so many hits on the what podcasts We're talking to Mitch Ryder, of course Brad, I don't know if you know Mitch actually played uh, Ichikku That's right Yeah, I did so well they changed the name Ichikku for those who don't know became Bonnaroo Ichikku didn't do very well if I remember right, but it was it proved to Ashley caps that that farm was a pretty good place for a festival. So it became Bonnaroo But was was Ichikku just a complete organizational disaster from your point of view? No, it was it was a mosquitoes No kidding Mosquitoes no kidding. Yeah Once they solved that problem, then they changed the name Ichikku was probably a good name then Was actually the name of a mosquito killer That's so fascinating you said The the mosquitoes because for over a decade Barry and I have every year we look around or like, you know What's amazing about this farm? There's no bugs everybody seemed like two We saw a skunk two years ago that's the closest we got into a bug Yeah That's cool because I didn't that's something that I wanted to add that link and and also uh brad to your question and and I want to ask Mitch about it, but uh He does what once a year at least sometimes twice a year you go over to europe and perform for uh for a month So this quarantine or this pandemic has impacted that but also right now They're not letting americans into germany, which is where my my label is in berlin My management's in berlin uh And we can't get over there right now They wouldn't let us in however We have a tour book and and sold and planned for february march and i'm hoping that uh either they come up with a vaccine or Something dies down that we can do the tour Because uh right now around in america uh Doing nothing. Well, i'm not actually doing nothing very as you know I'm in the studio. Um And that is a blessing. I swear that's a blessing. Yeah, that's what I want. That was the second Yeah, that was Second thing I wanted to talk about you're recording a brand new album and this is um And you're pretty excited about it, right? So far it's been really good and uh, you know coming a lot of people don't know that I live in georgia now But i'm from michigan spent my whole life there and We always had this Sort of a false pride thing about music I think we were the best and uh, I think it was built on the motown tradition Because they were super super labeled Uh brought a lot of acts out and so we were all In detroit anyway thinking wow, you know, even though I play all over the country Uh, we thought we were the king and uh Like my choice of word there. I almost said You can say it you can say we said worse okay So what amazed me when we started putting this album together down here I couldn't believe the talent that's just Bleeding to be to be on in the studio I know up in nashville. I know a lot of guys from detroit moved down there And not just from detroit, but from everywhere And you can't it's hard to get work up there So we're finding people wanting to come down here From nashville. That's quite a drive hour 45 Uh, so they can find work And and so I was blessed that way When I went to choose uh instruments for the recording Some of the most incredible talent, uh is on Is on is on is on my album at this point and we're just uh, probably about halfway through Where we want to be with it? We've got seven songs done and um We're looking to do 16 so we can kind of pick and choose There's no time limit, which is good Because are you are you doing most of this from your house? Is that what you said? No i'm actually going into a studio that uh fema They they disinfect it before I go in and after I leave so Actually, he's actually doing it brad here in chattanooga at uh, the songbird studio. No kidding. I think we can go Yeah, it's very very intimate, but it's also There's enough space in there. We never have more than four people in the whole studio at one time So we have a lot of space and I wear a mask in there except when I sing and uh, or rob a bank and Uh those those uh, it's working out, you know, we're very very cautious Because i'm i'm I'm not a middle-aged man anymore. So I have to worry about my health and um I do have one or two of the Four pre-existing conditions they talk about And so I need to uh be very careful And i've been in the studio multiple times now With no after effects and so on it's a very safe environment And the people i'm working with are very knowledgeable And talented and it's it's been a fulfilling experience And it sure is that beats uh sitting around the house wondering what to do because You know, uh, you can't This this industry that live entertainment That i've made my living on for 51 years It's it's probably gone for if it ever comes back for a couple years And i'm watching, uh The industry try to imagine And create different sort of uh outlets to to earn uh money from artists performing But uh, nothing's worked yet And now you see big arena type things with with uh With uh organized sports and they're having to Those big cardboard fans Yeah Yeah, I love it. Yeah I can't I can't wait I can't wait for the concert series where they start adding fake crowd noise, too uh because If it was not awkward for sports imagine how awkward it's going to be when they start trying to pump in fake anime pyrotechnics for Right, right Yeah, well, we'll let great white do that Yeah, can I let me let me insert just just real quick Um, because I want to talk about the record and I think it's interesting brad I've talked to mitch many many times and so Did he go to get another Oh, he went probably probably went to the restroom because he's been drinking his pbr. So this is not unusual. This is not unusual. That was the first beer I was aware of was pat's blue ribbon So taco lord taco sort of operates a lot like I don't know your your drunk grandfather who just sort of wanders in and out I'm gonna die Somebody's getting a storm. So what I was gonna say just a quick sort of uh Thing about this record, uh, and brad. I don't know. I mean Mitch and I have talked many times mitch has stories about his times is with james brown um jimmy hendrix, I mean the history is unbelievable and And what's interesting about this record right mitch is you're bringing all of those influences that you've had um Over the years, right? I mean, uh, you're known for devil with a blue dress on and jenny take a ride and dc rider But this is you're doing some jazz some blues all of it, right? Yeah, pretty much. Uh, I you can only fit so much of that onto one recording if you uh, were an average mitch rider fan You would number one be aware of the fact that I have 34 cds to my credit Seven of those don't I don't know because they're live recordings So 34 minus seven leaves you 20 Something I don't have enough fingers in front of me And all of those touched on really different parts of music, um I never really got pigeonholed into one little box, which is what they like to do in the business uh So and so oh, yeah the rmb singer so and so. Oh, yeah the high rocker so and so, you know And so if you can't put a title on something It's not easy So it would mean the trider has been Scattered over all these different kinds of music, especially when you listen to the european collection Uh the stuff I did the five albums out of hamburg six albums um And the other seven that had come out of berlin And then uh, there were two in france so Those touched on all these different parts. I love music And i've done The storm is in barry's brain Yeah, it's a storm that's right there the storm is in barry's brain When you're when you're making a decision on a song An album are you asking yourself? What kind of what kind of you know genre or format you want it to be or are you? Saying i'm going to allow the songs to sort of live where it needs to live and i'll worry about genre later Well I I don't think um Specifically about for example a country With music that is indigenous to that country However, I find myself Somewhere in my mind pulling rhythms drum rhythms bass lines uh guitar parts from Throughout my travels that i've i've heard and remembered and so i'll take that information and Create a song around it and then somebody will say oh that sounds like a Slovakian polka, you know and i'm going well, i'm sorry. That's not what I intended but you know it's This guitar line just really appealed to me and that's how it ended up I mean, so i've gotten a a lot Well to get back to Barry's question the album can take as much diversity As you can have from the limitation of information that you can put on one when recording now there are no longer limitations because I mean if you want a cd, I know what we used to do with the olps. We got done with them We put them in the oven and they would curl up in the form of a bowl and we would use it for ashtrays I don't know what happens now with cds when you microwave them or burn them but uh Apparently now that you just stream your music you can have an album that has 150 songs on it I guess if you're capable of creating them, you know Would I be right or wrong? And you can put them out And we talked about it on this show that there are my Spotify playlist has thousands of songs on at a time That's that's the new lp And that's exactly what we talked about. Mitch is that you know, nobody uh, Nobody wants to hold it to a particular genre anymore. We all listen to different things. Oh, yeah Yeah, yeah, because I love different things. Uh, right I'm glad that uh, you know other people feel that way now because it was getting pretty rough um However, I have to say that um When I was inducted into the rhythm of blues hall of fame, I did accept that as an honor uh That's a tough nut to crack I was welcomed into that club You know pretty sure you you're the only uh white guy in there, right? Well living is only I that's right. I can point out the fact that i'm still living Yeah, that's a key word. I'm sorry. I left that out kind of important So I I have some skill sets in that genre of music That the pure saintly sounding clarity of the 1965 Through 69 mitch writer is uh Not with me anymore uh, not so much because of age if you might suspect but um You know, I did have the throat operation a couple of years ago very um And things have changed but I can still sing pretty I can really sing pretty but it's a different sound um And it's not it's not what I had before having the throat operation. I'm just glad you know So There was a lady up in uh at motown Uh, she got cancer and she died And uh, i'm glad that you know, I didn't die I mean, i'm glad that I can still sing Can you can you tell? the story mitch because it really um Um, I still think about it. I never I never thought about it until you put it this way You guys that you and the detroit wheels were going to open for I don't remember which english band And uh, you kind of got mad because the girls only wanted to hear english bands And uh, can you tell that story? It's one of my favorites well It was uh, unfortunately dave clark And uh, we were the at the time we were the hottest local band That they had seen for hours Motown acts would come to this venue and we would headline over them even though we didn't have a record And they were they were coming to do their hits, you know Uh, he was very popular. So we got the nod To be able to open for our our producer had something to do with it in new york To open for dave clark And they put us in these little dressing rooms You know the old masonic temple and The windows were like little cracks. They weren't windows. You can raise up and down They're just little wind windows that you wind and they open up that much and there was no room to even put your head out but all the girls in the trade Falling in love with it Which we Even still hate today for that reason The simple fact that they were british made them popular, right? little haircuts And and that that accident in fact the number one radio station in desoia Actually hired a british guy for prime time Disgusting simply because of the way he talked. I mean, that's how stupid Those detroiters were at that time So we were pissed off about that to begin with And then the fact that we had to you know be stuck in that hot dressing room So I just tried to see to get some fresh air I stepped my hand out the window by accident and a thousand girls began to scream They're going what? That's right And so I said hey guys watch this And I stuck my hand out and they scream again And I stuck it out and they scream again and we looked at each other. You said this is bullshit And we're gonna burn these motherfuckers. We got to do this so We went down to open for dave I found four days after that night um and We did everything we knew everything I had learned coming up through the black club Uh as a singer everything I had known about on stage performance by watching dames brown Everything the boys in the band loved about urban music everything they loved about rock and roll Uh, I took off my clothes We switched instruments Uh, the drummer would play bass the bass player played the guitar on and on and on I I would leap around like some kind of half naked, uh moon dancer and We got done. We were exhausted. We went over like 15 minutes and uh The girls went nuts And cool So we left And we were walking back then as they came out to the stage And we just let her collect them Like that And when they went on stage we we stood by the side to watch and see if we had poisoned the water enough and uh we did We had Stolen the cell phone because they get out there and did the very gritty thing just standing Straight playing and looking and shaking your head inside the side like this Like like great Charles with eyes, you know So, uh, I love that I love that story and the other and one more, um the James brown, uh Uh dropping to your knees James was Yeah, he's he's a funny guy. It was a funny guy We knew each other. Um And so I came he came to Detroit to play and I went to see him and I had The door open And James is sitting Under one of them big you remember those Hair dryers that looked like the gnomes of a rocket ship You know, oh he's under one of them And so I walked in And James is the man. How you doing? And he goes Come a little closer so I walked about halfway across the room. I said James. It's Mitch. How you doing? Got that big grin Take a here. Oh, I guess like maybe two feet from him He goes James is Mitch. How the fuck are you doing? Yeah, yeah I get down in front of him looking up at him on my fucking knees He's exactly where he wanted me on my knees in front of him You make me think about something really interesting considering um You had so much interaction with urban music if if that's even what we call it anymore but he had so much exposure to maybe black artists and black culture And while so much was going on in the world so much was changing around you James brown being part of a giant movement for civil rights vis-a-vis what's happening today I gotta imagine that's gonna it's a very Odd perspective that you have on On the on the on both bookends of it well my Association with my my my black friends in detroit uh was well into the um The unrequest there that culminated in the riots that were occurring in detroit. We were all aware of it uh me and the members of my group um, i'm talking about the pepsimal the black group I was with and we This is going to sound weird, but we wanted to shield ourselves From from we weren't thinking civil rights We were thinking that money in america Solves every problem I had and so our our our combined goal was success tons of money Rise above the gray you won't be involved because money in america speaks the truth And we all believe that any civil rights matters that were Do or forthcoming could be handled? By claiming a huge amount of money and success and to some degree that's true but um as I became famous and became more aware of the Gravity of integration and civil rights. I I did for example a uh I think it was 13 city or Or planned to be a 13. We ended up in seven city tours of arenas with uh wilson pickett Using his band and me using my band And the purpose of the the express of the tour Was to bring my white fans and his black fans together and wilson, uh Also went out of his way to introduce me to the apollo crowd, which was quite rare at that time as well So we became sort of semi-activists uh We weren't marching in the street at some times, but we were Putting people together as a social experiment To to see you know if that and you know with young people it's not An egregious thing As it is with old folks in this country now Today's youth and I know this because we have children and grandchildren now but the young people today Are more quickly ready to judge you By your character By what you're worth as a human being and by the color of your skin and um That was something we were blindly looking for uh Back when I had started out then when I got away from the uh the urban scenery And became sophisticated. I was living in new york city Where all the intelligentsia of the frigging world lives, right? I mean that The first time that that theory was debunked was when I had to start stepping over homeless people in manhattan I realized it wasn't the center of the universe at that point so but anyway, uh when I when I Wow Whoa Sorry Oh, it's maybe there's so few planes leaving chattanooga now. I thought maybe one had just crashed No, I think that's a storm in new orleans. Yeah Wow raining down on me here Um, so anyway, you got me talking but I lost my train of thought when we heard you Yeah I mean, it's just fascinating to me because because for for As long as it's been Sometimes it feels like we haven't gotten anywhere and You being on the front lines of it then And then having to see it all come back around again is is it's got to be a very strange thing for you um I mean, I don't know. I don't know in your opinion has it gotten better Or does it all just feel the same? No, it it there have been changes, but one thing that has not changed There was a city adjacent to the city of detroit Where I had a friend and I took two of the black members of the group the peps that I was in out to gearboard And the mayor of gearboard was a sconce racist And i'm driving along with the guys in the car and i'm talking to him and all of a sudden i'm looking in the mirror And I don't see him anymore Like they had bailed jumped out of the car I'm going what the fuck where and they're crouched down Hiding while i'm driving through gearboard And I said what the fuck's wrong with you guys? What's going on? They said we're in gearboard And I go wow What? What? How does that happen that you have to hide? driving through the city And we get pulled over And I had my dad's car and They took him to jail and they let me go And and so law enforcement Has not changed that much from what I had known in terms of of of young black men But there have been other uh breakthroughs In in different professions in in politics, uh in in the middle class, uh Uh, there there are changes and there are a lot of places where The color of your skin does not determine your worth uh, unfortunately The pie that we're eating out of is is only so big that's right and And and you know nobody's willing to give up It's like if if I had Eight pieces of pie and it was the last piece of pie I had and you were the nicest guy in the world And you wanted some of it you begged for it. You marched outside my house for it You wanted that piece of pumpkin pie And it was the last one I had I'd still be thinking about man. This is gonna be snowing on him Yeah And it's back to your and it goes back to your original point which was You're all just trying to make money Right, you're all in america money is god And and you can say all you want about religion and churches and and the christians and whatever But there's nothing that money can't do in this country And that's why that's why I and that's why and that's why I I just don't know Um watching I just watched this miles davis documentary the other night It just it just doesn't feel like much has changed When it's when you when you break it all down to what what it's about and what what is the core issue of a lot of it? Yeah, it's it's it's about you know improprieties and and how overwhelmingly Racist some of just basic policy, but at the end of the day, it's all about money and it's about money It's about opportunity. And like I said We're living in the the the only pure capitalistic country left on the face of the earth And there's nothing wrong with that per se Except that like I said, they only baked one pie and it's only big enough So you're gonna without education Without the funding for the education Without the opportunities being presented to not only minorities now because I'm going to tell you something we grew up poor We were what you couldn't want trash Okay And so it's not just latinos and blacks. It's white folk. They can't bust through that economic barrier either And so for that reason, I don't think it's racist. I think it's a class issue And I think that would be addressed Only through a revolution probably Well, I I tell you I think there's um There's so many stories that we could probably ask you about there's probably so many Uh, you know twists and turns that we could dive into and I hope that in the in the future we'll get another chance to to weave our way through some of the the sometimes ridiculous The same fabric of my quilt. Yeah, he's got he's got some good ones Yeah I I hope we get to do it again soon. Good luck on the album and Hey, we'll be the first ones there when you want to uh, when you want to play a song We'll be the first ones to leak it. Yeah, i'm not i'm not that way. I don't like to you know, uh, leak things out I'm gonna finish it first. Yeah, we have a goal. We want to get the 16 songs recorded by november And the reason we're taking our time Is because you got time What the hell are you gonna do? So I'll be in the studio for a half an hour Why because I want to be in the studio for a half an hour Why because I want to be able to come all year long Yeah All right, it's a good people. Uh, I I don't care I love the winters down here I don't like the oppressive hot summers Um, i'm getting to know enough people uh to where I feel uh The friendship that's available and outreaching to to folks that come down here And it has nothing to do with uh uh It being the south it just has to do with good people uh, the only thing is uh I landed smack dab in the middle of the bible belt, but not exactly the bible belt We're actually under the buckle of the bible belt. Yeah I call it the gut sweat of the bible belts. Yeah So, I mean I believe in god. I believe in jesus and what can I tell you? That's where my faith is, but I don't I don't believe in it as a business profession. Yeah so That's that's you know, and once again money Well, you got a uh, you got a good tour guide and barry cord are right at the road front Well, he's also going to be my my uh sort of armored vest yeah I'll just walk behind him Yeah, i'm good at that that in shadows. Yeah, thanks so much Yeah, you have a good day and you know, you kind of know what's going on with me. Uh and uh, I I I hope that uh This podcast uh thing amongst the other ones that are out there is attractive to people I know it should be attractive to people in new jersey new york because I know all of them creeps And I should be attracted to people in michigan and I have some friends in southern california, too. So There you have it All right. Thanks so much Hey time for you to take another piss Uh, I'll see you guys see you The what podcast a podcast for bonnaruvians by bonnaruvians there's barry there's lortaco i'm brad Uh great talent writer and i'm serious about this it wasn't for the storm that was was Tear tearing down my street or um the uh audio issues and my phone die I would have talked to him for hours and hopefully we can get him back on the show because I feel like there's A lot of stories that he is dying to tell somebody And I would like to be the guy that he you know You know just stumbles onto one day and decides to pour it all out one. That would be That would be pretty magical I have a feeling we could sit around for an hour and a half just talking to mitch writer if we wanted to Oh, he's got plenty of stories and uh, the the the name dropping is amazing and that's the oh he loves to name drop Doesn't he? I know it's not that's what i'm saying. It's not like that. It's uh, it's It's just real. It's when he says it, you know He isn't kidding. You know what? I mean? He's not name dropping. He's not trying to impress you at all. He doesn't care. Um That's that's what I taco is very saucy today He is really really punchy No, look, I like saucy berry Look, uh, saucy berry now is hamlin only fans. Yeah Uh, I mean, let's be real. I mean you brad you're you know, you've been in this business you've met celebrities You've met people. I don't care. I don't care who you are. I am one I I'm overwhelmed. I'm that you're talking to me stunning. It's stunning. Yes Yeah, let me put it this way. The fact that you're talking to me means about as much as uh, any of the other ones So I appreciate that berry. I really do. It means a lot. It means a lot. Yeah Oh, I can really feel the love today. You should there's so much positivity radiating here Speaking of uh, speaking of uh brad always being right Uh kena, that's what we were talking about. I was scrolling through Because I live in new orleans now and I was scrolling through a local new orleans Instagram feed and they happen to have a shirt That's printed Calliope with the proper pronunciation under the word. It's calliope and it says If you're not local, you don't know how to say the word So welcome to brad being right. There's even a shirt that proves it. You're not local I'm here now and I know how to pronounce the word I know how to pronounce the people here Here the people here say it calliope just like okay. Let me let me spell a word for you real quick. Okay B u r I can end this brad. Uh, what's the little what's the little city south of ringgold? That would be lafayette How does the rest of the universe say it okay No, that's not correct. The rest of the universe does not say lafayette It's the only your universe says lafayette only the people of chattanooga and lafayette say lafayette nowhere Other people in new orleans say calliope. No nowhere in the world do they say no Okay, so how would you say how would you say the colors of the washington redskins? Do you know the colors of the washington redskins? I'm just gonna guess Uh yellow No, it's burgundy and gold but here it's burgundy burgundy, so there are certain ways they say words that are different and and because Because bonnaroo is essentially Built out of new orleans culture because of superfly It carries over the reason why it's calliope and the reason why they say it's calliope By the way, because nobody that still runs it is from new orleans and has the superfly connections anymore But if you ask anybody with the superfly connections what that word is and how you say it they'd say calliope Well, we asked the guys at c3 and they said calliope not part of any New orleans culture like superfly was it's all about it's back to greek mythology, right? Yeah Calliope stage has nothing to do with new orleans. Nothing to do with new orleans. You're you mean you can wrong? wrong wrong Wrong. Yeah, they moved it. They moved the hill too. They moved the damn hill. I calliope people move the hill barry You've had 45 minutes to get the names of the patrons here in sheets Timothy proctor aron carlson lisa condor david grimes phil handley chloe hannon benjamin wells tori Radio musical antlers mary t skyler melanie and jesse felman parker reed dan swinney joshua herndon lauren eddholm nick yeatman tyrone basket Evan brown ross mcnohair william richards clay will hoit sean mccarthy ryan matthewson chelsea davis lucy young jason hazel baker dk linda doles jacob marty andrew t mcbride justin nigro david solano katherine riccio meredith ritman daniel and charla hort Horton the rubas folks Sean mccain david henson brooke tussie ella ella from signal mountain And taco, do you know who are who's our new person? We just got a new person. Do you remember? Oh, you're gonna make me read the name. Yeah, you guys are putting me on the spot. I'm gonna give a little love back What was her name madison? It's madison um And you know what? I'll just put the i'll just put the name up on the screen so you can watch on youtube And see the name. How about that? We need to give her some love. She's new. Yeah, we got a new patreon That's amazing. Welcome to the family madison. Um, what you're seeing for the first time is I think the uh, I'll just put it this way barry. Did you get a new shower head? I see where this is going. Is this gonna be our new direction? Are you having some pressure issues over there in 2b jerry? Are you having some have you having some pressure issues? It's the water pressure It's been a swimming pool day. I told you that It's been a swimming pool day. Yeah. Well, yeah, please watch on youtube so you can see barry's hair No, no, no, please watch on youtube so you can see my hair. Nobody wants to see your hair. You should damn it. You should All right, uh anything else there's a screenshot right there. Thank you Anything else to get through today before we uh sign off until the next glorious day that we uh, are we done? I just opened a new beer. Are you just yeah, what? Hey, what's that different than any other day? What are we gonna do? We need to talk about and I don't know if we want I mean we can edit this out but Everyone should have gotten their swag. Oh, yeah, we need to get we need to get those guys on on to talk about it We need to have some debates about the tapes Uh, we need to get pictures of everybody with their stuff. This is a great idea I'm into the uh, the the white hillary asked me about this last night. We need to see Um that we should do a poll right? Um of whose mixtape you like better brad brad or brad Yeah, um Okay Yeah Yeah, it would be nice to get some people on who have received and consumed the mixtapes. Yeah, see what they think Yeah, they love it. They hate it. Whatever. I mean, I don't care I'd like to hear some feedback and we need to we also need to probably I think we talked about making the uh mixtapes available to everybody right maybe just Open them up on spotify and let people listen Well, whatever we want to do. That's what we can put out a playlist. Yeah, I just want to hear um that and You know russ you start you created the um the phone, um You created the phone. Yeah, congratulations. You did it buddy. I can't here it is right here. We are there Alexander graham taco right in front of us who knew we had him What are we doing a podcast about bonnaroo for we've got the inventor of the phone We got the phone thingy Um, and I want to you know, we need to give that number back out. Let's give the number back out Um, do you remember what it is? I know that the last four digits are taco So, you know, we really should not do shows in the afternoon anymore because barry is all over the place today Yeah, I told you it's a pool day The four two three was it six six seven taco four two three Six six seven Seven eight seven seven and i'll put it on the screen Okay, so there's there's something else for you to watch um Yeah, so we set up a voicemail box where you can call in And tell us whatever you want to tell us. Tell us your favorite bonnaroo memory Tell us what you were looking forward to And in 2020 tell us tell us how much you like my hair What's how much you like brad's hair? Tell us how to pronounce calliope calliope Tell us if they move the hill or not. They move the hill Um, yeah call in leave a voicemail. We'll listen to them. We'll play some on the air. We'll talk about them Yeah, i'd love that Leave a review of the three six six seven taco In fact three six seven seven eight seven seven it could be you singing along to the mixtape That would be great too. We would love to hear you sing. Yeah the mixtape. Um Yeah, I love it Um voicemail. Yeah, and and and if you've gotten your uh, your patreon package, uh, yeah send us the pics Model it my friend model the uh the shirt. Yeah, put the sticker on your I don't care what you need to do. Let's see it. Let's see it. Show us what you're drinking in your Cousin show me that koozie. Yeah, show me that koozie Yeah, it's it's very it's a very exciting time. Um, you know, we've got to figure out like I feel as though that that the stuff that we are Putting out may just be as interesting as bonnaroo Considering It's tough times tough times Uh, all right. So yeah, and uh, I want to see it. I want to hear what you think Um, and by the way, even if you don't like the mixtape, that's fine, too No, no, that's what I want to hear. We're open to criticism That's the point of the mixtape the mixtape is supposed to be a representation of you the person making the mixtape um showing off and seeing if you can expose somebody to something different and new and uh, by the way, I re-listened to of course mine the other night and A lot of change a lot of a lot of weird choices. I made I would have really made some different decisions. I have uh, Uh, I'd like a re-edit. I'd like to go back and start this one over again. I'd like to redo the mixtapes I like to do another version of them. Well, that's the thing we could make it a Seasonal thing next season when we reopen the tears We can put out a new mixtape man. I'll give you one step better You could do it each season not the season of the show but for for winter For fall for spring for summer like every every season subscription. That's right. Absolutely subscription Interesting. Look at us working this out. I actually listened to yours yesterday. I stumbled across it for some reason and um, There's actually a couple of artists on there that we might actually be able to get on the show That you had on yours and uh, maybe some others. So is it repeat repeat again? No, oh, it's not actually I won't say who because we may not get him, but i'm pretty sure we will I really like taco found that one funny. I really made that I made that makes me very happy I know I just love having repeat repeat on yeah It'd be really great if chair had just popped in right now because he has access to the link He could just go in here. He could he could sign he could join the group. He could join join the call. Yeah listening If we did if he did sign in I just want to hear christen say be sweet I just want to hear her yell from the other room be before this before the show started he texted me they're on their way back from camping and uh, She's listening to taylor swift. So we won't be hearing from them for a minute. Yeah. All right. There you go Uh, very random episode of the what podcast? Uh, be sure to by the way, we don't say this enough Thank you for one being a listener being a viewer being a patreon to the what podcast but more than that if you could Go to your itunes store or anywhere you get the app or any on your apps or anytime you get the show wherever you get The show wherever you get the show Be sure to rate it and review it. It really helps with the whole search feature thing in the um in the algorithm stuff That's a taco question, but it really does if you uh rate and review even if it's a one Yeah, that's fine Yeah, yeah Any interaction you can do if you want to leave a review if you want to share if you want to give a thumbs up A follow subscribe. Yeah, really appreciate it. Yeah, it helps a lot. All right for a little taco for barry I'm brad. We'll talk to you sometime in the future on the what podcast. Bye. Love you. Bye Hey, hey, hey, hey journey through the stories that define the artist playing Bungalow who are they? What are they? What will you see the what which bands this year that matter with brad steiner and Barry Courter?