Hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey, hey. How y'all feeling? Journey through the stories that define the artist playing by the rules. Who are they? What are they? What will you see? The what? Which bands? This year? That Matter? Yay. With Brad Steiner and Barry Courter. The what podcast? The podcast for Bonnaruvians by Bonnaruvians. Bonnaruvian A, Barry Courter, Bonnaruvian B, Brad Steiner, Ninsler Taco. Nice shirt, Taco. How are you feeling? How's it how's it fit? Oh, it fits great. It's a great, great shirt. You never felt sexier, have you? Never. Yeah, not great. You know, I'm great. There we go. Now you feel even better. The man, you know, I think that you could dress in PBR cans and feel comfortable. Yeah, I would feel pretty good in that. Well, welcome to a secret podcast, a secret show, off cycle, out of season. How's the life Barry Courter? Let's do some pleasantries around the room. How are you? Life is it's pretty good. But I got to be honest, now that you ask it that way, the reason I'm wearing the hat is because I've got some very sad news here in our fine city. Your toupee fell off. You finally lost your toupee. My toupee fell off. And it's down its way to your mouth. It's so it's eating my face. It's so funny. I determined before we signed on that I was I was not going to be the voice of doom and gloom anymore. And then I lead with that. But everything else is good. It's supposed to be a happy episode. It's going to be a happy episode. I'm ready to move forward. So everything's good. Well, first off, it's a happy episode because I am living my best Lord Taku life. I got a baby. He got the 16. I got top boys as well. I'm telling you, we're getting very close to Ru ham territory with our beer drinking. We're going to have like a PBR versus ham fight at some point. I don't think I'm okay with that. I wish I was speaking of which Parker. Yeah, Parker said he's going to send me some hams for my birthday. Nice. Tako, you're going to hate it. You you don't like anything that's not PBR. You won't drink a juice box much less. Yeah, water, milk. I don't know. I've never had it. I'll give it a fair water. You never had water. I'm very I'm very interested to hear your impression. My memory and it's been forever since I've had it. I don't think it's that much different than PBR. So I'm very anxious to hear what you say. Maybe a little maybe a little sweeter, but it's been a long time. Just like you. Exactly. Oh, look at this. See, it's all positive. What is the what's the bad news? BC songbirds explain because not everybody. Bumper. Sorry. That's right in the giant metropolis. That is the 100,000 population of Chattanooga, Tennessee. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. The hat that I'm wearing songbirds guitar museum, which is the world's largest collection of rare and vintage guitars here in Chattanooga has closed. Oh my what the. The world is calling me. I'm very popular. Songbirds is closed and it's such a cool place. The connection to us, not just Chattanooga AC Entertainment, sort of help book it because of connections with Mike Dewar, our friend, Camp Mate, Camp Nut Butter Mate, those sorts of connections. You know, Chattanooga, we're only an hour and a half away from Knoxville, so it's there is that connection. Brad, you've been there, obviously, Taco. I think you guys saw Turquoise, right? Just before you left town, Brad, right? That was the last show we ever see. The last real show. Yeah. So there is the Bonnaroo connection. I'm not pulling it out of nowhere, but it's it's closing its doors announced. I announced it in the paper on Wednesday. It's it's sad because of what it says, you know, I mean, it's a huge loss for the city, but it's a great venue and anybody who's been through this area. We've had a couple of our guests on who said, you know, they made the loop down on their way to Bonnaroo to see it, so that's why I mentioned it. It's not a totally out of out of nowhere mention. So I think that the reason why it's important is that it's so indicative of, you know, just where we are and how hard it is for, you know, these really interesting, thoughtful, wonderful places that mean a lot to the overall, you know, zeitgeist and the overall colorful palette and the quilt that has been knitted. It's tough to see something like this go. And it's indicative of the rest of the industry, man. I mean, not only is it a guitar museum, but downstairs, it's a performance hall. And, you know, sorry to interrupt, but even upstairs, yeah, the north and south is venues. And just to just to add on, I just saw it yesterday, Emmy Sunshine, who was our last guest or guest before, I guess, she shared my story and made some very nice comments. I think she played there, what, a month ago. So that's why I mentioned it. It's not like, you know, it's totally out of the way. But go ahead, because you're exactly right. It's it is very indicative. You've got it. You've got a downstairs room that is, you know, the to me, my favorite type of room, 250, 500 max. Everything feels really intimate. And it barely makes any money. You know, it's sort of like the exit in. You get this tiny, tiny ability to have a margin. And when all of that goes away, you're not going to be making, you know, enough money off of a guitar museum in the middle of COVID. So how do you keep the doors open? You know, we have a we have a tea shop in Chattanooga. The wife owns a tea shop. And she said something so interesting after I told her songbird was closed. She said, I bet their lease was coming up. And I said, I don't know. Well, if my lease was coming up, I wouldn't be resigning anything right now. Right. She's right. I can't I can't imagine how many more people that's this is going to be the story. You know, and once we start seeing the songbirds is a small, small, small, tiny little, you know, thing in the overall spectrum. But the exit in things like the exit and start falling. Then what happens in the metro in Chicago? You know, the metro in Chicago, one of the most iconic venues in the country is just it's on the way. The Tabernacle in Atlanta. These things are just going to keep falling if something if something doesn't change. Yeah. And connect more dots. I mean, Chris Cobb, a guest on our show several weeks ago, owner of Exit In, is the owner of Exit In is good friends with Mike Dewar, the guys at AC Entertainment. They're you know, they all share stories. And that's that's why it's so key. Now, to that point, before you go any further to that point, you've got the Chris Cobbs of the world that run Nashville's Exit In. He also had something to do with the bigger venue in Chattanooga, which is called the Signal, which is a about a thousand. You're right. Fifteen hundred, sixteen hundred. What could be? Is there is there any sort of chatter in town about signal closing as well? There is not. He is and Chris is no longer involved. He sold his interest in that, but he was involved when it opened. I have not heard. I do know that our friend Tara, another Camp Nutbutter who was managing it, I don't I don't think is involved anymore. I think she took another job about what, a month ago. Yeah. So the reason the reason I ask. Are you folks living on the other side of the country? These are names that mean nothing to you. Sure. But the reason I ask, the reason I ask is. Ripple effect. Yeah. The reason I ask is you've got you've got if Chattanooga is going to start shutting its doors, Chattanooga is as small as it gets. Small big town. Yeah. Those small towns are going to be the first ones that start going. And they're probably going to be the start of the tsunami if there's ever going to be one. I guess that's why that's why I ask, you know, because if if a 1500 seat venue in Chattanooga, Tennessee is gone, boy, who's next? Who's next? It depends. And yeah, again, I'm trying not to I'm trying to be positive, but now the the Songbirds announcement in our world, not just this, you know, in Chattanooga, but in this part of the country was massive because nobody thought it was it would close. You know, I mean, it had a it had strong backing and it was all the momentum and it's a cool place and, you know, on and on and on. So, yeah. Hey, look, I mean, Chattanooga has two music venues. New Orleans has 50. Yeah. You know, is the maple leaf or the white maple or what the hell it's called, is that going to survive? Is Tipitina's I mean, Tipitina's is straight up said that, you know, we have until October one before we got to make a really hard decision. And Tipitina's being closed. If something happens to that legendary venue, it feels like part of the soul, the city is going to be ripped away. So, you know, it's tough to think about. So thanks for ruining my day, Barry. There goes the positive. Yeah. I feel like I need a hood and a site. I mean, it's all I do is also this week was bad. I mean, we had three local festivals announced. They were either canceling or going virtual this week that I wrote about. So it just was a really, really rough week. But yeah, just just to tie it back into the podcast, we did an episode from Songbirds. Remember, we interviewed Drew Holcomb. Yeah, Drew and and Brad from AC. Yeah. About what was so great about that. It was a great venue, a great chat, but it was the worst audio we've ever had. So it really wasn't even. Yeah, we're not going to link back to that. Yeah, it was sort of like our own private show. So speaking of virtual festivals, have you have did you do any of the Lollapalooza virtual fest or any of that kind of stuff? No, I haven't really done much of that. The one I wish I had because the reviews I've read and you went on and on about it was the one down there, New Orleans Jazz Fest. Yeah, but it wasn't a virtual one. It was just like it was listening to it on on the radio. Right. But it sounds so cool. Yes, it was really well done. So the Lollapalooza thing seemed to go really well. The the C3 people were very happy with it. You know, I can't imagine these things, you know, working for the long run. We did a drive in show also C3 put on with Revivalist. And surprisingly, with somebody who was such a, you know, negative Nancy about these drive in shows, it really worked. It sort of worked. Now, again, these things work because they're in a vacuum. You know, the only thing that's going on. So anything that happens seems to be great. But. And you had a you had a pretty good you had a pretty good moment at the end, right? Didn't you have? Oh, yeah, I forgot all about that. OK, so. A moment. Yeah. All right. So we did we did the drive in show. Let me just walk you through how the drive in show works. Everybody gets a parking space that is two parking spaces away from the next person in your row. And what you get on one side of your parking space is an entire other parking space that you can tailgate at. And then there's a parking space in between the parking spaces. There's a parking space in between you and then the next car. And so they do this 50 rows back. So you're not close. You know, it's not like you're up close and personal and feeling very intimate, but you're outside. You get to see other people. And here's the best part. They had signs in every one of the pods for merchandise, et cetera, that you could scan a QR code and the guy would bike the merchandise in a bag over to you and deliver it to you at the car. Now, expand that for a second. Imagine how you can do that with food delivery at one of these drive in shows. There's actually a chance here for this to turn into something that works. Now, here's the problem. Sounds like was there a car hops in the 50s or something like that? I mean, you know, OK, go ahead. Sorry. It's sort of like a sonic. So so two other things. And every row came with its own row of bathrooms, its own reporter pod. He said every row had a person spraying down and hosing it down and wiping every one of the bathrooms down after somebody used it. I thought that was just over the top. Great. And then so the best part is you've got you can tune into the radio and all that kind of stuff. But you did the math. There's 500 cars and it was 100 bucks a piece. So do the math. Tell me how much person or per car per car. And you can get as many people legally into the car as you could get. So what's 100 times 500? Barry, you're the you're the math major here. More than two. I don't know. I'm not going to say so as many people as it'll be into the car. You can you can legally put into the car. I can bring a lot of people in the bus. Yeah. And that would've been fine. Legal. Yeah. Yeah. Legal. Yes. So the point that I'm making is that you take you take the amount of money that you pay for a ticket, multiply it by how many tickets are sold and split it in half. And that's your that's basically what costs you to run the event. The rest of it is probably for the band. So production costs, security, space rental. That's that's probably half of it. The other half is probably going to the band. It's not a good payday. It's not the best payday for you to say the revivalist, but it's some. And forgive me for asking, but the one you went to, the revivalists were there live. This wasn't a thing like Garth Brooks did where it was broadcast to several, right? They were they were. Okay. Okay. Right. Right. So so you put if it's 20, if it's $50,000 split in a half, you get 25 to 30K production, et cetera. And then the rest goes to the band. It's 20 grand. It's a good payday. And it's not the best, but it's good. Now, with that being said, I bring this the math up because it ain't going to work for tool, you know, it's not good. The math's not going to work for Alabama shakes, but could possibly work for Brittany Howard. Twenty five, 25K to 30K. Maybe if you bill it correctly, like, for instance, the two weeks before that was was Tank of the Bangas. The week after that was Galactic Tank of the Bangas not costing you 25K. Galactic not costing you 25K. But to revivalist do, you could probably make the math work and pay somebody 50 grand over the course of a six week drive in show. And they did all of this without any sponsors. Not one sponsor. It was all just based on ticket price. So the possibilities are there. It could work. It could monetarily work. Now, is it going to work on the long term because people's desire for a show is going to get desire for a show to be better than just being 120 yards away. They're going to want a better experience at some point. But for the short term, I can see these things working. I totally agree. And I the money is going to be I mean, going back to our conversation with Jeff Becker, the attorney, entertainment attorney who, by the way, congratulations got named to what? Every top 10 entertainment lawyer list around, right? Rolling Stone, what a taco. Yeah, I think we I think it was Rolling Stone and we retweeted that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. How did you know that? Entertainment wire. Really? Do you have him on like some sort of Google alert on your phone? Like, how did you find out? I probably taco shared it. I don't know. Yeah, but yeah, I saw it. But then I saw it come through the AP wire, you know, through the paper. So yeah, good for him. We follow him on Twitter and he retweeted it. So, you know, yeah. So good for him. I forgot where I was going. Oh, but he was saying I was saying the money is going to be reconfigured to my prediction. And this is just my prediction is this is what we're going to see. There might be pretty soon where we see the big time names in some venue that you never imagined. You know, by the way, by the way, I love how Barry just made a prediction that something's going to happen that has already happened. Okay. It's safe. No, I'm talking. Well, I predict, I predict we're going to do a podcast today. It's my prediction. You're in you're in New Orleans. I'm talking about even smaller places where we're seeing acts doing acoustic sets or, you know, they're not going to be the full blown stage shows like we're used to. You talk about tool, you know, maybe not, but it's not going to work for Cardi B. No, probably not. I mean, there are there will be some where will not work. Absolutely. And on and to your point, not only is financial not going to work, but also, you know, these things have got to be, you know, regional and have the band with you. And you're not going to be able to transport 35 people. That that's the other part of where I was going is a lot. Some of these, the artist is doing it so their crew can get paid. You know what I mean? Yeah. I know that's happening at one of the first shows that we saw here in Chattanooga was strong like a horse. And that's the reason they did it so that the guys around them could get paid. That was back in March. But I think that's what we'll see. Yeah. You know, it's not just the singer that's at home. You know, it's the guy driving the truck. Yeah. All right. So the other thing that we wanted to pop on and do today is leak a song. The big news is that we got a copy of a song that I'm really proud of. And we get to debut a song to the world that no one's ever heard by a band that, you know, it's an up and comer who could be the next big thing. You never know. But friend of the show, Repeat Repeat have a brand new song and we get to debut it to the world on this podcast. And you guys haven't even heard it. Taco and Barry haven't even heard it. Nope. No. Yeah. So I broke the rules and I stole one of their songs and I'm bringing it to the world. I'm bringing it to the podcast so that you guys can hear what they've been working on and based on their new album that is currently in development. But yeah, I'm breaking the rules and betraying their friendship because I think that you guys deserve to hear the next big album. Oh, hello. Oh, what happened? What was that? That was Jared. He was attacking me. He took me down. He's trying to keep you from leaking the song. Yeah. Anything to keep from leaking the song. Yeah. So I was hoping we could play it right now on the show and get you guys's initial reaction to it and see what you think. Let me open a PBR first. That was not the song. That was not it. That was music to my ears. Cheesy dad jokes. So good. So good. Let's play. So the name of the song is Wind in My Sails and it's going to be released on August 28th, I hear. And so we get it absolutely first. That's my birthday. Wow. Happy birthday to you, Taco. Happy birthday to you. And you never even told the story I was trying to get you to tell about the revivalists. That's right. I forgot about the back part of that story. Yeah, I didn't care about any of that other stuff. So we get done with the show and I look around and behind us is a car full of kids and one of which has a Bonnaroo Crew shirt on. A Crew 2017 shirt. So I run up to him like, hey, dude, nice shirt. I love the shirt. He's like, oh man, yeah, I was part of the crew a couple of years ago. He's like, yeah, where'd you volunteer? We started talking about the volunteer thing. Like, that's so awesome. And some other friends of his came over, started talking Bonnaroo, et cetera. And at one point the girl, and I have so apologized that I can't remember her name, but she cocked her head and she goes, are you Brad? And I said, yeah, but I've already told you that. She goes, the podcast. I listened to the podcast. And then that became the domino to the next person. And he said, and God, I feel so bad. I forgot his name too. He goes, oh my God, I love the podcast so much and hugged me in the middle of a pandemic. Now, why is that funny to you guys? Well, lots of reasons. Well, you wouldn't even hug somebody on a good day. Yeah, that's exactly right. No, that's right. So I had to hug him and I had to hug her. And they were big fans of the podcast. So I couldn't have been, it was totally weird. It is a very weird thing. I've been in New Orleans and been on the radio in the city for five months. I've had more people talk to me about the podcast and my radio station, which is very strange. Nobody cares about sports and weather anymore. Okay. Sports and weather. Yeah. So there you go. Yeah. Very odd thing. You can find podcast listeners everywhere. That's how weird this whole thing has become. So yeah, there you go. Are you going to shut up now so we can play the song? I was just Biden time, my friend. Just Biden my time. This is Wind in My Sails from Repeat Repeat. Let's go through some of the Patreons that are, you know, so unbelievably stuck through us, through all of the madness of 2020. Absolutely. Karen Sheets, Timothy Proctor, Aaron Carlson, Liesl Condor, David Grimes, Phil Hanley, Chloe Hannon, Benjamin Wells, Tori, Musical Antlers. I love that name. Mary T, Skyler, Melanie and Jesse Feldman, Parker Reed, Dan Sweeney, who was with us earlier when we were recording some of this. Joshua Herndon, Lauren Edholm, Yeatman, Tyrone Vasket. Evan Brown, Ross McNamara, William Richards, Clay Wilhoyt, Sean McCarthy, Ryan Mathewson, Chelsea Davis, Lucy Young, Jason Hazelbaker, DK, Linda Dole, Jacob Marty, Andrew T. McBride, Justin Negro, David Saleno, Katherine Riccio, Meredith Ritman, Daniel and Sharla Horton. Hey guys, Sean. And I can't read the last name. Oh, there it is. David Henson, Brooke Tussie and Ella, who we just learned from seeing the spreadsheet actually lives here in Chattanooga up on Signal Mountain. So hey, Ella. And out of nowhere, Look Who decides to join us. One repeat of the repeats. Mr. Jared, Mr. Jared Repeat, how are you? I am doing very well. Hey, guys. Thank you for having me on. Kristen, she may pop in at some point. She is helping for nine years. She's helped with this community art gallery and like online festival thing for the East National Community that we live for like 10 years. So it happens once a year. It's called Tomato Art Fest. And she helps with that. So she's helping with that today. Today's technical. What are you holding right now? What is this? I'm on the farm. You know, I just I like to play banjo on the farm. You know, who doesn't? Yeah. Well, I saw you're in Camp Nut Butter and what goes better with camping than playing a little banjo for boys. You know what I'm saying? This is this is how I think that you've misread Camp Nut Butter. The thing that goes best with Camp Nut Butter is hair product. Oh, no, it's moonshine actually. Yeah, it is moonshine. I did it again. Oh, what is it? I did it again. You need a tripod. I know. You have no idea. Brad has been grandpa today. It's been a disaster. It's been a total. So what's exciting is this is the world premiere of Wind in My Sales. The first time ever a song has debuted on a podcast. Yeah. Well, thank you. We thank you for doing it. We are the song comes out technically August 28th and that's my birthday. Happy birthday. Well, thank you. That's an amazing present. Thank you for releasing that on my birthday. You're welcome. I hope you weren't hoping that this was going to be in any way about you today. Well, because between the two of them, I mean, first is the one that sings mainly on it, but we are putting out two songs that day. The second is a cover song from the 60s from a song that was in a Tarantino movie that we really liked. So really, you know, yeah, it's a weird time in the world. So we were just like, we were kind of screw it and let's start working on some music. We knew this year was going to be a chill year for us. We were going to kind of lay low anyway and just start writing again and working on the next record. And it just felt like time to put something out in the world. It's been about a year since Glaze has come out. And so, you know, but we're sitting on about 22 songs right now. And so this is just, this is a little almost as many pets as you have. It's almost. Yes. That's true. So we're, it's just a little appetizer in the interim before we, you know, decide when we want to put out a whole record and stuff like that. The song, the song is unique in that you sort of let Kristen sort of take over with the vocals. Yeah. Well, the truth is, is I've actually, I wanted her to sing more leads forever. And also like half the, well, more, I'd say more than half the bands we love have girl lead singers in them. Like one of our favorite bands is called Always and it's like a girl singer and stuff. And so that's like definitely our style. And so, but she be very shy. And so she just kind of, she would always want to, whenever like the mixing process, the last two records we put out, she'd always be like, can you mix me a little more down in the mix? And at some point we'd be like, I can't even hear you. She's like, that means I sound like Barry's been trying to run that on me for years. I was really glad to hear Brad say that though, cause I was just thinking before we came on our first conversation at Camp Nut Butter, that was part of it was Kristen was not overly reluctant, but you kind of had to talk her into being part of it. Right. And then the last time we talked, I didn't know that way more. She, yeah. You don't remember that she was sort of reluctantly. And then the last time we talked and she was like, yeah, I don't have a problem expressing my opinion anymore. And now with this, she's, she's right out front. So it's fun to see that progression. Yeah. Well, I think the world just changed so much this last year. And our perspective has changed so much. And just like, you know, when, when you take away as like an indie artist, when you take away touring and you take away like festivals and any element of like human interaction outside of, you know, her and I, it's like, you realize like it really brings you back to the focus of like, why are we doing this music? You know what I mean? Especially at our level, like, I mean, if you're, you know, if you're huge, you can put out a record now and then hopefully it does well in whatever and not have to tour or anything like that. But at our level, it's like, are we doing this because we love it? Are we doing it? Yeah. You get in the cycle of like you tour and you come home for a few months, you make a record, you put the record out, then you go tour again and you just do it constantly. And it's really easy to like forget why you want to do it. It's easy to forget that sometimes it's okay to like take your time to make art, like because the, the industry and just the commerce of all of it is kind of like, I mean, literally the CEO of Spotify just the other day was like, you know, if you think you can just put out a record every couple of years, you know, and make and get by doing that. But that kind of like denigrates a lot of the idea of art in the first place is like, why can't you take time to create something that you feel really proud of? And if it takes a day, you know, it's like Paul McCartney made a record with one of his bands, like in, they said it to make it in a weekend. If you can do that, that's great, but not always does that happen. So the last record we made in 20 days with Patrick and this record, we were like, take, let's take as long as we want and just make the record we would want to make and not care about the algorithm or if it gets on radio or whatever, like we have to, if the world ends in a year, like we want to die knowing that are the last music we made, we were, we loved ourselves. You know what I mean? Not that we didn't love the old stuff, but there was certainly a mixture of the commerce in that is like, you know, are we writing this? Is this going to be good for radio? Is this going to be good for playlisting and all this stuff? And now we're just this, at least for this record, we're making what we want to make 100% good or bad. So, so with that being said, that kind of changed Kristen's mindset too, cause she's like, we have nothing to lose. So like, let's say whatever we want and like, let's try new things and all that. And that was part of it. And honestly, it feels a little weird because I think for the last couple of records, people have been like, you should, people always come up to me and they're like, you should let Kristen sing more. And I'm like, yeah, I'm not like over here being like, oh, you don't even know what I'm talking about. You don't even know. There was this one time I'll never forget this one time I was in the studio with Jared and Kristen and they started a song. Jared walked over and slapped the microphone right out of her hands. He was so angry. He's a get out of the store. I hear that a lot. I hear that a lot too, Jared, you know, you should get Brad to stop talking so much. Yeah. You know, I, I, I hope to hear her on many more songs and frankly, next, she's on, she's singing lead on like probably half of it. So it's, it's really exciting. We're like trying new things and we have the time to just be at home and our studio and like, and all also like, it's been fun for me cause I get to try new things. So like on the track that you guys just played, I sang the backups and so that's kind of a new world for me in a lot of ways. And we were trying to go for like Beach Boys, harmonies and stuff. And I was like, so I've been looking up how did, you know, Brian Wilson get a lot of his harmonies and stuff on Beach Boys. And I read something that was like two secrets. One, he made all the men sing falsetto and mixed it in the background. And two, I think they said like child abuse or something like that. Those were the two secrets to Brian Wilson's signature sound was, you know what I mean? Like having a child abuse. Which part did you attack first? Yeah. Did you go with the child abuse? It was a terrible childhood. Well, I did falsetto. He also had his cello tins or something. He also had his brother, Carl. So that helps, but. Exactly. Yeah. It sounds like, it sounds like, uh, Kristen had a lot of fun with it too, though. Um, you know, it wasn't just, uh, I mean, it really sounded like she enjoyed doing it. Yeah. Yeah. That's, uh, and as we've been doing more of these songs she's gotten, she's definitely like learned to embrace that too. I don't know, man. Like, uh, Russell, are you married? Uh, not anymore. Only in PBR. Yeah. Okay. So like, there's, there's this thing, I mean, we can, I think we can all relate to this, uh, cause we all have partners is like, I, there's something with like Kristen beats up on herself sometimes, like as an artist, like she'll be like, I'm not, you know, they like downplay it sometimes. And like, I don't know. It was like kind of getting around that. Like at one point she had like her, her sister came up to her and we were like playing, I mean, we've played arenas. Like at one point I was like, we, we played like arenas with the black keys and modest mouse. Like you're definitely should be like, I'm not that good of a singer or whatever. And her sister at one point was like, you need to stop saying that you're not a singer, like embrace it. Like, you know, be proud of it. And I think, but I think, but I think, and you might agree, but if you don't, that's fine. But, uh, it would almost feel like an arena is even easier than sitting in a studio or at the house. It feels so much more vulnerable than an arena where you look out and you see just blackness. Well, I definitely think the studio part you're right about as far as the house part, I think that's what helped us kind of get into a different creative mindset. Cause we've always made records in the studio with producers and that element is really cool and exciting. And it's nice to have somebody else's ear, but you're on their time. A lot of times you're on their property, you're on somebody else's dime and stuff like that. So there's an element of like, if you wanted to, you know, if you're not getting a take and you want to come back in a few hours and have a few drinks and be a little like, you know, tipsy and see if you can loosen up a bit. You don't feel sometimes like you have that creative ability too, because you're dealing with other professionals and you don't want to come off as unprofessional. And that's probably more of a personal thing than like, I'm sure like if Patrick, I'm sure if we were like, Patrick, can we get drunk and then take this song? He would be like, fine. But I mean, I think it's a personal thing. You don't want to seem like you're being unprofessional on somebody else's time. So here, what was nice is we could try it. We could be like, we're not getting this tape. Let's try it in the morning over coffee. And like you're just sitting in pajamas on the couch and like holding the mic, you know, and sometimes when you're in a studio, it's, it can be kind of like sterile, you know, you're like in a booth, you're like literally in a vocal booth. And you have five people standing, you know, you've got the label person behind the board looking at you like this, and you got like the producer and he's sitting there, he's listening. And it's just it can be a very like to somebody who hasn't done it all their life. Like I threw Kristen into this environment like when we met. So I think she's able to feel more comfortable just doing it at home. Like I can just be like, hold this mic, have this coffee. Here's a cat. Now sing this track. I'm drunk on kitty. National cat day, by the way. Last time we talked, you kind of said you learned so much from that last album about how to produce. And so I mean, it sounds like everything you're just saying sort of further emphasizes all that you've learned so much. And now you're to this point. And when you were talking earlier about, and I actually want to ask all three of you, that the whole idea of where it's such a weird time that everybody's kind of rethinking, why are we doing this? You know, there are no rules, you can do whatever you want to do kind of thing that has to be sort of freeing. Right? I mean, isn't that what we're talking about? Is that basically the essence of it all is, do it, do it feels right. Yeah, it's also terrifying because it's like, we came back from the keys tour and started the new year. I mean, we had a few keys tour and started the new year. I mean, we had a couple festivals and some shows booked and stuff, but for the most part, we were going to kind of lay low and we were like, when everything got canceled, you know, and all of that, we realized like, it just, it felt very scary. Like I realized I've spent 25 years of my life just doing music. And if the music industry completely collapsed, I was like, I don't have really any other skills. Like I put, I put everything into this. Like I never planned a fallback plan kind of on purpose, you know, like I read something recently that was like, the worst thing you can do is have a fallback plan, you'll fall back on it. You know what I mean? It's like, if you jump in with both feet, like that part of that fear of falling off the cliff keeps you going. Right. And so that was kind of terrifying. And I realized I wanted to try to learn some new skills. I realized I didn't really have any skills. I was like, what am I good at besides music? And so I picked three things. I picked producing, cause I realized like I've spent more time in studios than I have in college. Like I've spent 10 years in studios, like recording albums and stuff with different bands and stuff. I spent four years in college. So it's like, I have more experience doing that. And I know stuff just by proxy and asking questions. And I have so many producer friends. And then the other two skills I want to learn was woodworking and tattooing, amateur tattooing. So this is, this is, yeah, this is just for him to save money. So he can get himself tattooed. Cause then I'm like, I can work on the house and, uh, and then I don't have to pay for tattoos. Honestly, I think like if we were all good, by the way, why couldn't you just do veterinary skills? Just learn to be a vet because you're spending more money on vet bills than you are anything. That's true. Like if we were all smart guys, we would all like, we would all just get really good at amateur, uh, automobile repair and dentistry. Think of how much money we would say. Amateur dentistry. Yes. That's what I want on my business card. Amateur dentist. That's why I was getting ready to say, here's my pro tip, Jared. I wouldn't put amateur tattooing or amateur dentistry on your, your card or your sign or anything. I'd leave amateur out of. Well, I realized that out of that, the woodworking and the tattooing just came a hobby, which frankly, um, you know, I'm sure you guys being in this industry and stuff, like if you find something you're really passionate about and you do that, um, like Brad, you with radio and stuff, it's like, uh, at some point that becomes your career and then it's not a hobby. You still love it and you're passionate about it, but now you need a new hobby because that's not your hobby anymore, right? It's the thing that pays the bills. So I realized through that the woodworking and the tattooing is just a hobby. One, because I don't want to pursue that career wise, but two, I'm not that good at it yet. Uh, so the producers, I just, I, I can get myself lost in it and we just, it has allowed us to really feel like, I feel like I'm learning stuff. I'm asking questions. I'm watching, uh, tutorials, I'm reading books on it and stuff like that. And so, and all my favorite producers, uh, they all like their whole thing is like, we have no idea what we're doing. We're just making it up as we go. There's a couple of rules to follow and everything else is you just try stuff constantly until something's done. Yeah. Well, as long as you're mastering the ink blot tattoo, I think you're going to be pretty good at the amateur tattoo job. I get myself this shark thin on my, on my pinky. Okay. Wow. Okay. It's not even upside down. That's impressive. I know. I know. Pretty good. When I go on Google, I'm thinking, I want a tattoo. I'm going to go find an amateur tattoo. Let me find the guy that just started. Yeah. First day on the job. All my idiot friends were like, as soon as, because I realized, cause tattoo artists, they're all kind of insular. They all hang out together. When you think of tattoo artists, you think of guys that are covered in tats. They wear all black and they go to like motorcycle rallies, right? Or they go to like heavy metal shows or something, right? You don't know a lot of dudes that are just like, you know, that are just like, Oh, yeah. I play like wispy indie rock music. And like, you know, I like to drink IPAs and I'm a tattoo artist. I don't know. And so all my idiot friends, boy, Jared, that sounds like every tattoo guy. We're like, you got a tattoo gun? Oh man. I will get a tattoo from you. I think they're all cheap skits too. Cause they're like, if it's free, man, I'll get a tattoo from you. So, right. Jared, my point, my point to this is this is the exact same way and how like getting your haircut from friends started. And I was like, Oh, I can, yeah, I can do that. Sure. That's fine. And then everybody's now cutting air. There's a, there's a huge difference though. That hair is going to grow back. Yeah. Well, I got my, I got my first haircut like since COVID started. So it's been almost a year since I had a haircut, like a real one. And like I gave myself haircuts and Kristen gave me and the hair cutting guy that was cutting my hair. He was the barber. He was like, he did that thing that people do when they're like being nice about something that obviously is terrible. So he was like, he's like, look at my hair. He's like, so do you like, do you like your hairstyle to be like longer on one side and shorter on another side? Or whatever? I'm like, you mean like look like crap? No, I don't like that. You mean, do I like cutting it with like a beard trimmer that I use in the bathroom? No, I don't like that. That's just what I do. Yeah. I'm looking for the at home haircut look. Can you give me that, Mr. Professional barber? Yeah. He's like, do you really like terrible hairstyles? Is that your thing just before I start cutting it or whatever? I'm like, no. Is it going to matter what this looks like afterwards? Because if so, I'm your guy. It's the, I hate my parents look. That's what I'm going for. Yeah. Yeah. We call that the Hitler youth cut. We got the Hitler youth cut. All right. So what about the new album? If you've got some things coming out in the 28th, that means you're obviously working towards paring these down from 22 to something. How does that process go? How do you go from 22 to 12? I don't know. We, so many things are in the air. I mean, we, our whole motto right now is to not force it and not rush it. You know what I mean? So these two songs were going to come out a few months ago and then some things happened. We got with new management and talking to some people and whatever. And we just were like, let's just wait a minute. Let's just wait and put it out later. And I'm glad we did. Cause then we waited and then we were going to put it out like three weeks ago, I think. And then we were like, Nope, let's wait a few more weeks and we'll put it out. Just cause we weren't, we were still figuring out if we were going to put it out with this thing or that thing and getting some content ready or whatever. And we would have put it out the day that Taylor Swiss record come out. And we don't want to, we don't want to, you know what I mean? I know Brad knows. Hey, Jared, I, I'm going to, I still think your stuff is better. Well, thank you. So these songs are coming out just because we want something for our fans and our friends to have like in the interim while we're figuring out what we want to do next. But, um, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what I like about it is not just that, that it's a little bit different because Kristen's taking lead on it, but it still feels like you guys, what I like the most about it is that it's not, you know, wrapped up in this COVID sort of thing where everybody's got to write a song about quarantine where everybody's got to have a song that's, you know, ties back to the zeitgeist of the moment. I, I'm already tired of that. I'm already over it. I don't need anything more. That was Kristen's big thing. She was like, I don't want a quarantine song no matter what. That's a good thing. Yeah. So when we're writing lyrics, we're like, we'll be like, uh, yeah, she'll be like, uh, that sounds a little too like quarantine, like low hanging fruit. She says, Hey Jared, Jared, can I read you some feedback? Cause we played this live on YouTube and, uh, Dan Sweeney, one of our Patreons is listening. He said, this makes me feel like I want to lay out in the what field and close my eyes sipping a PBR. That's what he said about when in my sale, the song we played. That's awesome. Well, that's like, that's the perfect, that's the other thing too is, is like, we wanted to make stuff, man, this, the record, like the records all over the place too, because we like, wait, it's funny. We, there are songs where you can tell we, we draw from our influences, like our really like chill influences, our Mac DeMarco influences. There's songs where we're drawing from our like Fiddler and Broncho influences. There's songs. So like there's rock and there's like chill and there's like all this stuff. Um, and so we are just kind of like throwing everything out the window. We're like, we don't know what's going to happen next. We want to put out like a double album. And then it's crazy. It sounds like, cause in our mind, it's like, we have these songs. I don't want to like sit on them for years because we put out, cause the industry says put out 10 or 12. It's like, let's put them all out when we're ready. And then I'll write it. We'll write and make more. Now that we have the tools and the abilities to do it at home, it's like I, the longer I sit on these songs and more, I'm going to be writing more songs and these songs are going to be relevant to my time and place in my life. You know? But I, I actually, I, I actually, I talked to, um, I'm not, I'm not trying to big time anybody, but I was talking to somebody the other day and I asked the question, how many times you've gone back to a song and be like, you know what, I'm going to do this one again. I want to start this one over. Oh, have I? Yeah. I see. That's the thing is like, uh, I come very firmly from like, once it's done, it's done. Let's move on. Cause I feel like, like, uh, it's a time and a place thing too. I mean, like literally we bought some nicer gear. We, we have bought some nicer gear, just even since we recorded that song, since we recorded when in my cell and Christian was like, well, maybe we could use that new microphone and go back and rerecord the vocals. This was like a week ago. The song's already been sent to the distributor and like, it's already mastered and everything, but she's like, maybe we can go and sing with the new microphone. And I was like, no, it's done. Like it's, we all sat in a room and agreed management agreed. Like it is done. It got mastered. It's already sent to the people. I was like, we are not going to capture that magic again. Like of that song, like you're not going to capture that moment that night when you were like sipping scotch and you had the cat on your lap and it was dark and it was stormy outside and you were feeling like chill and we're not going to capture that. It's going to be a different moment. It's not going to be that I'm learning that about production too is like, it has taught me to write differently too, because you realize that you, and it has taught me how to record differently. Cause you're like, you have to capture a moment. Like if you don't capture that moment, you're just not as well be singing like, you know what I mean? I get that, but I'm really interested in this idea because no one's ever done it is taking, you know, maybe an iconic album that they've let's say radio head. They take kid, hey, kid, hey, and they take every track and then they just try to do them over again. Just create a new moment with the same songs. Why has nobody ever thought about this yet? You think that would be any better though? I think it'd be interesting. It'd be different. What? Yeah. Put it in podcast perspective. Are there any episodes you guys would go back and redo? I don't even want to listen to that one at songbirds for sure. Yeah. I like to just, once I'm like, once something is like set and into the motion, I like to move forward and like, I know, but I guess the point is like, I want to create a new moment for, you know, kid day. Now, if it's all about a moment, I'll just take, I'll take tracks one through four and create a whole new moment with them and see where it goes. Now, I might be a terrible idea, but it sounds like I can't believe no one's ever even tried it. No, they actually have. There have been several. I mean, not to disagree. It's interesting because I can't remember who I talked to an artist who redid one of her classic albums. Oh, I'll think of it. Oh, you know what? Here's some, but she did it. She was, she's now 20 something years older. So the songs that she recorded at 21, now that she's had children, marriage, she redid them. They meant something entirely different to her. So that she, uh, she did Jagged Little Pill, like as like more stripped down, she did the whole record front to back and re-released it and, you know, and sold it at Starbucks. So that was kind of weird. She sold it while working at Starbucks. No, it's like, uh, Atlanta's more set now, like 20 years later singing acoustic Jagged Little Pill songs being sold at Starbucks. All the little songs of that are very odd to me. Just come at Starbucks. Can I get a BG, you know, and Jagged Little Pill, but also the fact that it's acoustic seems very strange. You ought to know acoustic seems like a very strange idea to me. She did that. Yeah. What? Man, what? Oh no, I mean, it's a fantastic. What are we going to yell? What are we going to yell at? Is your, is Kristen yelling at us? I'm told to, I'm being told to be sweet. I think it's a very interesting idea. Like you said, oh, that's all I think. It's very interesting. Boy, if she, if she's upset about you for not being sweet, she does not want me to start talking about the Taylor Swift album. Does she not want to hear that? Oh, from the other room. She said she'll fight you. She's literally unity work right now. And she was like, I will fight Brad over Taylor Swift. Um, I, I like the new Taylor Swift album. What? I like the new Taylor Swift album. Yeah. Don't get us started here. Like don't come to our three months. It is, uh, literally Kristen will go through like an entire catalog of Taylor Swift songs before we get out of bed. Like I'll be in bed, like looking at my phone, reading the news. And it'll be like the juxtaposition of like the Democrats and Republicans couldn't agree again on something. And Kristen's in the background and she's like, she'll sing track three for a few minutes. And then she'll sing like track five. The other day I got her on film. She didn't know. And she's singing to our dog. She's singing to our dog. Did you even, did you even give her my theory about this album or is this going to have to be another conversation that I have to explain myself as to why I think this album is total bullshit? Brad, Brad, I don't tell her anything you say. I want to remain on good terms in my marriage. Okay, good. To also remain friends with you. So I don't want to think that you say about Taylor Swift. Don't worry. We will talk about this offline. I think you're a secret closet and TS fan, honestly. I like some of her stuff. I really do. I think this album is a total scam job. I think it's a total scam job. I know her, I know her management too well. It is a total scam job that she's trying to pull off right now. And she's got the money to pull it off. And you know, it's working. It is working. She's got the money to make it work. Jared. Leave it there. Christian's going to start talking. I know. Hey, thank you for letting us release the song. I'm excited that we get to share it with the world. I'm excited to hear the new stuff. And you know, thanks. Thanks for keeping keeping Indie Rock alive in your barn in North Tennessee. Yes. Yeah, thank you. Y'all are so kind to us and everything. And you know, it's, we just, we wanted, part of like feeling very free about this music and about just where our headspace and creative like zone is, is like we, we don't have any like rules to this whole thing. So we were like, screw it. Like we want you guys to like play the song and we appreciate that you guys did it. Yeah. Crew have been very supportive. So we really appreciate that. And there'll be plenty more to come. Like we are very, things are just moving. I feel like excited. I don't know if it's like just all the shit that's going on in the world, but like, uh, it brings something out of you. If you're like sensitive to that stuff in the world, I think that good and bad, but I think it takes that kind of duality to like help create the creativity moving. So we're feeling very creative and that's exciting. You won't have to worry about quarantine songs from us. You won't get a single one. All right. Well, get, he's, uh, they're, they're buying a camper soon and taking a road trip around the country. So come on down and see. All right. Yeah. We're looking for one now, like literally we're supposed to hear back about a log cabin on top of a trailer that we're looking at. So who knows? I can't wait. I can't wait. I'm pulling up to, uh, Nola to come see you, Brad in a log cabin. Bring it. I'm all in. I'm all in. All right. Thanks buddy. So give her a best of Kristen. Bye. Love you guys. Love you. Thank you. Thank you, Jared. Jared, my man, Jared from repeat repeat, uh, getting a little leaked audio from the, uh, from the new album. Uh, when did my sales, the new song, I guess it's out August 28th. Uh, it's fun. It's, it's, it's fun to, to break music. Barry is something on fire. I just blew a candle out. I didn't, you like the ambiance? August 28th. That's my birthday. I get a new song from repeat repeat on my birthday. Do you know, you know, you guys, you guys, you guys give me so much shit about me making it all about me, about me, about me. Have I told you one time when my birthday is, have I even brought that up? No, it's the only thing you haven't brought up, but I really, I hope Jared comes out of his shell at some point. You know, he seemed a little, little sub dude today. He was a little kind of held him back. Um, yeah. When, when the kid discovers coffee, we're really, we're screwed. We are totally screwed. What a great song though. What? And what a cool thing. What a cool thing for him to do that for us. You know, it's very, look, there's, there's a couple of things that I don't like about this industry. Um, and one of them are the artists and, uh, he has been one of the very few that I've, I've really, really taken a liking to and we've become such good friends because everything that you see and everything that you hear is so unbelievably genuine. Um, it's that, that part of it is just incredibly rare in all of this. It just doesn't happen very often. If you remember Brad, when they, when they came to camp nut butter and we did the show, we did, we decided that they were the yes couple, you know, you remember everything about them is yes. Yeah. You know, can you, will you be a guest? Yes. Will you do this? Yes. They actually played for the, uh, the beer. I mean guys, right with the, the rebus. I mean, they're just, they're just great people. And those are the kinds of people I really want to succeed and break through in a very difficult, very difficult time. I don't, I can't even imagine how it's, how it has to work for what we were saying earlier, the, the venue people and the tour people and the cruise and not just the artists, but I think this is, you think of artists and you think of musicians and you think of the ones that are massive. You think of the Taylor Swift and they're going to be fine, but, but the repeat, repeat level guys, it's hard to make a living right now. It was hard to make a living before. How to make a living now is, is just, I can't even imagine how difficult that could be right now. I agree with what you're saying, but I think he sort of addressed that. Um, and I kind of wanted to get into it a little bit deeper and maybe we will later, but what he said was taking advantage of this time to sort of reinvent not just themselves, but their music and how they do things. And I think that's the key. I know, I know, I think that's key. I know, but, but as we've talked about before, and I've said it to him, what happens when, you know, things start to normalize or somebody tries to, uh, then Taylor Swift is there too. Uh, then everybody else, then Frank Ocean will be there. And then who knows, it's going to be an, it's going to be a free for all of, of stuff being released and it's going to drown so many out. Yeah. But he, he has an answer for that too. He's got that tattooing thing. He's setting himself up. I don't know how I miss the big amateur tattoo. Diversification. Yeah. All right guys. Uh, thanks for joining us on the What Podcast for Lord Taco. Barry Courter. I'm proud to talk to you next time with Mitch Ryder. Next episode of Mitch Ryder. That'll be a fun one on the What Podcast. Talk to you later. Love you. Bye. See you guys. Journey through the stories that define the artists playing Bungaroo. Who are they? What are they? What will you see? The what? Which bands this year that matter with Brad Steiner and Barry Courter.