Hello, everybody.

Welcome back to the What Podcast.

I'm Barry.

With me is Lord Taco.

You'll notice that Brad is not here.

He hasn't been for a while.

He's been here for a while.

Have we kicked him out of the club?

Do we want to kick him out?

Are we taking a vote?

Is that what we're doing?

Oh, is this the vote?

I don't know if anyone cares.

Does anybody notice?

No, Brad is, as we've said many times, moved to New York.

And it's caused a little bit of some scheduling issues, but, you know, we'll make it work.

We have plenty to talk about today and in the coming episodes.

Right.

I mean, there's a lot that's happened in the last.

There's a lot that's happened.

And there's a lot that's happened here in town in Chattanooga.

Yeah, that I think, you know, that's where you and I live.

Right.

That I think relates to festivals in general.

And that's why we want to go ahead and put an episode out this week and kind of tease what's coming.

I think.

Right.

And that where I think so.

Yeah, I'm excited for what we've got to come out here.

Yeah, it's pretty incredible.

We'll get into it a little bit.

But Lord Taco and I, along with Brian Stone, friend of the show, we've made fun of Brian for six years.

Right.

He's our favorite foil, I guess.

Yes.

But he was with us, he was with you and I this weekend.

We did some interviews.

We interviewed first of all, the Matt, the Moon River Festival was in Chattanooga this weekend, which is why we're sort of ramping things back up.

You and I and Brian spent some time with Matt Carney on Saturday and also Wild Rivers.

That's right.

Enjoyed talking to all of them.

Devon, Andrew and Khaled from Wild Rivers and Matt just prior had a great time down there Saturday, despite the misty rain and the wet conditions.

And we were lined up to talk to what Band of Horses with Ben and Wilderado.

Wilderado and Sammy Ray.

Sammy Ray.

We were so excited about our Sunday lineup.

And you were already there.

I think you said you were what, two songs into Sammy Ray when the whistle blew?

Yeah.

I got there, you know, kicked off around 1230.

I saw Maggie Rose.

I walked over and saw some of Abraham Alexander with Lindsay and then came back for Sammy Ray.

She just got started, played three or four songs and then made the announcement that she had to stop and we had to leave because there was lightning and thunderstorms in the area.

And so this was around 2.15 to, you know, two ish when they when they made the call.

And that's when I texted you and you were just getting dropped off almost.

I was literally pulling into the Uber drop off line, my daughter and son-in-law. And if I had gone another 15 feet, I would have been abandoned.

And you sent me the note that they were clearing the place out because of thunderstorms.

And that's going to be a big topic of a couple of more episodes for us, because I think what

the folks with Live Nation and C3 and AC Entertainment and the city of Chattanooga and Memorial Auditorium, the Tivoli Foundation, how they reacted to what happened on Sunday is

it might be one of the great stories in music festival lore, at least for this year.

And I think so. And it is. Yeah. And if you organize a festival or want to, this is something to study as far as how to handle this is how you do a weather event.

This is how you do it. Yeah. We've we've on we have on this show been critical of the last two or three, four years.

And I won't get too much into it, but Russ and I had a conversation with some some of the folks involved.

And I had some off the camera conversations. And this is just how you do it.

And let I mean, I'll just go ahead and say it.

Lessons were learned over the last three or four years.

And they did it right. They did some amazing things. But let's just deserve all the credit. Yeah, they really did.

They handled it right. And, you know, to be fair, it's a smaller festival.

It's not 80,000 or even 40,000 people. But still, you know, it's what it was about 10,000 about 10.

Probably got close and, you know, they two stages. Yeah.

But they had a tough, tough, tough decision.

You know, the Bonnaroo last year was an easy call once the call had to be made because they were literally six foot or not six foot, but six inches, 12 inches in water.

This was one of those that it lightning and then it looked like blue skies and then it got cloudy and then it rained.

And, you know, you're thinking we can play, you know, it's classic. Yeah, we can finish this golf match, you know, just right.

Whatever. Yeah. And to be clear, it wasn't just rain. It was lightning and thunder, which was the main concern initially.

And yeah, it wasn't just like one storm. There was several around that kept, you know, poking their heads out.

So it was kind of hard to really get a lot of a lot of a lot of factors.

How do you get everybody back in? And we'll get into all of that in detail.

We we have Drew Holcomb, the co-founder of the event, and Ted Heinegg with AC Entertainment.

We're gracious enough to get on the phone with Russ and I.

We're going to have that and then we're going to talk to some of the folks at the local Tivoli Memorial Auditorium, which managed to put together a pretty cool event.

So we'll get into all that. But we like I said, we wanted to jump back in. We're ready. We've got lots to talk about.

I think today you and I, Russ, we're going to go ahead and run the Matt Carney interview, right?

Yeah, let's get that going today. And then we've got more on the way.

Several more interviews and stuff to talk about. So that you mentioned too. But, yeah, I want to go ahead.

I mentioned Lindsay. Go ahead and tell everybody who Lindsay is, because we ran into several Bonnaroo people.

Yeah, we always run into the same one.

We always run into a family, the Bonnaroo fam, when we do stuff like this.

But yeah, Lindsay was awarded Bonnaroo of any of the year earlier, if you watched that episode.

And he's the one in Winchester with the 12-ish acres of farm that he hosts the Mini-Roos that we've had.

Kind of after Bonnaroo got canceled, he was gracious enough to host a few of us out there to come out and camp and have a good time.

So, you know, in the absence of two years of no Bonnaroo's, we've kind of become friends and just hung out and talked a lot.

He came to Moon River this year as a vendor. He signed up to work the beer tent in VIP, which he did last year.

So he came up for that. And, you know, when the word came out that we had to evacuate, he and I met up and went to the gas station, bought some beer,

and then just sat in the parking garage across the street, sat on his tailgate and just sat there and had a couple beers and hung out, played some music.

And, you know, it was honestly fun. I mean, you know, because what else are you going to do?

And I was going to say, Brad, if he were here, Brad has always said, as long as I've known you and Brad, that Taco is the easiest get along guy ever.

It's like, what do you want to do? I'm in whatever. So I was actually telling my daughter and son-in-law, you know, Taco's in a parking lot drinking a beer.

He's having a good time. And when he said Lindsay's there, I'm like, yeah, he's having a good time.

We weren't suffering, that's for sure. We made the best of it.

And, you know, at this time, of course, he had an inside track with the people, with the vendors. So he was communicating with them.

And everybody seemed to believe that, well, in a couple hours or so, this is going to open back up.

So we just thought, let's just hang tight, let the storm pass, relax, and then we'll jump back in and hopefully see a few more shows.

And the word was about 6 or 6.30, we can go back in.

Well, 6.30 came along, Lindsay went ahead and went on in because he said, well, if they're going to, I probably should help out and set up because if they're going to reopen, you know, we'll need to go back to work.

And then he sent me a text a few minutes later and he said, no, this thing is not happening. I'm packing up.

And so I think that's when I texted you guys. And then I met Brian again and told him, yeah, I don't think it's happening.

And then a few minutes later, that's when the official word came out that it's not opening back up.

So that was on Sunday.

That was Sunday. And I could see, I mean, there was a lot of people around the entrance just waiting, thinking they're going to get in.

Yeah, we've all been at baseball games, we're at the rain delay, and you're looking at the sky and there's a lot of factors.

And we get into that with Ted and Drew and we'll talk to Nick again.

But that was Sunday. But let's go back a little bit to Saturday.

So you and I both got there about what, one o'clock? Yep.

It was a good time. We did those two interviews and hung out.

We talked to a great festival. We caught Bristan Maroney's show there.

He was great, as always. Yeah, he's a friend of the show, three timer.

Who else? I think I saw, I remember I saw Natalie Hemby. Natalie Hemby was there.

Yeah. Drew Holcomb, of course, played Saturday.

Yeah, we watched Drew and Allie do three legged races because it was their son's fourth birthday.

You'll hear that during the Wild Rivers interview. But yeah, it's a neat festival.

It's a, you know, I don't want to get too, too much into it because, you know, if you were there, you were there.

But it's a it's a boutique festival, which means it's in that 10 to 12,000

ticketed, you know, admission. Yeah. Very curated. You know, it's singer songwriters. Yeah.

Great location. I don't think I don't think they officially sold out. No, they did not.

It sure seemed full. I mean, it sure seemed like a packed crowd.

Yeah, I'm going to say somewhere between nine and 10,000.

It seemed every bed is full as previous years when it was 12.

But I don't know how much of that was because there were standing water, you know, in the crowd wasn't able to, you know, maybe be shoulder to shoulder.

But it's a need. It's a downtown festival. It's right on the river.

You walk in, you bike in, you Uber in that sort of thing. So it was a lot of fun.

Yeah, it's very accessible being right downtown. And yeah, a lot of people will come in just for the day.

That's what Daniel and Sharla did. Right. Come in for the weekend.

You could, you know, get a hotel run an Airbnb because it's not camping.

No, no. I mean, you might. Yeah. But no, it's for the most part, if you're from out of town, you get a hotel downtown and you walk in.

I mean, that's part of the allure of it, really. And part of what made Sunday difficult.

So, again, we'll get back into that later. Yes. The pluses and the minuses.

But yeah, I would say that every bar and restaurant and shop on the North Shore that Sunday probably had a good day, whether they wanted to or not.

Yeah. Whether they suddenly got 10,000 people that are just out and are looking for something to do.

So every every little spot was packed and crowded because people just didn't want to weren't ready to go home because we all thought, well, this is going to open back up.

So we'll just hang out for a few hours. Very interesting. Like I said, Brian Stone was kind enough to help us with our shows and we're going to have him on, I hope, an episode very soon because I want to hear what he had to say about Saturday and Sunday, because I think he went to the event Sunday night, as you said.

So, again, there's a lot. I don't mean to short sell today's episode, but there's really a lot that happened on Sunday that I think is relevant to this podcast and the industry, really.

As Russ said, how they handled it is a, you know, should be a roadmap for how you should handle these kinds of things.

I think so. And this is right up our alley. I mean, this is what we kind of started the podcast to talk about.

Exactly. But let's go ahead and do this one. I don't, I don't know about you, Matt. I knew a little bit about Matt before Saturday, but after talking with him. Cool guy. I loved his show. I really liked the Paul Simon.

Great show. Yeah. And that struck me because in the interview, you'll hear him say, you know, I think you kind of asked, well, I guess you started out playing covers. And he said, no, I'm not good at covers. I don't know how. I just don't like it.

And then to follow that up with, we go to his show and he does a great cover of Paul Simon. Fairly well known cover. Dancing band members and everything, right? I mean, choreography.

He's great. Yeah. And, uh, I know, I know he endeared himself to you cause he's a, he's a VW guy.

Apparently so. He saw my VW logo on the shirt and, you know, asked about that. So we started talking and then, uh, yeah, kind of find out we've all had several Volkswagen's. Yeah. All of our first cars basically were, yeah. I had a fast back. You had a, what was it?

I had a notch back and then he said he had the square back. Yeah. That was funny. So you never know, but he was great. Uh, he's a Eugene Oregon guy. So the rainy Saturday he was into, uh, yeah, he, he loved the weather. Yeah.

I liked him. I thought he was great. Um, only thing that I did here is that he started his show a little bit early. Maybe I think he kicked off, uh, before, uh, was it Natalie? I think before Natalie ended, I think he sort of started. Oh yeah.

Natalie was concluding at three 30 and he was supposed to start at three 30. So did he, I had a couple of fans say, why did he start before she was done? But anyway, now we're just picking on stuff. Yeah. Uh, but anyway, he was great. Uh, anything else you wanted to mention to talk about this past weekend? Like I said, we had so much to unpack. Um, yeah, there's a lot. Um, overall it turned into a great weekend. Isn't it funny? You know, I, I talked to Brian.

Uh, stone Saturday morning, I had to go pick up some recording equipment and it was, you know, the weather was iffy. And I think I told him, this is either going to be the worst day ever or a great day. And he said, it's going to be a good day. And it was a great day. It was Sunday was with Brian. Yeah.

Yeah. Something's happened to that boy. I don't, I don't know. I don't know who's gotten the hold of him. Cause he, even on Sunday, he was like, man, I'm so excited to do these interviews. And then we got rained out. Um, yep. He was upset that we got, had our interviews scrapped, but, uh, you know, he still ended up having a good time. He, he came and hung out with us in the parking garage for a little bit before we went in.

Well, had I, you know, but I got in there five minutes earlier. That's probably what I would have been doing.

Yep. Lindsay even offered him, uh, I think he had a sour and he offered it to Brian. He said, you want a beer? He said, Oh, what kind is that? I'll probably hate it. And he said, I'll give it to me anyways. And he opened it up and drank it. And he thought, I don't hate that. So I don't know what's gotten into him. Something is bad, bad, bad.

Bad. Bad. Yeah. The curmudgeon is a softening up a little bit. Definitely. But, uh, again, the reason we, you know, Brad's not here is we just have so much information that we need to get to in the next couple of weeks. And, um, we just felt like we needed to go ahead and get started.

We did. And he will join us. He'll be back in the, in the coming episodes. Absolutely. I hope he'll be back next week. It's, uh, it's nothing other than just scheduling. Um, yeah, he's got a lot going on and going to a bunch of shows.

Yeah. To his credit. I mean, he's having a great time in New York. His new job is going really well. And he's, we should probably mention you because people have probably seen it on Facebook. His new best friend. Oh yeah. Yeah. His, uh, his new BFF Bill. What's his name? Bill Murray. Bill Murray. I think his actor. Yeah. It's like an older guy.

He'd been in a few things you might've heard. Yeah. Yeah. They were hanging out this past weekend. So Brad is very busy. Um, and can't wait to get back and talking to him and, um, talking about, uh, I really want to have him, uh, and he will join us to talk about Sunday.

Again, I keep teasing that. Yeah. Uh, again, what C3 and live nation and AC entertainment and drew Holcomb with moon river, uh, what they did. Um, it was pretty cool. It was very, very cool. And they made a, they made a whole lot of people very happy after a bad situation. So hopefully it'll be a blueprint.

I think so. And I think that could be the difference between somebody saying I'm never coming back to Chattanooga versus I'll be back next year. Sure. Because of how they handled it. Sure. Yeah. So we'll, we'll leave it there. We'll get to it next week. Um, but any, anything else? Uh, taco before we listen to, uh, Matt Carney. Yeah. Let's, let's go to Matt Carney.

I've known drew for a long time, um, who started it and have begged borrowed and steal to try to get on here. So this is my lucky year. Um, yeah, I'm really excited. This is like really, really beautiful.

I was going to ask if you knew drew one of the things that, uh, I've been fortunate and talked to him over the years since he brought this here to Chattanooga from Memphis. He always seems to book people. He likes friends of his.

Uh, well, I would, it seems like that. Yeah. He's good at creating like a family kind of, yeah, it does feel like I know a lot of the bands I've written with some of the artists. Um, I've hung out with them. We've talked about doing tours together.

So that is pretty cool. Yeah. You know, it is like, it does feel like everyone's connected, which I may, I think the, I think people feel that, you know, when they come and they're the people are fans of each other and they've artists have toured together.

I think so people feel that right. Yeah. Oh, definitely. I feel it. Yeah. Right. I mean, that's the goal. And you're like going on tour, you can just take out an opener sometimes and it's like, okay, this works.

And it's definitely different than when like there's a relationship and then the people in the audience can feel that too. You know, like I, I, over the years I've interviewed several of the bands that like winter jam.

And I remember some years ago talking to him and they were like, you know what, we just decided we're going to book people we like if we're going to be around them for a long time. You know, it's the thing. Yeah.

The longer I do this. Yeah. I have really talented musicians in my band, but I also, if we, you gotta just like being around people because you spend a lot of your time on the road. Yeah. Those bus rides can be long. Right. Yeah, man.

If the, if you got that annoying, just the person that's not choosing to fit in with everyone, that's doesn't matter how good your licks are. You know, that's right. You're like, bro. That's right. 90 minutes or 60 minutes.

The rest of the time we're angry. We got 22 hours and 30 minutes. We got to spend together outside of that time. Yeah, exactly. Right. I wanted to ask you about your career and your career arc.

Really, a lot of artists and musicians grow and change and all that. But one of the things I thought was kind of interesting in learning more about you and listening to music is started out doing covers like I guess a lot of people do and then sort of figured out what was working for you.

Right. I mean,

well, I want to go with your story, but actually I literally have can't play covers and never have never. I don't know. Yeah. No, no, I like it. I wanted to go there with you. But no, I literally started writing music because I was so bad at covers.

I didn't. That's what I, there you go. Yes. I didn't mean you were making a living at it. No, but I mean, no, I mean, as in like I,

I was an English major in college and didn't start doing music until I was in college really. And I was always good at writing and I always knew that I could put words together was kind of how I didn't fail high school was if I had to write a paper, I could get through it.

So my roommate had a guitar and I started. Honestly, I just would try to learn whatever Dave Matthews was doing at the time, or somebody and I was like, this is too hard.

So I just play a couple chords and say some stuff you know like three chords and the truth was like kind of how I started three chords and the truth. Right. You know, I mean, that's that was the goal at least. And so to this day I still we do a couple covers will maybe do on the night.

But I'm there hard for me because yeah, kind of a one trick pony. That is what I read and that's I just thought it was interesting for you to figure it out. It's kind of like I always find it fascinating how an artist can realize what their talents are.

Maybe it's a voice they have a certain voice you know they might want to try to sing like Otis Redding but can't. Yeah. You know, so you go with what you can do. Right. I mean, I totally artists I love.

And it's probably because I'm one of them, but I tend to be drawn towards artists that sometimes even have a limited kind of skill set, but they do it really well you know like Johnny Cash or Bob Dylan or yeah, those would be like, even like, I grew up with a lot of YouTube and stuff like the edge had his pedals and like, he did his thing and he, you wouldn't put them in on any session, but bands like that were like, they kind of do their thing and they just stick to it.

And limitations sometimes become really beautiful. And so yes, I would definitely put that in. I am one of those that was like, I had these parameters I was learning how to sing I knew I could kind of use spoken word and some like stories, but I couldn't lean on just my chops, and I had to grow those as I've been touring over the years.

But yeah, limitations are cool. I think people do interesting things with it's recognizing them and then kind of working with it is where I was going with this sort of thing is, like I said, I, I, I know I've interviewed artists who want to be doing something else and then they finally figure it out or whatever.

Yeah, in your head. How do you think, where do you think you are. Have you, did you have that sort of. Here's what I want to do.

I mean, here's what I interesting, like, that is a really interesting question as in like, I think contentment is an interesting journey. Also, it maybe speaks to what you're talking about like, I do love the chase. My me my band always talk about this.

Steve my drummer Steve Gould is a super talented drummer. We are we love to like talk about the shows and analyze them and we always have like a power after the show and it's like this hunger to kind of what could we have done better or what did we do that was awesome or just we

like to post show always talk about him and he's like, you just kind of like the hunt, don't you like you don't even like to kill you like the like journey of like searching for something and like. So that is a very real thing in my own life to a fault sometimes you're like, always.

You're never just like hey this is great. And, and I think the more I've done this in my arc.

It's good so I think what I do and trying to do it and being content with it is like, made me such a better performer and I've enjoyed it so much more. I don't even know if that was your question.

It's just, it's that it to me it's the difference in the chase I guess I always ask an artist, you know, how they feel about the latest album. It sounds like such a silly tripe kind of question but there's anyone ever like, I hate it.

I mean, I really, I really know I generally.

Dislike.

I love to kind of do different things so one record if one records one way I tend to have a knee jerk reaction to try to do something that's like a little different just for my own creative curiosity, you know, like I was never doing the same thing, you know, and every time I've tried to kind of chase something before it's usually never successful.

So then I get really frustrated with whatever those moments are where you're like, Oh, you're trying to emulate that one song that was really big, and it never works. So it's always like, whenever you're swinging the other way and like okay what are we just doing because we love.

And it's always tend to be the moments that really resonate for a long time, but, but it does change all the time, like it does and it, I've done this enough times that I've interviewed bands, multiple times. So one album will be the, you know, overproduced we're going to spend 12 months doing everything

else and we're going to go back to our roots and do an acoustic set or a hard rock set or something. So it just changed. I think you have to have a couple albums under your belt to before you can like literally admit to yourself as an artist that like, I missed it on that one, because we know

you're going to do it before records you can't be like right right right a quarter of my career, I was a phony. No, or like, but I do think when you do the longer you do it, you can look back and be like, those moments weren't as successful.

And you have to figure out why like maybe I was, I was trying to get put on a hat that didn't fit or I was trying to listen to the audience too much or management or producer had too much power or did not enough power.

I wasn't listening to my band enough I don't know you know there's, there is those interesting journeys you have, you look back at your projects and.

And you like learn from them.

And I think this is a question I asked a little bit earlier in your head how do you, do you think you're.

This is what you want.

Yeah sound to be. I really proud of.

Yeah, I think I really.

I don't know how it's to do it then like, if you don't love it.

Yeah, your test market if your test market is you in the studio, or with a guitar. And if you don't love it.

I mean like, it's like a dude making an ice cream for an ice cream shop and he's like well I think people like chocolate strawberry, and you taste you're like, I don't really like this.

But people buy it like this. That's not a good start you gotta be like, I love this ice cream, like you gotta be like yo you gotta taste my ice cream.

This is the best item you ever had and if you don't believe that you have to believe it. Yeah, your test market is not you're already a recruitment always says, if you don't love it you're already starting in a deficit like maybe someone else will like it.

You're doing something I don't know. I'd yeah I don't.

I just try to love it. And if you're, if you're a big fan of it you're.

You also kind of can't lose because you're doing something you love.

And last question for me really what does weather like this, what does it do to do this as a.

Talk about the monitor experience. Yeah, you're camping, you're committed. Yeah, you're in, and the, and the artists seem to know that you know you know you got an audience that wants to be there.

That is committed that is, yeah, hardcore, does this things like days like this does it sort of impact that at all or I mean, what do we got we got some like overcast definitely overcast little wet, what is it 70.

71. Yeah, I see now you're talking to a kid I grew up in Eugene Oregon. Good point. So, this is like, this is a solid eight months of my year.

So, I am like, this is actually.

I, the one thing I like about this isn't is the fatigue of like just heat, like it that's a, it's a beat down for people to be in we played hinterland this year and it was 100, it was the hottest show I've ever played it was like in heat index of 109.

And there was like, I made this joke about this tree that was like, there's one tree in the middle of the crowd and I was like, this is the most coveted tree. This tree has lived its whole life for this everyone was in the shade it was like it was literally like, like a refugee

boat like stacked into the shade of this tree. Yeah, and I, I tried to run out there to the tree and I literally almost passed out which was a terrible idea. But, um, I don't know something about this kind of weather, I find it comforting because I'm used to overcast.

And like lights look better. Like, you know, there's like, everybody's kind of chilling there's like a little melancholy to it which I love. I'm like, we're out we could be here all day.

Nice, you drink, you don't have to like drink 64 ounces of water or you'll die, kind of deal. Yeah, we're familiar with that heat I've seen like the tree where people would sit and line up and as a shadow move.

Yeah, man. I know this is beautiful. I mean I was, it's a little bit of a bummer when you're watching the radar you're like, I hope it doesn't rain like poor when we're playing that's never fun right, but this feels pleasant.

I'm nice. I mean, very cool. Me too. Yeah, if it stays like this all day we're gonna be fine. It's gonna be great.

You have any other questions I've dominated, as I always do. Yeah, I think I think I'm just looking forward to you set. Love it. You're a Westphalia you have a Westphalia van. Yeah, yeah. He's got a Volkswagen shirt on. Russ with the bus. Russ with the bus.

And yeah, bring it to Bonnaroo. What year? 1978. 78. Yeah, year I was born. Year before I was born. Don't tell anybody. It's got the bed up. Yeah, it's pop top camper, the rooftop tent, couch, everything.

My first car was a 68 square back. My dad let me buy it was like, they kind of look like a station wagon. Yeah, but they're little. Yeah, it's a little tiny station wagon. I had a notch back, which was the sedan. Yeah, those are cool. Mine was a fastback. Oh, you had the fastback. We had them all covered. All three.

There was one other one too. I think they did for the there was one year where they had another one I thought that was a weird one. The fastback was rounded. Yeah, that was back was like the sedan. Yes. And we did have more cover us that it had to be imported that. Okay, those are the ones that are hard to get.

They're real hard. Those are like the. Yeah, I was awesome. I drove it. I ran out of oil one day. And we had to. Yeah, it was bad. Well ours we had a driveway that went up a hill. And I don't remember it was me and my brother didn't know how to do clutch very well so it got stuck halfway up.

We had to get a neighbor to come. Yeah, we learned. Matt, thank you so much for your time. Always a pleasure. Yes, it's one of your set and pleasure to meet you and and appreciate you giving us so much time honor to be here.

All right.

Thank you guys.

Yeah, there you go. So that was Matt Carney. Like I said, really nice guy right I enjoyed talking to him. I did too I would hang out with him all day. Yeah, I got the feeling that once the microphones off he he wanted to talk some more VW.

He kind of did. Yeah. Nice guy and it was a really fun show like I said it was surprised me I had listened to some of his music and I thought it was a little more spoken word sort of rap oriented but it was very much a lot of vocals and the band was was very prominent and like we said, the Paul Simon call me out was totally unexpected.

It was and I think his his show was one of my highlights of the weekend. Yeah, I agree. I didn't even ask you that. Yeah, what was it what was your highlight.

I would say him and bristen were up there.

Natalie him be was also really good.

Saturday or Sunday, Sammy Ray.

She was really good. And I was her.

For her two songs and I was excited because I was like oh we're about to go, you know, interview her. And then of course it got scrapped so I felt bad for her that her set got cut short but she was able to go and perform at the memorial that night when they announced the, the

the makeup concert so she she got to. I'm sure she had a great time there too. I have a feeling and that's why I, I think that's why I reached out to you Monday morning, and kept pushing I have a feeling this is going to be one of these events that we're going to talk about

for a long long time so I think so, and I think those bands they were all so nice.

Tomorrow, not next week, but it'll it'll happen so at some point, and who knows some of these people you might see on the bottom line up in a year or two, you just never know. And hopefully that will, they will remember that we tried to talk to them.

So, I hope so.

All right. All right, man. Well thanks it is great hanging out and great hanging out today.

Thanks to be back. Yeah, we've kind of been on a little hiatus but want to get back into it we got a lot to talk about. So, I think you're exactly subscribe if you're not already.

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