Barry and Lord Taco attended the Moon River Festival along with Bryan Stone in Chattanooga this past weekend. Sunday could have been a disaster when heavy rain and lightning forced the event to end early and evacuate the park, but the organizers pivoted and were able to offer attendees an amazing indoor concert at a nearby venue at the last minute. This is a great festival success story in light of weather-related incidents from the past few years. Also in this episode, we sat down with Moon River performer Mat Kearney before his set on Saturday and find out which car all three of us used to own in the past.
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Topic: Moon River
Guest: Mat Kearney
| 22:52 | Mat Kearney shares how he realized doing Dave Matthews covers was not going to be his future in music. |
| 28:26 | Barry and Lord Taco attended the Moon River Festival in Chattanooga and sat down with Mat Kearney, who shared his thoughts on evaluating his own records. |
Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the What Podcast. I'm Barry. With me is Lord Taco. You'll notice that Brad is not here or hasn't been for a while. Have we kicked him out of the club? Do we want to kick him out? Are we taking a vote? Is that what we're doing? Oh, is this the vote? Oh, I don't know if anyone cares. Does anybody notice? No, Brad is, as we've said many times, moved to New York. And it's caused a little bit of some scheduling issues. But we'll make it work. We have plenty to talk about today and in the coming episodes. Right? I mean, there's a lot that's happened in the last. There's a lot that's happened. And there's a lot that's happened here in town in Chattanooga. Yeah, that I think, you know, that's where you and I live. Right. That I think relates to festivals in general. And that's why we want to go ahead and put an episode out this week and kind of teach what's coming. I think. Right. And that where I think so. Yeah, I'm excited for what we've got to come out here. Yeah, it's pretty incredible. We'll get into it a little bit. But Lord Taco and I, along with Brian Stone, friend of the show, we've made fun of Brian for six years. Right. He's our favorite foil, I guess. Yes. But he was with us. He was with you and I this weekend. We did some interviews. We interviewed first of all, the Matt, the Moon River Festival was in Chattanooga this weekend, which is why we're sort of ramping things back up. You and I and Brian spent some time with Matt Carney on Saturday and also Wild Rivers. That's right. Enjoyed talking to all of them. Devin, Andrew and Khaled from Wild Rivers and Matt just prior had a great time down there Saturday despite the misty rain and the wet conditions. And we were lined up to talk to what Band of Horses with Ben and Wilderado. Wilderado and Sammy Ray. We were so excited about our Sunday lineup and you were already there. I think you said you were what, two songs into Sammy Ray when the whistle blew? I was, yeah. I got there, you know, kicked off around 1230. I saw Maggie Rose. I walked over and saw some of Abraham Alexander with Lindsay and then came back for Sammy Ray. We just got started, played three or four songs and then made the announcement that she had to stop and we had to leave because there was lightning and thunderstorms in the area. And so this was around 2.15, 2 ish when they made the call. And that's when I texted you and you were just getting dropped off almost. I was literally pulling into the Uber drop-off line, my daughter and son-in-law. If I'd have gone another 15 feet, I would have been abandoned. And you sent me the note that they were clearing the place out because of thunderstorms. And that's going to be a big topic of a couple of more episodes for us because I think what the folks with Live Nation and C3 and AC Entertainment and the city of Chattanooga and Memorial Auditorium, the Tivoli Foundation, how they reacted to what happened on Sunday is, it might be one of the great stories in music festival lore, at least for this year. I think so. And if you organize a festival or want to, this is something to study as far as how to handle a weather event. This is how you do it. We have on this show been critical of the last two or three, four years. I won't get too much into it, but Russ and I had a conversation with some of the folks involved. And I had some off-the-camera conversations. And this is just how you do it. I mean, I'll just go ahead and say it. Lessons were learned over the last three or four years. And they did it right. They did some amazing things, but let's just- They deserve all the credit. Yeah, they really did. They handled it right. And to be fair, it's a smaller festival. It's not 80,000 or even 40,000 people, but still. No, it's what? It was about 10,000? About 10. That's kinda right. Probably got close. And they- It's two stages. Yeah. But they had a tough, tough, tough decision. You know, the Bonnaroo last year was an easy call once the call had to be made because they were literally six foot, or not six foot, but six inches, 12 inches in water. This was one of those that it lightning, and then it looked like blue skies, and then it got cloudy, and then it rained. And you're thinking, we can play. It's classic. We can finish this golf match. Just keep- Right. Yeah, and to be clear, it wasn't just rain. It was lightning and thunder, which was the main concern initially. And yeah, it wasn't just like one storm. There was several around that kept poking their heads out, so it was kinda hard to really get an angle on it. A lot of factors. How do you get everybody back in? And we'll get into all of that in detail. We have Drew Holcomb, the co-founder of the event, and Ted Heinig with AC Entertainment. We're gracious enough to get on the phone with Russ and I, and we're gonna have that. And then we're gonna talk to some of the folks at the local Tivoli Memorial Auditorium, which managed to put together a pretty cool event. So we'll get into all that. But we, like I said, we wanted to jump back in. We're ready. We've got lots to talk about. I think today, you and I, Russ, we're gonna go ahead and run the Matt Carney interview, right? Yeah, let's get that going today. And then we've got more on the way, several more interviews and stuff to talk about. So that's what we're looking forward to. I wanted to go ahead. You mentioned Lindsay. Go ahead and tell everybody who Lindsay is, because we ran into several Bonnaroo people. Yeah. We always seem to run into the same ones. We always run into, yeah, family, the Bonnaroo fam when we do stuff like this. But yeah, Lindsay was awarded Bonnaroo of any of the year earlier, if you watched that episode. And he's the one in Winchester with the 12-ish acres of farm that he hosts the Mini-Roos that we've had. Right. Kind of after Bonnaroo got canceled, he was gracious enough to host a few of us out there to come out and camp and have a good time. So you know, in the absence of two years of no Bonnaroo's, we've kind of become friends and just hung out and talked a lot. So he came to Moon River this year as a vendor. He signed up to work the beer tent in VIP, which he did last year. So he came up for that. And you know, when the word came out that we had to evacuate, he and I met up and met up and went to the gas station, bought some beer, and then just sat in the parking garage next across the street, sat on his tailgate and just sat there and had a couple beers and hung out, played some music. And you know, it was it was honestly fun. I mean, you know, because what else are you going to do? And I was going to say, Brad, if he were here, Brad has always said, as long as I've known you and Brad, that taco is the easiest get along guy ever. It's like, what do you want to do? I'm in whatever. So I was actually telling my daughter and son-in-law, you know, tacos in a parking lot drinking a beer. He's having a good time. And he said, Lindsay's there. I'm like, yeah, he's having a good time. I mean, we weren't suffering. That's for sure. We made the best of it. And you know, at this time, it could, of course, he had an inside track with the people, with the vendors. So he was communicating with them and everybody seemed to believe that, well, in a couple hours or so, this is going to open back up. So we just thought, let's just hang tight, let the storm pass, relax, and then we'll jump back in and hopefully see a few more shows. And the word was about six or six thirty, we can go back in. Well, six thirty came along. Lindsay went ahead and went on in because he said, well, if they're going to, I probably should help out and set up because if they're going to reopen, you know, we'll need to go back to work. And then he sent me a text a few minutes later and he said, no, this thing is not happening. I'm packing up. And so I think that's when I texted you guys. And then I met Brian again and told him, yeah, I don't think it's happening. So and then a few minutes later, that's when the official word came out that it's not opening back up. And so that was on Sunday. That was Sunday. And I could see, I mean, there was a lot of people around the entrance just waiting, thinking they're going to get in. So yeah, we've all I mean, you know, we've all been at baseball games where it's a rain delay and you're looking at the sky and you there's a lot of factors. And we get into that with Ted and Drew and we'll talk to Nick again. But that was Sunday. But let's go back a little bit to Saturday. So you and I both got there about what one o'clock. Yep. It was a good time. We did those two interviews and hung out. We talked to a great festival. We caught Bristan Maroney show there. He was great as always. Yeah, he's a friend of the show. Three timer to the show. Who else? I think I saw I saw Natalie Himbie. Natalie Himbie was there. Yeah. And Drew Holcomb, of course, played Saturday. Yeah, we watched Drew and Ali do three legged races because it was their fourth birthday. You'll hear that during the Wild Rivers interview. But yeah, it's a neat festival. It's a you know, I don't want to get too, too much into it because, you know, if you were there, you were there. But it's a it's a boutique festival, which means it's in that 10 to 10 to 12000. Ticketed you know, admission. Yeah, very curated. You know, it's singer songwriters. Yeah. Great. I don't think I don't think they officially sold out. No, they did. It sure seemed full. I mean, it's just like a packed crowd. Yeah, I'm going to say somewhere between nine and ten thousand. It seemed every bit as full as previous years when it was 12. But I don't know how much of that was because there were standing water, you know, and the crowd wasn't able to, you know, maybe be shoulder to shoulder. But it's a need. It's a downtown festival. It's right on the river. You walk in, you bike in, you Uber in that sort of thing. So it was a lot of. It's very accessible being right downtown. And yeah, a lot of people will come in just for the day. That's what Daniel and Charlotte did. Right. Come in for the weekend. You could get a hotel, rent an Airbnb because it's not camping. No, no. I mean, you might. Yeah. But no, it's for the most part, if you're from out of town, you get a hotel downtown and you walk in. I mean, that's part of the allure of it, really. And part of what made Sunday difficult. So again, we'll get back into that later. That's the pluses and the minuses, but yeah, I would say that every bar and restaurant and shop on the North shore that Sunday probably had a good day, whether they wanted to or not. Yeah. Whether they suddenly got 10,000 people that are just out and are looking for something to do. So yeah, every, every little spot was packed and crowded because people just didn't want to weren't ready to go home because we all thought, well, this is going to open back up. So we'll just hang out for a few hours. Very interesting. All right. And like I said, Brian Stone was kind enough to help us with our shows and we're going to have him on, I hope in an episode very soon because I want to hear what he had to say about Saturday and Sunday because I think he went to the event Sunday night, as you said. So he did. There's a lot, I don't mean to short sell today's episode, but we, there's really a lot that happened on Sunday that I think is relevant to this podcast and the industry really. As Russ said, how they handled it is a, you know, should be a roadmap for how you should handle these kinds of things. I think so, and this is right up our alley, I mean, this is what we kind of started the podcast to talk about. Exactly. But let's go ahead and do this one. Uh, I don't, I don't know about you, Matt. I knew a little bit about Matt before Saturday, but after talking with him, uh, cool guy, I loved his show. I really liked the, uh, Paul Simon. Great show. Yeah. And that, that struck me because in the interview you'll hear him say, you know, I think you kind of asked, well, I guess you started out playing covers and, and he said, no, I'm not good at covers. I don't know how I'm, you know, I just don't like it. And then to follow that up with, we go to his show and he does a great cover of Paul Simon fairly well known cover, dancing band members and everything. Right. I mean, choreography is great. Yeah. And, uh, I know, I know he endeared himself to you cause he's a, he's a VW guy. Apparently so. He had a VW logo on the shirt and you know, asked about that. So we started talking and then, uh, yeah, kind of find out we've all had several Volkswagen's. Yeah. All of our first cars basically were, I had a fast back. You had a, what was it? I had a notch back and then he said he had the square back. Yeah. That was funny. So you never know, but he was great. Uh, he's a Eugene Oregon guy. So the rainy Saturday he was into, uh, yeah. He, he loved the weather. Yeah. I liked him. I thought he was great. Um, only thing that I did here is that he started his show a little bit early. Maybe I think he kicked off, uh, before, uh, was it Natalie? I think before Natalie ended, I think he sort of started, you know, whatever. Natalie was concluding at three 30 and he was supposed to start at three 30. So did he? I had a couple of fans say, why did he start before she was done? But anyway, now we're just picking on stuff. Yeah. Uh, but anyway, he was great. Uh, anything else you wanted to mention to talk about this past weekend? Like I said, we had so much to unpack. Um, yeah, there's a lot. Um, overall it turned into a great weekend. Isn't that funny? You know, I, I talked to Brian, uh, stone Saturday morning. I had to go pick up some recording equipment and it was, you know, the weather was iffy. And I think I told him, this is either going to be the worst day ever or a great day. And he said, it's going to be a good day. And it was a great day. It was Sunday was with Brian. Yeah. Something's happened to that boy. I don't, I don't know. I don't know who's gotten ahold of him because he, even on Sunday, he was like, man, I'm so excited to do these interviews. And then we got rained out. Um, yeah, he was upset that we got, had our interviews scrapped, but, uh, you know, we, he still ended up having a good time. He, he came and hung out with us in the parking garage for a little bit before we went in. Well, had I, you know, if I got in there five minutes earlier, that's probably what I would have been doing. But yeah, Lindsay even offered him, uh, I think he had a sour and he offered it to Brian. He said, you want a beer? He said, Oh, what kind is that? I'll probably hate it. And he said, Oh, give it to me anyways. And he opened it up and drank it and he thought, I don't hate that. So I don't know what's gotten into him. Something is bad, bad, bad. Yeah. The curmudgeon is a softening up a little bit. Definitely. But, uh, again, the reason we, you know, Brad's not here is we just have so much information that we need to get to in the next couple of weeks. And, um, we just felt like we needed to go ahead and get started. We did. And he will join us. He'll be back in the, in the coming episodes. Absolutely. I hope he'll be back next week. It's a, it's nothing, uh, other than just scheduling. Um, yeah, he's got a lot going on and going to a bunch of shows. Yeah. To his credit. I mean, he's having a great time in New York. His new job is going really well and he's, yeah, we should probably mention you cause people have probably seen it on Facebook. Uh, his new best friend. Um, oh yeah. Yeah. His, uh, his new BFF Bill. What's his name? Bill Murray. Is that his name? Bill Murray, I think is an actor. Yeah. It's like an older guy. He'd been in a few things you might've heard. Yeah. They were hanging out this past weekend. So Brad is very busy. Um, and can't wait to get back and talking to him and, um, talking about, uh, I really want to have him, uh, and he will join us to talk about Sunday again. I keep teasing that. Yeah. Again, what C3 and live nation and AC entertainment and drew Holcomb with moon river, uh, what they did. Um, it was pretty cool. It was very, very cool. And they made a, they made a whole lot of people very happy after a bad situation. So hopefully it'll be a blueprint. I think so. And I think that could be the difference between somebody saying I'm never coming back to Chattanooga versus I'll be back next year because of how they handled it. Sure. Yeah. So we'll, we'll leave it there. We'll get to it next week. Um, but any, anything else, uh, taco before we listen to, uh, Matt Carney, you know, let's, let's go to Matt Carney. I've known Drew for a long time, um, who started it and have begged borrowed and steal to try to get on here. So this is my lucky year. Um, yeah, I'm really excited. This is like really, really beautiful. I was going to ask if you knew Drew, one of the things that, uh, I've been fortunate to talk to him over the years since he brought this here to Chattanooga from Memphis, he always seems to book people he likes friends of his. Uh, well, I would, it seems like. Yeah. He's good at creating like a family kind of, yeah, it does feel like I know a lot of the bands I've written with some of the artists. Um, I've hung out with them. We've talked about doing tours together. So that is pretty cool. Yeah. You know, it is like, it does feel like everyone's connected, which I may, I think the, I think people feel that, you know, when they come and they're, the people are fans of each other and they've artists have toured together. I think so. People feel that. Right. Yeah. Oh, definitely. I feel it. Yeah. Right. I mean, that's the goal. And you're like going on tour, you can just take out an opener sometimes and it's like, okay, this works. And it's definitely different than when like there's a relationship and then the people in the audience can feel that too. You know, like over the years I've interviewed several of the bands at like winter jam. And I remember some years ago talking to them and they were like, you know what, we just decided we're going to book people we like. If we're going to be around them for a long time, you know, that's the thing. Yeah. The longer I do this. Yeah. I have really talented musicians in my band, but I also, you gotta just like being around people cause you spend a lot of your time on the road. Yeah. Those bus rides can be long, right? Yeah, man. If the, if you got that annoying, just the person that's not choosing to fit in with everyone, that's doesn't matter how good your licks are. You know, you're like, bro, that's right. 90 minutes or 60 minutes. The rest of the time we're angry. We got 22 hours and 30 minutes. We got to spend together outside of that time. That's exactly right. I wanted to ask you about your career and your career arc really. A lot of artists and musicians grow and change and all that. But one of the things I thought was kind of interesting in learning more about you and listening to your music is started out doing covers like I guess a lot of people do and then sort of it figured out what was working for you. Right? I mean, well, I want to go with your story, but actually I literally have can't play covers and never have. So I don't know. Yeah. No, no, I like it. I wanted to go there with you, but no, I literally started writing music because I was so bad at covers. I didn't, there you go. Yes. I didn't mean you were making a living at it. No, but I mean, no, I mean, as in like I was an English major in college and didn't start doing music until I was in college really. And I was always good at writing and I always knew that I could put words together. It was kind of how I didn't fail high school was if I had to write a paper, I could get through it. So my roommate had a guitar and I started, honestly, I just would try to learn whatever Dave Matthews was doing at the time or somebody. And I was like, this is too hard. Should I just play a couple of chords and say some stuff? You know, like three chords and the truth was like kind of how I started. Three chords and the truth. Right? You know, I mean, that's, that was the goal at least. And so to this day, I still, we do a couple of covers. We'll maybe do one tonight, but I'm, they're hard for me because kind of a one trick pony. That is what I read. And that's, I just thought that was interesting for you to figure it out. It's kind of like, I always find it fascinating how an artist can realize what they're talents are. Maybe it's a voice. They have a certain voice. You know, they might want to try to sing like Otis Redding, but can't, you know, so you go with what you can do. Right? I mean, I totally artists I love and it's probably because I'm one of them, but I tend to be drawn towards artists that sometimes even have a limited kind of skillset, but they do it really well. You know, like Johnny Cash or Bob Dylan or those would be like, even like I grew up with a lot of you two and stuff like the edge had his pedals and like he did his thing and he you wouldn't put them in on any session, but bands like that were like, they kind of do their thing and they just stick to it. And limitations sometimes become really beautiful. And so yes, I would definitely put that in. I am one of those that was like, I had these parameters. I was learning how to sing. I knew I could kind of use spoken word and some like stories, but I couldn't lean on just my chops and I had to grow those as I've been touring over the years. But yeah, limitations are cool. I think people do interesting things with it. It's recognizing them and then kind of working with it is where I was going with this sort of thing is like I said, I, I, I know I've interviewed artists who want to be doing something else and then they finally figure it out or whatever. Yeah. In your head, how do you think, where do you think you are? Have you, did you have that sort of, here's what I want to do. Ah, I mean, here's what I. Interesting. Like, that is a really interesting question as in like, I think contentment is an interesting journey also. It maybe speaks to what you're talking about. Like I, I do love the chase. Me and my band always talk about this, our Steve, my drummer, Steve Gould, he's a super talented drummer. We love to like talk about the shows and analyze them and we always have like a powwow after the show and it's like this hunger to kind of what could we have done better or what did we do that was awesome or just we post show always talk about him and he's like, you just kind of like the hunt, don't you? Like you don't even like the kill. You like the like journey of like searching for something and like, so that is a very real thing in my own life to a fault. Sometimes you're like always. You're never just like, hey, this is great. And I think the more I've done this in my arc, yeah, I think I am really, every day I get to do this, I just feel really grateful that I'm doing music. My last job was like, I was a barista at Starbucks, you know, like that's, this is pretty good. So I think what I do and trying to do it and being content with it is like made me such a better performer and I've enjoyed it so much more. I don't even know if that was your question. It is. I mean, it's just, it's that it to me, it's the difference in the chase, I guess. I always ask an artist, you know, how they feel about their latest album. It sounds like such a silly tripe kind of question, but does anyone ever like, oh, I hate it. It always depends on the reason. I really, no, I generally, I actually really love my last record, my newest one, whatever it is, January Flower, it came out like an out, I don't know what, a year ago, maybe a year and a half. But there is a funny thing where I usually dislike, there's a point when I usually dislike my last record and I like, or I dislike a specific record and it's funny how they always change based on where I'm at. And that maybe speaks to, I love to kind of do different things. So one record, if one record is one way, I tend to have a knee-jerk reaction to try to do something that's like a little different just for my own creative curiosity. You know, like I was never doing the same thing, you know, and every time I've tried to kind of chase something before, it's usually never successful. So then I get really frustrated with whatever those moments are where you're like, oh, you're trying to emulate that one song that was really big and it never works. So it's always like, whenever you're swinging the other way and like, okay, what are we just doing because we love, are always tend to be the moments that really resonate for a long time. But it does change all the time. It does. And I've done this enough times that I've interviewed bands multiple times. So one album will be the, you know, overproduced, we're going to spend 12 months doing everything and then the next one we're going to go back to our roots and do an acoustic set or a hard rock set or something. So it just changed. I think you have to have a couple albums under your belt too before you can like literally admit to yourself as an artist that like, oh, I missed it on that one. Cause we only got like four records. You can't be like, right, right, right. A quarter of my career, I was a phony. Nope. Or like, but I do think when you, the longer you do it, you can look back and be like, those moments weren't as successful. And you can kind of figure out why. Like maybe I was, I was trying to, yeah, put on a hat that didn't fit or I was trying to listen to the audience too much or management or producer had too much power or did not enough power. I wasn't listening to my band enough. I don't know. You know, there's, there is those interesting journeys you have. You look back at your projects and, and you like learn from them. That kind of gets to the question I asked a little bit earlier in your head. How do you, do you think you're, this is what you want sound to be? I really proud of, yeah, I think I really, I don't know how it's to do it. Then like, if you don't love it, yeah, your test market, if your test market is you in the studio or with a guitar and if you don't love it, you're already starting like, it's like a dude making an ice cream for an ice cream shop. And he's like, well, I think people like chocolate strawberry and you taste it. You're like, I don't really like this, but people will buy it. Like that's, that's not a good start. You gotta be like, I love this ice cream. Like you gotta be like, yo, you gotta taste my ice cream. This is the best ice cream you ever had. And if you don't believe that, yeah, you have to believe it. Yeah. Your test market is not, you're already a Rick Rubin always says, if you don't love it, you're already starting in a deficit. Like maybe someone else will like it because you're doing something. I don't know. I'd, yeah, I don't, I just try to love it. And if you're, if you're a big fan of it, you're, you also kind of can't lose because you're doing something you love. And last question for me really, what does weather like this, what does it do to you? As we talk about the Bonnaroo experience, you're camping, you're committed. Yeah. You're in and the, and the audit artists seem to know that, you know, you know, you've got an audience that wants to be there that is committed. That is hardcore. Does this things like days like this, does it sort of impact that at all? Or I mean, what do we got? We got some like overcast, definitely overcast. What is it? 71. 71. Yeah. I see now you're talking to a kid. I grew up in Eugene, Oregon. Good point. Excellent point. This is like, this is a solid eight months of my year. So I am like, this is actually, I, the one thing I like about this isn't, is the fatigue of like just heat. Like it, that's a, it's a beat down for people to be in. We played Hinterland this year and it was a hundred. It was the hottest show I've ever played. It was like in heat index of a hundred and nine. And I ran out and there was like, I made this joke about this tree that was like, there's one tree in the middle of the crowd. And I was like, this is the most coveted tree. This tree has lived its whole life for this. Everyone was in the shade. It was like, it was literally like, like a refugee boat, like stacked into the shade of this tree. Yeah. And I, I tried to run out there to the tree and I literally almost passed out, which was a terrible idea. But I don't know something about this kind of weather. I find it comforting cause I'm used to overcast and like lights look better. Like you know, there's like, everybody's kind of chilling. There's like a little melancholy to it, which I love. I'm like, we're out. We could be here all day. You're nice. You could drink. You don't have to like drink 64 ounces of water or you'll die kind of deal. Yeah. We're familiar with that heat. It's like a scene like the tree where people would sit and line up and as the shadow move, they slowly moving their way in. Yeah, man. I know this is beautiful. I mean, I was, it's a little bit of a bummer when you're, you're watching the radar. You're like, ah, I hope it doesn't rain like poor when we're playing. That's never fun. Right. But this feels pleasant. I'm nice. I'm in. Very cool. Me too. Yeah. If it stays like this all day, we're, we're going to be fine. It's going to be great. Yeah. Great questions. I've dominated as I always do. I'm just looking forward to you set. I love it. You're a West Falia. You have a West Falia van. Yeah. Yeah. He's got a Volkswagen shirt on. Russ with the bus. Russ with the bus. And yeah, bring it to Bonnaroo. What year? 1978. 78. Yeah. Year I was born. Year before I was born. Don't tell anybody. It's got the bed up. Yeah. It's pop top camper, the rooftop tent, couch, everything. My first car was a 68 square back. My dad let me buy it. It was like, they kind of look like a station wagon. Yeah. But they're little. Yeah. It's a little tiny station wagon. I had a notch back, which was the sedan. Yeah. Those are cool. Mine was a fastback. Oh, you had the fastback. We had them all covered. We had all three. We had all type 3s covered. There was one other one too, I think. They did for, do you, there was one year where they had another one, I thought, that was a weird one. The fastback was rounded. Yeah. The notch back was like the sedan. Yes. And they didn't sell those in the US. It had to be imported. That, okay. Those are the ones that are hard to get. They're real hard to get. Those are like the, yeah, I was awesome. I drove it. I ran out of oil one day and we had to, yeah, it was bad. Well, ours, we had a driveway that went up a hill and I don't remember if it was me or my brother, didn't know how to do clutch very well. So it got stuck halfway up and we had to get a neighbor to come. Love it. Yeah. We learned. Matt, thank you so much for your time. Always a pleasure. This is fun. It's a pleasure to meet you and I appreciate you giving us so much time. Honor to be here. All right. Thank you guys. Yeah, there you go. So that was Matt Carney. Like I said, really nice guy, right? I enjoyed talking to him. I did too. I would hang out with him all day. Yeah. I got the feeling that once the microphone's off, he wanted to talk some more VW. He kind of did. Yeah. He was a nice guy and it was a really fun show. Like I said, it was surprised me. I had listened to some of his music and I thought it was a little more spoken word, sort of rap oriented, but it was very much a lot of vocals and the band was very prominent. Like we said, the Paul Simon, Call Me Al was totally unexpected. It was and I think his show was one of my highlights of the weekend. Yeah, I agree. I didn't even ask you that. Yeah. What was your highlight? I would say him and Briston were up there. Natalie Hemby was also really good. Saturday or Sunday, Sammy Ray, she was really good for her two songs and I was excited because I was like, oh, we're about to go interview her. And then of course it got scrapped. So I felt bad for her that her set got cut short, but she was able to go and perform at the memorial that night when they announced the makeup concert. So she got to, I'm sure she had a great time there too. I have a feeling and that's why I think that's why I reached out to you Monday morning and kept pushing. I have a feeling this is going to be one of these events that we're going to talk about for a long, long time. I think so. And I think those bands, they were all so nice. The ones that we were supposed to talk to on Sunday, they were reaching out and saying, hey, are we still doing this? So I have a feeling maybe not tomorrow, not next week, but it'll happen. At some point. And who knows? Some of these people you might see on the Bonnery lineup in a year or two. Absolutely. And hopefully they will remember that we tried to talk to them. I hope so. All right. All right, man. Well, thanks. It was great hanging out and great hanging out today. Thank you. And glad to be back. Yeah, I'm excited. Yeah, we've kind of been on a little hiatus, but want to get back into it. We got a lot to talk about. I think you're exactly right. Subscribe if you're not already. A lot of changes going on. Yeah, subscribe and hit the like and all that other stuff you're supposed to do. Please do. All right. Thanks guys. Okay. Consequence Podcast Network.
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