Brad, Barry, and Russ draft their Top 5 Bonnaroo artists in the first ever What Podcast Fantasy Draft. And we'd like you to pick the best one! Vote in our poll over at @thewhat_podcast on Twitter. Plus, we talk to Patreon Phil!
Guest: Phil Hanley
A podcast for Bonaruvians by Bonaruvians. Welcome to The What Podcast. I'm Brad. That's Barry. That's Lord Taco. It is amazing. We've made it through spring and summer. It is post-Labor day. And we're still talking about Bonaru. It's almost lineup release day at this point. Barry? It will be soon, won't it? Yeah, right about now is when we're like, I wonder who's going to be on the lineup next year. Yeah, yeah. It's like I said, when we hit June, it was like, yeah, start worrying about next year. Forget the fact that we didn't have it. Speaking of the lineup, you know, I wonder how the compilation of the lineup for 2021 is going. Just some byproduct of a conversation I was having with somebody who is a fan of the podcast and also has some ties into the thing. When I say the thing, the industry, his opinion, and I'll leave him nameless, is that Tool is a complete goner for next year. But for everybody else, it should be pretty stable, the lineup. Now, I will throw this out because I know that I've been beaten up because of how much I love Lizzo. If you look at the lineup, if it just carries over from one year to the next, seeing if we actually have Bonnaroo. But I think that they need to replace Lizzo. And now I don't know if she's going to have a new album. I was told that she was, but nothing's going to carry the zeitgeist like that last album did. And imagine a year and a half after her hit, right? She's now the Friday headliner. You know, it makes sense, and I would defend it to the Hills last year. Lizzo being your Friday headliner, but I don't know if I can defend it in 2021. That's a great point. And it kind of gets to what we've talked about earlier, especially with Jeff, Jeff Becker, that whole, and that whole putting things on hold. You know, they, they, labels, agents, all that. They plan for just like what you're talking about with Lizzo. They're playing for that album to hit and be hot and then do the festivals. And I don't know, because it's been such a pause. You know, I don't know. Yeah. And then, but see, that's the thing that's going to kill, you know, a lot of these bands. We've talked about it before. Lizzo's moment is sort of over. And God love her. I love Melissa, but that moment is over. She's going to have to create another album that catches his eye guys as much as the last one did with, you know, songs like Truth Hurts and Good as Hell and, and Juice. Can she, does she have it? Yeah, maybe. But you know, we saw the second time around with Macklemore and how much of a bust that was. Exactly. So I don't know. I don't know. So you're going to have to replace Tool. And in my opinion, you're going to have to replace Lizzo. And so it begs the question, who replaces them? And my argument is going to be the easiest possible band that you can find. Remember when they had to replace Pearl Jam or whoever, I can't remember who they replaced the last minute. Oh, it was Mumford and Sons. Mumford and Sons had to cancel and they replaced last minute with a buddy of the guy that books the festival, Jack Johnson. And that was an easy fit because he's a guitar. He plays the guitar and he can walk on stage and everybody knows who he is. And if you remember who was it told us he answers the phone. He answers the phone. That's why he got the gig, because they knew he'd answer the phone. So you got to think about it. OK, so who who fills a Saturday night and easy to just slide in if somebody were to call and ask? I go back. I go back to what I said on the last podcast, My Morning Jacket. My Morning Jacket. Yeah. You know why? Because they answer the phone. They got a new record and they're the perfect Bonnaroo band. They're the perfect Bonnaroo band. They have a huge following. They fit perfectly and nobody is going to complain if My Morning Jacket gets slid in there for Saturday night. Now it won't be tool, but you know, it works. I was thinking about this the other day. The one act that I really wanted to see and really want to be on there next year is Miley. I really want to see her and I don't. I'm not a particular fan of the music. You know, I could. There's a. I could probably tell you two or three songs, but I really wanted to see her. You know that that is such an interesting artist that you bring up compared to what I just said about Lizzo. Yeah. Because Miley hasn't had a hit in damn near a decade, but yet you know the show that you're going to get is going to be fun. It's going to be a it's going to be an absolute rip roaring hit parade. But yet that stands the test of time. But we're arguing I'm arguing that Lizzo can't stand a year without a cycle. That's a little strange. You know, you said it yourself though Lizzo sort of caught lightning in a bottle this past year. Miley's been around forever. You know, that's a good point. And she's been doing a pretty good job with her online videos. She's been doing some covers of, you know, Billie Eilish and some other stuff that, you know, and you're getting into that stuff, aren't you? This quarantine thing has gotten you watching. I never leave this chair, man, which we should mention, you know, even mention the background in your in tacos, but tacos bus, which I took, I took my own chair with me all the way to Ringgold just to be in the bus. When did you do that? Now, is he sitting across from you taco? We're not telling us have does the bus have two back windows? I can't really figure this out. Exactly. We're not going to tell. Can't really reveal that. So here in a second, we've got a Patreon to talk to and get their idea about what, you know, their Bonnaroo 2020 would have been. They're coming back to Bonnaroo 2021. But before we do that, I kind of had an idea that we should that we should do on the on the show and maybe even expand it as, you know, the next lineup comes out when and if that actually ever happens. What if we fantasy football drafted Bonnaroo bands? Artists that have played the festival, artists that have played the festival will go around the room and we'll try and see who has the best fantasy football Bonnaroo team. What do you say? I love it. Now, now I got this idea from the world's leading leading sports expert, Lord Taco. I love sports. Yeah, I was doing it. So so Bonnaroo Vian, our friend Kyle, the Bonnaroo Vian, he had a fantasy football draft and he gets me to play in this league every year, which, you know, God love him. But you know, if you've ever done fantasy football, there's a million different ways that you can score and there's a million different ways that you can put your team together. His settings are the strangest settings of a fantasy football league I've ever I've ever had while I was doing this fantasy football draft. Is it why don't we just do this for Bonnaroo? This should be this should be a make a Bonnaroo team. So I've got everybody's cards here and we'll just go around the room. We'll draft a team and then we'll let the what podcast listener figure out who has the better team. And of course, they're going to pick me. We'll see. Are they going to are they going to use our phone thingy or are they going to email how they want them to vote our phone thingy? Well, I mean, I guess we can do it. We can do a Twitter poll. Oh, OK. I think we do a poll. I like it. OK. Taco knows how to do polls. I know all about polls. OK. I see. Here's here's the problem. How do you pick who drafts first? It should be me. I'm older. I'm older. You do it. I'm older. That's not how you do it. We're supposed to flip a coin or pull a number out of a hat or something. Yeah. Write down three numbers and and then hold it. Hold them up. I don't care. Yeah. But who gets to judge who gets to hold the number in their head? I'm thinking of a number. All right. We got a rock, paper, scissors. OK. We got a rock, paper, scissors. All three of us. Here we go. All three of us. All three of us at once. All right. All right. One, two, three, go. Look at that. What are the chances? All scissors. One, two, three. Rock. All paper. Rock. All right. So Barry's out because paper covers rock. Now it's me and taco. Here we go. Taco. One, two, three. I think we did all that wrong. OK. Anyway, taco. You said on three. Taco. I know. I did. I know. I'm sorry. I got the second pick. Taco's got the first pick. Barry's got the third pick of the fantasy football Bonnaroo draft. Here we go. Lord Taco, your number one pick is? All right. So just to be clear, we're just picking headliners or just any band? Any band that's going to compile the best team of five. Paul McCartney. OK. That's pretty easy. Paul McCartney, your first draft pick. See, this is going to be the hard part. The second pick is going to be the hard one because there's two obvious ones. There's two obvious ones right after McCartney for maybe the second greatest artist to ever play the festival. And you really could flip a coin and pick. But I'm going to choose the show that I like the best of the two. And I'm going you two. OK. No, no, no, no. Bruce Springsteen. Sorry. I spoke. Bruce Springsteen. I'm taking the boss. Oh, man. Those are the two. I thought it was you two and Bruce Springsteen. I'm choosing Springsteen. That makes it harder on me. Leaving you two on the table there. I know. You two's on the table. There's lots still on the table. Is anyone writing this down, by the way? I am writing it down. Yes. OK. Everybody's draft cards in front of me. So Taco takes Paul McCartney. This first round pick, I've got the boss for my first round pick. Now it's to Barry Courter. I'm going with my morning jacket. It was either them or you two. My morning jacket for a first round pick. They're the perfect final act. You are giving Taco maybe the strongest top two that you could ever give. We're going to see. All right. Lord Taco, your number two pick. I'm also banking on our listeners. All right. Yeah. That's like we mentioned. You know, you're not necessarily picking your favorites. You're picking what is going to win. What's going to win. That's true. What's going to win. Who's going to vote? Taco is going to be strong, no doubt. Yeah, he's going to be very strong. I mean, well, I'm kind of at a disadvantage because I've only been to two Bonnaroo's. But if we're just picking from any band in the past, I don't know. How about there's like a little Irish band that played one year. How about you two? You two. All right. Good pick. I didn't see that one coming. I don't know if you've ever. It's kind of a deep cut. That must have been one of those cafe acts. Yeah. One year. I think that the the best second round pick here for me is going to be a artist that's been there twice that everybody wants to come back. It was the one show that I might have missed the first time. The second time I didn't appreciate it the way that I should have. That's why I'm begging for them to come back again. We would have seen a version of it this year. I'm going radio head with my second round pick radio. That's a good one. I'm going to go widespread panic. You are hamming this up right now. You are literally just trying to pull. You're like the chilies of Bonnaroo Fantasygrass right now. What can I get most people in the building that's not offensive? I'm going for the win. All right. Your third round pick taco. I'm going to pick one that I did see and that's Gambino. Oh man. This is this is strong. Yes. Really. This is a really strong starting lineup so far. It's going to be hard to beat. Taco is going to be very, very hard to beat. A third round pick for I need an artist that can fit what taco is bringing to the table. Taco's got a very, very strong, strong lineup. He's got a good name. Good name lineup. And you know what else he did with his third round pick is he he switched the game a little bit. He went and took our first almost hip hop headliner. He turned to child is not necessarily hip hop hip hop. But you know you're getting a little bit out of the rock world and it makes me want to change my philosophy here to try and get the top hip hop artist that's on the board. And I'm going to go I'm going to go Eminem going Eminem. Okay. All right. Interesting recorder. I can't wait for your third round pick to be string cheese incident. No, no, no. I'm torn between another hip hop rap act a now dead act and an act that I didn't see that but that still gets so much conversation before before you before you pick I know exactly who you're going to pick taco right down who you think Barry Courter is going to pick. And I'm going to write down what I think Barry Courter is going to pick and let's see if we are we are correct because I know I know how his brain works. So I'm really not mine. I'm torn between the three but I'm going to go with Patty Tom Patty. I thought you were going to pick a hip hop act. I was I was torn between that and the other. I knew it was going to be petty. I'm surprised. Honestly, you didn't pick him first. Thought about it. I thought that I thought that was going to be your number one thought about it. But I also thought he might be around longer than my morning jacket. But your fourth round pick. Courtney you got you to get childish Gambino very strong top for sure. Very strong. Well, I'm surprised Barry didn't pick this one. Fish. Yeah, I was hoping fish is going to make it next but that's really good. I just couldn't do it. Why you already picked two. I like widespread. I'm not a big fish fan but it's not who you like it. It's who you're making the team. It's the one or the two show. Yeah. Either of the two is good. Taka's got a strong lineup. This one for me if it wasn't going to be fish. My backup plan was team Impala team Impala for my fourth round pick. Barry Courter. Here we go. All right. I'm going to get wait. I'm going to go with again the show that I didn't see that I made more fun of than any in the history and people still talk about it. Lionel Richie. I know. I you know you have a very different philosophy of doing this that I could have I could have even crafted my brain to figure out Lord taco round out your team. You're starting five your front five. My last pick is John Prine. Okay. You know what I like about the fifth round pick is it sort of like the one that you hold dear to you. You know the one that you can you don't really need a top headliner you can choose a show that you probably love and remember the most. And that's sort of where I was originally going to go with my fifth round pick but I've got a few options here. And although my first inclination is to go with a show that I absolutely love with all of my heart and it went so underrated that Sturgill Simpson show was damn near one of the most unbelievable things I've ever seen on the what stage. It was that in the black keys years and years ago when the black keys came out and had two guys on stage and put out as much sound as Arcade Fire did the night before with 11 people on stage. Sturgill did it with three guys. Him being one of them. Nothing but white lights. That was unbelievable. And just the sound explosion. It was like he said screw all of this. I'm going to show what I can do. It was a it was a in your face mic drop for 90 minutes. There's no doubt about it. That's right. That's a great way of putting it. The best part was the t-shirt that he wore too. Yeah who the fuck is Sturgill Simpson. You know so that's my gut. My gut says that but I'm going to go with my favorite show of all time. My the greatest experience at Bonnaroo I've ever had. Does anybody want to guess they might have their their guest here. Fish. Yeah. McCartney McCartney's off the table. Yeah. I mean it's within two. It's LCD sound system or it's Alabama Shakes. I'm going to go with LCD sound system. Yeah. They were they were going to be they were definitely among my choices. So that leaves me then with Beastie Boys. It's good. I totally forgot the Beasties. You know that is a very very strong way to finish Barry considering your first four were total duds. We'll see. Very strong finish. I feel good about my picks. You always do. I know. We've done this before on the radio show. I know I did and I got I got thought because no none of your listeners were older than 12. All right. Let's go through everybody's team. Taco has Paul McCartney you to Childish Gambino Fish and John Prine. Brad's got Bruce Springsteen radio head Eminem Tama Pala LCD sound system Barry starting five my morning jacket panic the disco Tom Petty Lionel Richie and Beastie Boys. I'm really irritated about myself choosing Eminem over Beastie's now that I think about it. Really you said panic at the disco. Where'd that come from. I'm sorry. Why is red panic. I'm sorry. I just wrote down panic for you. I'm on a rock station. I know I think of panic of the disco times a day. The other panic. All right. That's good. That'd be interesting. I think they're all good. I can see see who wins and maybe you know what we do a fantasy draft again for everybody. But what stage. Yeah. Okay. Nothing nothing but no which or what stage at we could do several of these. Yeah we could do some tense only with acts that were biggest surprises for you. You know one you never knew. Because so many artists have gone from from 10 to what stage and which stage. So we have to I think we'd have to do nothing but nothing but which and below. Okay. No I can't do any what any what artists. No I think that's fine. I'm just saying there's lots of different ways we could mix this up. Yeah that leaves out Alabama Shakespeare me. I can never choose Alabama Shakespeare ever again because you know they went from 10 to what stage. All right. There you go. Vote along. Let us hear what you think. And then we'll go to Twitter the what underscore podcast on Twitter now. That's awesome. Yeah. And before we jump in with our Patreon and check in with another patron once you run through some of our fine fine. No I'm not ready for that. It's a great idea but I'm not ready for it. What have you been doing on that bus all day. I've been getting ready for our Patreon. So many emails and Skype things with him that we have to make work. So I'm so glad that we are. You got the list to their Mr. I do not. Yeah you do. I've said I do every week so you can't do this to me. Taco how is your koozie game going. What do you got on your koozie. This is the what podcast koozie. How did you get one of those. You gave me one. Well how would I get one but don't get one from you know we just mailed them all out to our patreons and they signed up at Patreon dot com slash the what podcast. Do you know else they got for certain levels got a what podcast mixed tape from one of the sure did. Yeah. But are we going to redo the levels levels got to get a little updated don't. Yeah. Change that up. Yeah we got to come up with new merch I guess we've already done like a t shirt sticker koozie. Yeah. Speaking of koozie's here's my favorite koozie of all time from a band called oozing wound and it says oozing wound get high fuck destroy. That is my favorite band of all time. Is that an indie indie band. Yeah. I love the FIFA you want to you want to see mine. Okay. All right. Guess where I found it. I don't know. The bathroom at the moxie. Why are you why are you collecting things from public restrooms. Well it was you know before we were all worried about germs and stuff. Oh before then before the before times pick up random things from. And I looked down after it was even better. Yeah. Pick this up from the hotel bathroom favorite koozie. Have you next to the what. I was going to I didn't want to ask. Why is the answer. Let me read let me read some of these patreons and then we can get Phil on the phone with us. The care and by the way it reminded me there's a couple of you guys if you haven't gotten your your swag yet. I need there's a couple of questions I need answers. I've got them. So go to look on the in the message boards and I'll send them to you. Barry. Yes. Barry. Yes. Stop caring caring sheep. Okay. Very Timothy Proctor. You seem in a bad mood today. Not in a good mood. You seem down. Do I. He's in the bus. How could be. How could he be down. We're doing a podcast. He's in the happiest place on earth. I just picked a winning five acts in our draft. Okay. Yeah. I don't know. I'm a little down. And I don't know if it had to do with your performance. No. Karen Sheets Timothy Proctor Aaron Carlson Liesel Condor David Grimes Phil Hanley. That's who we're going to talk to here in a minute. Chloe Hannon Benjamin Wells Tori musical antlers Mary T. Schuyler Melanie and Jesse Feldman Parker Reed Dan Sweeney Joshua Herndon Lauren at home Nick Yeatman Tyrone Nicks one of those. Please check out the message because I need to get your stuff Tyrone basket basket Evan Brown Ross McNamara William Richards Clay Will Hoyt Sean McCarthy Ryan Matthewson Chelsea Davis Lucy Young Jason Hazel Baker DK Linda Dole's Jacob Marty Andrew T. McBride Justin Nigro David Solano Catherine Rizio Meredith Ritman Daniel and Charlotte Horton Sean McCain David Henson Brooke Tussie and Ella from Signal Mountain and Russ we have two new ones right Madison. Whoa. No one's. Well, relatively new. Yeah. They're not on the list new Madison had Zico and Riley Benson. Yeah. Thanks guys. Welcome. Hi guys. Hi. Welcome. Welcome to the team. All right. Let's do let's do some Patreon chats. Hey Phil. How are you buddy? Doing pretty good. Good. Well, hey, thanks for joining us on the the what podcast and being a fellow Bonnaroovian. Before we get going here and I want these two to zip it and not say a word. I want to get your unvarnished opinion of what group of five Bonnaroov artists do you think are the best. Okay. I'm going to read you three different groups of Bonnaroov artists and I want you to tell me which group is best. All right. All right. All right. Group one, Paul McCartney, you to Childish Gambino fish and John Prine Group two, Bruce Springsteen radio head Eminem Tame Impala LCD sound system or group three, my morning jacket widespread panic Tom Petty Lionel Richie Beastie Boys. For me, that's easy. It's number one. See, I know it. See, this damn first round pick is good. It's Barry. When Barry chose you didn't choose you to that screwed everything up. Everything up. You gave taco. So we just did a fantasy draft of Bonnaroov bands and Barry decided to instead of picking you to with his first round pick, which is a no brainer. He chose my morning jacket and it just gave taco another golden bullet to shoot us with. That's awesome. Yeah, I would have chosen group number one because of McCartney and you to you to back in 2017. I was so excited to go see that for the Joshua tree tour. So that's the one that really put me over the edge. It's like if you were to like have an actual fantasy football team and you got to have Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes on the same team. It should not be fair. It's not back when I used to do fantasy stuff. I chose all Boston Celtics just because I was a Celtics fan. Good fantasy football. We were terrible. It was no his basketball, but we were terrible. We got beat, but I chose favorites. So whatever. Welcome to the show. Tell us how many Bonnaroov you've been to. I've been to seven Bonnaroov now. I started going in 2013 and 2020 was going to be number eight. But of course, here we are. Yeah. Yeah. So you've got to see you've got a good chunk of them. I think that the seven is a is a pretty magical number. What was the first year? What was the moment that it got you? What was the moment you said, I'm all in 2013, 2013. Go back to McCartney. That year was awesome. So my friend and I came down from Minneapolis, which is where we live. And we drove the 12, 13 hours it takes to get down and we had car troubles. We had all sorts of bad things happen to us, but we still had a blast and continue to come back every single year. Like jail. How bad was it? Not jail. No, no jail in Coffee County. Good. No, not that bad. Good. Good. Is it the same you go with the same guy every year or is it a whole different crew? He and I have gone every single year since 2013. So seven consecutive years and in and out, we've had friends come. One of my close friends came our second year in 2014 because he's a big Kanye West fan. So that was entertaining. And then the following years, another one of our friends came and then 2017 for you to year. It was just him and I again. Last year was our big expansion, though. We had a large group of people come with us last year because the lineup was so diverse and growing. And I have a group of friends as well as myself that is into electronic music. So we expanded our our group from that. How did that change the dynamic? Was it better? Worse? Different? What was it like? It was it was different, but it was different for a couple of different reasons. Just like more people so I could hang out with different people at different stages for different artists. Like I still went and saw the Lumineers last year and that group of friends wasn't going to go do that. And that was an awesome show. Yeah, that's two different types of music. Yeah, that is because I feel so and I don't think I'm the only one at camp, but I feel so iffy about bringing new people in to the point where like we have to vote you in to be a part of the group. And when somebody shows up that has not been approved by everyone, I can really pissed. Yeah, well, we've we've done it where we're just in such a small group every year too. So like we just had two or three people go. So expanding to that group setting the last last year that was just very different. Last year, I was also fortunate enough to not have to drive down though. We did do group camping, but one of my friends won the VIP Beat and Greet through Propeller for Odessa. So I was able to get flown down from Milwaukee because my friend invited me to do the VIP package. And I don't know what propeller is. What is that propeller? You do different social justice and awareness things. And artists work with propeller to get people to register to vote. And they get people to just sign up for clean initiatives and those kinds of things. So they they have these different packages that artists put it. And it's not just Bonnaroo. They do stuff for other festivals. I know they had one for Electric Forest that a couple of my friends were excited to attempt to do this year. But yeah, he was able to win it and got to do VIP and that does not do that drive. Yeah, kidding. It's hard to go back, man. Telling you, you ain't going to do it again. You're not going to do it again. How did you get your gear there, though? They provided the gear for us. So they had purchased a tent and some sleeping bags and stuff. So that was included in the VIP package. So it was like, here's all your stuff. You'll set it up when you get there, which was reasonable. Like set up a tent, gone camping and stuff. Was there somebody meeting you there with all the gear? Do you have to go pick it up? So we flew in, took the airport shuttle. We were dropped off and we met with somebody. It was a little dicey because the space is so big and you don't know what time we're arriving exactly. And so they had to get over there and then they got us through. They shipped our bags over to where our site was so we didn't have to carry everything and then just dropped us off. And we set up our site and we were good to go for the weekend. And they also they also provided a few other things for us upon request. So we asked if we could get one of those like reflective tarps for a sunshade because we don't have a canopy next to us. They're not going to buy one of those for us. But to have like one of those sunshades so we could sleep in a little longer in our tent. So you want a VIP experience and then made off the menu demands. Yeah, I like that is strong. That is a Brad Guy move. That's strong. And it was really cool too because Odessa is my favorite artist. So for my friend to have invited me to go do something like that, that was really special for me at my favorite place in the world. Yeah, that's a good friend. It was surreal. You know, I was just sitting here. You're talking about just going with one or two people. I'm almost thinking the other way, Brad. I like our larger group because it just that being if one or the other of you isn't having a good day or doesn't like the act or, you know, relying on each other for entertainment. You got to be really good friends. Yeah, I like the bigger the group because it allows for more people to laugh at my jokes about Brian Stone. I always like the no, I don't mind the bigger group. It's the I have one problem with the new people that show up just one. It's smoking. I cannot stand smoking a camp. It drives me absolutely bat shit crazy. Smoking what? My guy, my guy. It is the cigarettes and it's always just so gross and it's always just like the grossest like look when you're just sitting around camp. Yeah, my friend group doesn't do that. So we're fortunate enough to do that. That's what I mean, man. You got to be very selective about who you who you're going to spend five days with or six if you're traveling and all that. So how many people are in your group then? Because I know you're like we have to control our group size. But like last year we ended up doing group camping and we combined with another group because we couldn't find enough people because you have like a minimum of twenty four people, I think, per group. So how many people do you have in your group? Well, we are not in group camping. So it's sort of a malleable number. It's it's whoever can whoever we can fit in the space that we have police taped off. And we because we get there so early, we are like the total tools that police. We're those guys. This wooded area that you can't. Yeah, I mean, it's it's really, really shitty of us. But I mean, we have so many people that eventually show up. So by the end of the weekend, I'm going to say, Barry, we've got 30. Yeah, we've had five years that many. The hard part, Phil, is like Brad and I get there Wednesday, Wednesday night. And we taped this thing off and there's six of us. Right. And so the cars will drive by and they'll stop and you can see them. You know, like what the heck? Yeah. And our perimeter is just like, you know, old busted ass tents that we're not going to use. And we're just like, oh, this is our campsite for Gary. I don't know. Yeah, literally. But it's just the biggest problem is cars. You know, I have to go. I've got the job of going to get everybody and bringing them in because they can't bring the cars. So when somebody does have a car, it becomes every it becomes even more difficult because the space is only mapped out for the people who can can have their own little space. And then when I got to jam up, you know, Toyota forerunner in somewhere, it just doesn't it doesn't work. We end up filling it up by Saturday. So I mean, it's oh, man. Yeah, but by it's gotten earlier and earlier by Thursday evening, we start to worry. We started looking around and seeing if we can we can siphon off somebody else's spot. Yeah. At that point. But luckily, we've been we've been in the same literally the exact same spot for probably four years in a row now. But the group just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. But what are you going to do about it? And that's what makes it so great. And that's why we we enjoy it so much. You never know who you're going to pop into when you when you get to camp. And our group is a lot like yours in that we don't ever see the same show with each other. So I can always count on coming back to camp and hearing what else was happening on the farm no matter what. Because somebody in our fest at our at our spot space was at the Gore show. You know, somebody was at John Brine. Right. Yeah, that makes things a lot a lot easier. What was this year going to be like after doing the VIP? Like, I mean, we joked it's hard to go back, man. Once you know, it's the hundred dollar bottle of wine. Right. Don't ever drink it. Yeah, it was going to be hard. I was planning on just doing general admission and doing the group camping and all that stuff. Like I was planning on doing originally in 2019. But yeah, it's it's going to be a lot more difficult to go back just to be so close and to not have to wait in line. Just all those little things that the VIP experience offered. A lot of it was really great. So you wouldn't you wouldn't get the VIP again? No, I like the experience of just being out in camp. And I know you guys have talked about like not being out there and that kind of thing, but just being out in camp with everyone else and just kind of see what's going on and what you run into. Am I mistaken here? Do you have a tattoo on your left shoulder of Bonnaroo? Oh, nice. On the top of the symbol is the arch from the 2013 year, which is the first year I went to. So Barry has it too, but it's on his lower back. Yeah, and it's it's it's it's across. It's a bit misshapen these days. Yeah, it's bigger than it used to be. We'll put it that way. His arch is turned into a squarch. So that's committed, man. When did you get the tattoo? Two years ago. Right before I said two years ago. Yeah, it was two years ago in 2018 and it was about a month before we went to Bonnaroo as well. So had to take good care of it leading up to it and kept it covered during the day. Still, in the evening, I was able to take it off to kind of let it air out, but it healed great and everything. So that's fortunate to be so I find this to be so interesting, Barry, because imagine loving a brand so much that you put it on your body. That's what I'm saying. I mean, I find that to be I mean that if I was one of the AC guys, I think that would probably send me into panic attack. Somebody loves this so much they're willing to tattoo it on their body. I could really screw this up. Yeah, that's a lot of pressure. Plus, we a guy from Minneapolis, which is pretty good music town. Right. So what is it about Bonnaroo? I mean, 2013 is a pretty good first one to go to, obviously. Oh, yeah. That was a pretty magical year. So was it what? Let me ask you this way. What did you expect? And then what was the reality of it? And you've already said you had car trouble, you had all kinds of trouble. So that's the thing. A couple of people we've talked to, you know, it's like it's like Brad's t shirt. It's never not great, right? Even with even with problems, it's still worth going back. So what was what was it? What was the deal? I have no idea. We went in 2013 and we had just so much fun despite all the little things that went wrong and especially how hot it was that year. I don't know if it was just because it was our first year and the first time being down in the Tennessee heat in June. But I just remember that year being extremely hot and we decided to still come. I think the biggest thing was just the live music itself and getting to see this diverse group of artists from around the world come and play like got to see McCartney play. I got to see Kendrick Lamar play on that Sunday in Macklemore and then follow that up with Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeroes, which was one of the coolest shows ever that I've been to. Especially for that year. I just think it's I just think it's the journey to get down on the journey to get back and just enjoying myself. It's like my vacation. That's so animal chin of you. Yeah, it's also kind of my vacation because for my work, I'm busy between January and the first Monday in June. And then from there, the rest of the year, we're more free to take vacation and those kinds of things. So it's really do taxes. I I'm an actuary who submits Medicare bids for Part D. Okay, so I get to do that the most busy time of the year for you. We have to submit our pricing to the government by the first Monday in June. So there's a lot of there's a lot of iterations and planning and those kinds of things that go literally works out perfect. Yeah. Because I yeah, and then I could never go to Coachella, which I'm fine with. Yeah. So so when that happens, you you just get you know, how much time do they give you off after all of that? Because I guarantee you they don't give you a day before, you know, right. First Monday in June. They they give me what I want pretty much from there on out. I mean, I have my limit. I think it's 20 something days. So if you so if you were to go down to Bonnaroo and you could you could make, you know, a 10 day journey out of it, you could leave. Okay, so we usually we usually leave on Tuesday in the evening and drive overnight to get there Wednesday so we can get a traditionally try to get a better camping spot with group camping last year. It helped because we did have our reserved place for everybody. So we'll probably end up doing that again because less time sensitive, but it's always fun to get there on Wednesday. Yeah, yeah, we've discovered it makes for a long week, but it is a good day. And it makes Thursday even better. Yeah. And then I usually take the following Monday and Tuesday off Mondays for driving and Tuesdays for recovery because I will be useless at work. I tell you, one of the biggest things that I can say, especially for the Tennessee folk, you know, we were in Chattanooga for a long time. And if you live in Nashville or Chattanooga or anything that's within a short drive home, you need to take that Monday and Tuesday off. There is nothing about life on Tuesday that makes any lick of sense. It just it doesn't feel good. It's still like there's still dirt somewhere. Nothing about it works for me going back to work the two days after Bonnaroo. But good for you driving all that way for all that time. What was the what was 2020s? Who was your who is your star? Who are you going to see? What was your lineup like? I actually broke this down by day in preparation for this. So Thursday, Thursday, I was mostly excited to see an artist called Cursa. He's an electronic producer. I believe he's from the UK. And it's just something very different. He plays kind of his own genre of music called neuro hop. So I don't know. It's something. Brad, we can just classify that into EDM for you. The world is neuro hop. I'm just now learning EDM. Yeah. Now start giving me side projects to neuro hop. It sounds like an IPA. Did it win a blue ribbon? No, it's not a blue ribbon. I'd say that's an interesting poll because I don't even I don't even remember that name on the line. I don't either. I'll be honest with you. I don't either. Yeah. And I can't remember too much else from Thursday. There's just I think I was just going to do the same thing I was going to do last year, which is kind of me and around on Thursday and save myself for the other three days because the other three days are absolutely stacked. For Friday, I was mostly excited to see Tool. And that kind of grew while listening to the lineup and my roommate's a huge tool fan. So he actually ended up buying a ticket for September because he says June is too hot for him. So I don't know what logic went in there. But yeah, it would have been really fun to see that. Your friend is obviously not from Tennessee. September is not much better. He likes the cold. September is probably and we tried to say this on the show earlier. September is probably going to be hotter than June. Yeah. For some reason in Tennessee, the summer has moved back about three weeks. It is as hot in the middle of September and the late September as it is in first of August. It is miserable. Yeah. I mean, what is this? This is the seventh and it's 90 degrees today. So yeah, it's warm. Yeah. I mean, look, look how and imagine how your friend would have felt if he would have chose if you had to choose, by the way, a September Bonnaroo or June Bonnaroo, considering the weather that we had this year. Yeah, for the best of all that you get to go to your friend made a bad choice. That was just by the way, when was the rescheduled date, Barry? Was this supposed to be next week or this week? Two weekends, right? Two weekends. Yeah. 24th. Okay. So end of September. And I think we can go ahead and I mean, it's not a secret. They're going to be doing something on that weekend. So we'll we'll be talking about that on the show soon enough. I know we'll have we'll have Jeff Quay are back on. We're already talking about it. I think they're going to make an announcement. I swear to God, if he doesn't show up in his banana suit, ending the call immediately. So you said Thursday back for a second on Thursday. I remember I was almost sort of like you in that Thursday didn't really have the punch that I remember most Thursdays having. And, you know, I think I've said it on here. I don't care. Yeah, I don't care. Friday was so big. I don't need Thursday to be. Usually on Thursday, something that we do that I know has not been talked on the podcast before is we usually do the Bonnaroo dinner as a group, just to kind of start off the weekend. Right. So they do that. They do that big, long, expansive table. Yeah. Done that before. We've done that the last four years or something like that. And it's been really fun. Every year we could sit by different people from around the country. And then one year we were actually sitting across from some of the AC Entertainment guys that book the lineup. Or at least that's what they told us. And so we got to talk with them and they provided some insight. We talked a little bit about prints and stuff, too, since we're from Minnesota. And we're like, was that ever on the table? And this is after its passing. Was this ever on the table? And kind of indicated yes. So that's what they told us to begin the season that they had it. They had it booked. And then he. Wow. So the Bonnaroo dinner did did remind me about that. They do that where they do that in a certain camp. They do that over by the I think it's called the solar stage. They do it in center. Yeah, it's in center. So they do it Thursday, Friday and Saturday evening in center. I think they have like a long salad table thing and that might be outside of the center grounds. But boy, we've totally forgotten about that. So many so many things, Brad, that we that we just have not done. Barry, it's that and the five K always seem to say that's something I didn't forget about it. I think I watched it one year. Yeah, I'm not sure. Three point two miles in the heat in June, even if it's nine o'clock in the morning. And I'm not going to be up. What was that band that you that are does that EDM Mars you said on Friday? Lucid? No. What was it? Cursive curse. Curse. Curse. Curse. You are essay on Thursday. Oh, on Thursday. OK, got you. All right. All right. Sorry. Anyway, I interrupted your your line up. Oh, yeah. They said no problem. Saturday I was looking forward to seeing the Nelly show. I thought that would have been really, really cool. Yeah, yeah, he just needed to get, you know, his boss at Subway to give him the shift off. But I'm sure he would have been a great show. No, I really would. I was really excited about that. That was one of those wow moments that when you get the line up and you look through and you see all the headliners and you love every like, oh, my God, this is so great. It takes the second and third pass to realize that the third and fourth and fifth pass. I'd say we went through this. Yeah, I was going to say, I think it's the nostalgia of that show would have been really, really cool. I've seen many of the artists that were playing that day anyway. So I was kind of like, maybe I'll just go see that and make that my one thing that I have to see for that day. Man, so you would have you actually get because Saturday to me was was I mean, just there's nothing to compare Friday with. But Saturday would have been a light day and your big thing would have been like, I'll sit around and wait for Nelly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a good lineup. Yep. We'll see what they can bring back. We talked about that a little bit earlier. What are the chances of bringing the same lineup back? And does it make sense? I'm sorry. I just now noticed it's been so long since I've looked at this lineup because, you know, turns out it didn't happen. But I looked at the bottom of the Saturday. There's a band named Lick. It's an EDM artist. Is it really? Yeah. Nice. All right. I don't. It's not for you, Brad. I promise. It's barely for me. This was going to be the year that Brad got hooked on EDM. I could just we're going to bring you to that big wild show and you were going to have a blast. I like Bill. Don't don't get me wrong. I like Big Wild a lot. I'm a big fan. Yeah, I like it because there's instrumentation in it. And yes, you know, it's just going to go into it. Right. But like I had like, look at this. I haven't gone through this either. Jupiter and Aquis. Don't know. Yeah, I know. I like this is this was the point of the show, Barry. Yeah. And then all hell broke loose. Yeah. Well, then they put together a lineup like that. You know, they literally could just put bullshit at the bottom of these days. And we know because we never even got there. Jupiter and Aquis, Nullifer, Yanya. These are just this is Lord Taco's Twitter account. This is nonsense. Who in the world is Dr. Freck's fresh and slow tie? Slow tie is a grime rapper from the UK. I've listened to a few things from him, so I know these genre things are getting really annoying to me. Grind rapper grime grime grime rapper. OK, this is too much for me. Right. It's out. Right. OK. I can't keep up. Can't keep up with it. Grime rapper is literally what you are on Sunday at Bonnaroo. What did you say? Curse was neuro, neuro, neuro hop. Can I redo my draft? I've got a few additions. I'm shocked that that Barry didn't take a lick with this. If we'd have gone one more round, if it had gone six, I would have. Man, so not only do we thank you for being a patron, thanks for joining us on the show today, man. You know, we're sorry that 2020 didn't happen, but, you know, I have a feeling 2021 is going to it's going to have to be one of these days where I hope that, you know, some of these bands drop out and we can have just a a headlining slot where just us hanging out. That'd be great. Because that feels like that feels like what we all need to do is just to get back together and just use that for one night along those lines. Let me ask you, Phil, what do you how do you see next year going? I assume you'll go. What do you what do you hope? And it's safe. I'll go. Well, yeah, that's that if it's safe thing. What is what are the what are the criteria going to be? Do you think that that will you either pull the trigger or not next year or 2022 whenever it is that we come back? I think it'll be whether COVID is controlled reasonably higher risk person. So try to social distance in most instances as best as possible. So trying to make that work as best as possible and not have to not have to do it. I think of other people are going from my friend group. They'll go. But I don't see them doing that unless there's some reasonable safe amount of level. Like I can't see. Like if it's even dicey, I can't see them doing the Bondarute. My question is, yeah, right now today, would you say you're less likely to go or, you know, more likely to work hard to make it happen kind of thing? If that makes sense. I think I'm more willing to make work hard to make it happen. Yeah. OK. All right. And it's an interesting question because it's I mean, it's it's totally improbable. I mean, it's a question that is. Yeah. Not necessary. But I wouldn't. I mean, I'm not going if is if the facts on the ground is you're giving me the option of today. Not a chance. Yeah. No, not today. But, you know, I can't imagine what good look at the first and the first thing that we got to do is get through a, you know, a election season. Yeah. And the what's going to happen between now and November 3rd is a fake vaccine. And then on November 4th, that vaccine won't exist. So it's going to be the front of the year before we even know if if the vaccine is plausible. And then that vaccine, you know, I have very big doubts depending on who is administering it and who is the, you know, in charge of the government. I don't necessarily know if I want to put that in my body. Oh, there's no way. No, I mean, I think back of all the, you know, the things that they used to give pregnant women and all that, the reactions that they're finding out decades later. But look at what happened with Gerald Ford. Gerald Ford rushed a vaccine to the market and all hell broke loose. All hell broke loose. And he's sitting in the White House taking it and they have no idea what the ramifications of it are. And, you know, it's weird that that there's only one person that we really can trust, or at least me. I mean, if Tony Fauci says this vaccine is OK, right. Good to go. I'll take it. I just don't I don't have any confidence in in these people to make a non-political decision. Right. Do you think that Bonnaroo is potentially planning on postponing until September of 2021? That would be my guess, too, based on where we're at right now. Like, even if even if for whatever reason, a vaccine comes out in November just to get everybody vaccinated and make sure things are working and yada yada. You can't plan and anticipate for June at this point because it takes years or a year at least. Yeah. And I'm totally OK with a September 2021. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. And mostly because of what we were told last conversation I had with the head of a certain division. I can't whatever. But they're they're planning on nothing happening in the spring. So I mean, you can very much look with September the middle of September now. Coachella's lineup usually comes out around Thanksgiving. Right. Am I am I wrong about that? I might be a little off, but somewhere at the end of the year, you've got the Coachella lineup coming up. You are going to see I'm putting my money on Coachella figure out a way to delay it, too. And so the second they delay because they can't they can't put a spring festival together. And that's what I was told. I was told that you can basically wipe out all of the spring for major events like this. Now, the thing that is that I think for Barry and I are important is getting these local music venues going. Yeah, we are about to hit phase three. I don't know what Minnesota is like, but, you know, we have been struggling in Louisiana for, you know, the better part of the last month and a half ever since July 4th with phase two. We've been in and out, in and out, in and out. And we're finally going to get to phase three sometime next week. And even in phase three, they're limiting the amount of public events that you can do. Here's what's going to change that in this city. The New Orleans Saints, if no and LSU football, they are not going to this city is going to erupt and riot if they can't go to a large venue and watch LSU football and the New Orleans Saints. Stupid as that sounds, but that's what's going to happen. And the ramifications of that we just don't know. We've got to in my I hate saying this, but we've got to let's put it this way. We don't have to do anything, but it would be beneficial maybe to see if we can start doing some of these. I don't know what the limitations are. I'm not a lawmaker, but we've got to give some of these a try and see if we can. Yeah, we can at least make it through. We've been doing a lot of that here. High school football is been going. You know, some of the others high school sports have been going with local promoters have done some concerts and so they're doing this fans in the stands of the high school games there. Bad. I mean, they're grouping together. You know, the pictures I've seen, they're all other than the masks on some faces or down around their necks, which is just the silly thing. So my question is, how do they hold? How are they holding space for them? You're telling me that they're basically there's no rules whatsoever. It's not quite that and it varies from school to school, but some of the pictures that I've seen, you know, like what are you doing? And now they'll be spacing on the sides and they'll the numbers are down. They're not. They're somehow keeping it. It's not like a full stands, but they're still. So we'll see. And you know, this weekend Labor Day, the holidays always seem to see a spike. Yeah, we never bounce back from July 4th. But, you know, to the point that I was trying to make is Coachella is a massive entity with 80,000, 100,000 people over two weekends. We're not we're not ready. Right. You know, we're not ready for that. Totally agree. But can we get 2500 or 5000 people in an outdoor space to watch a to watch a big screen television of a football game? Maybe. Yeah, maybe. I just I don't know. I just don't know. I sure as hell would like to give it a try, though. Here in Minnesota, we have the issue of it's cold. It'll be cold here in two months. So outdoor stuff is happens, but not to the extent that people like to enjoy the outdoors as much. So a friend of mine. What part of Minnesota are you in, by the way? Minneapolis. OK, my friend of mine just moved to Minneapolis, right? He's running the classic rock station there. And he told me that that I didn't know this about Minneapolis, but everything has like overhead tunnels to get you from building to building. There are skyways that connect downtown. I had no idea. You get into the parking garage wherever you find space to park and you hop in and you just traverse the whole city. And another thing I've never because I've never been to Minneapolis, you can walk down the street. There are heat lamps over the sidewalks. Yep. In certain places in downtown, you got heat lamps there and heat heat that the bus stops as well while you're waiting for the bus. So my point is, is if Minneapolis can do this, Barry, with heat lamps over the sidewalks and the skyways, why can't Bonnaroo give me some damn air conditioning? Just giant. They can figure it out in a major city. Come on, guys. Yeah, well, you know, they probably will one day. A mister, just a mister. Yeah, well, they have AC in the media tent. Again, not everybody gets to go in there. Yeah, it's a lot easier to create heat than it is to remove heat. There again, Dr. Taco man, Taco. Earlier today, we learned that eyeballs are in the head, Phil. I don't know if you knew that. Man, Phil, thanks so much for listening. Thanks for being a Boneruvian. And hopefully we'll see you very soon on the farm of Manchester come 2021 sometime. Thanks so much. Thank you, buddy. This is great. I'll see you. Oh, Phil. Wonderful. Patreon. If you want to join the Patreon, you can the what podcast dot com or what is the direct link to the Patreon there? LT Patreon dot com slash the what podcast. Hey, that's easy. It's like you've planned that or something. All right. Vote on who you think the team is. The best Boneru starting five that you can on Twitter. The what underscore podcast. Of course, you'll be choosing Brad's team because we cannot let Barry's disaster result in a Lord Taco wipe out. All right. We're going to have to band together as a as a Boneruvian thing and fight these two people who obviously schemed this together. This was a total scheme. I've been this whole time. This was your idea. You guys scammed me through this. I know it. By the way, is there a prize for the winner or yeah, a mixtape, a mixtape. Yeah. Yeah. 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And he's as you remember, one of our favorite guests, very informative about the industry. Two years have we. It's been a been a long time. Yeah, it's been almost two years. Do we have one for the Moon River show? We don't know. No, no. OK. All right. Now we had Brad from a scene. We had Brad and Andrew Drew. Yeah. And then Brian and the and Ted and Steve, Steve, Barry. I hope your day gets better. It just did. No, because it's over. I got to see you guys. Talk to you next week on the podcast. Love you. Bye. All right. Hey, hey, hey, hey. How you all feeling? Journey through the stories that define the artist playing Bungaroo. Who are they? What are they? What will you see? The what? Which bands? This year, that matter. With Brad Steiner and Barry Courter.