Now that we're all recovered (mostly), it's time for The What Podcast to recap Bonnaroo 2022.
After almost three years without one, it was a different kind of Bonnaroo this year on The Farm. Though Brad wasn't on the ground this year, he led Barry and Lord Taco in a discussion of how it went for the them. Throughout the discussion the discuss the good, the challenges, and the "never not great."
Check out the full episode above, or watch The What trio recap Bonnaroo 2022 via Consequence.
|52:07||Barry and Taco share their favorite shows from Bonnaroo 2022.|
Well, the saddest part of the year is upon us. Bonnaroo 2022 has come and gone. The highs, the lows, everything in between. Lord Taco, Barry Courter, take us step by step through the farm. The shrunken Bonnaroo farm. The improvements, the areas of concern. The shows they love, the shows they didn't. The Bonnaroo 2022 recap. Now on the What Podcast. It starts right now. The What Podcast, which spans this year that matter. It is Bonnaroo recap. We've setting up to be a very busy couple of shows. Barry Courter, Lord Taco, I'm Brad. Let's go through it guys. What a do, welcome back. You feel fresh. How many showers did you take the day you got back? How long did you sleep? How many days to take off? There was a couple of good Silkwood showers. Definitely. You remember the movie Silkwood? No. Meryl Streep where they nuclear. Oh my God, Taco. And they like hosed her down with. And he's already doing a dad reference. Oh, it's one of my favorites. It's one of my favorite references though. It didn't take long to take out the Meryl Streep reference. I don't know. I actually, first time I heard it, my brother who you both know owned a pizza place that was by the river. And when it flooded, they tied a bunch of keg beer cugs, kegs together and floated out into the water. And then someone reminded them that that was not clean river water. So anyway, somebody said, yeah, I went home and took a Silkwood shower. So yeah, I've had several. 1983. Taco 1983. You know, they have this thing called table. They got this thing, cable and Netflix. We've heard of AMC. Harlew. Yeah. So you know, you might've seen one of these movies every now and then. 1983. Okay. Bunch of goobers. Anyway, yep. Got home. I got home Sunday morning. I left early. We can get into that. Taco. I think he just got home. He's still there. Yeah. Still here. Yeah. First one in, last one out. My man. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. When I was setting up and tearing down, I was literally the last one there. So I came home late Monday night. Did you really? They didn't kick you out. No. And at no point did you like say to yourself, I'm so dying to be in my own house. I wasn't in my own house. I was on the bus. Okay. Why did you actually leave? Now that I'm thinking about it, why would you leave? Did you run a lot of beer? I'm not sure why would I leave. Yeah. I was out of beer. Why don't you just buy a parking space up there and live there? I would if they let me. Yeah. We're going to get into all this, Brad. I mean, he literally was the first one in and the last one out. It's incredible. I think that's what we're going to talk about. I've thought about it. I've been on the road for a week. This was the year of everybody's experience is different. I mean, it's always that way, but this year especially, everyone I've talked to has a completely different Bonnaroo experience than in any time I can remember. In a good way? What do you mean? All of it. All of it. There were so many roller coaster rides. I was thinking about this. What was the year when we met Kristen and Jared from Repeat Repeat? Was that 16 or 17? It was the first year of the podcast. So yeah. That was 2018. 18. That year was magical. That year was like every time I got up and left my chair or rounded a corner or did anything, it was just magical. There was never a bad moment, right? I mean, it was magical. This year was a roller coaster. I don't say that to throw blame at anybody. Part of it is on me. Part of it is on the weather. A lot of it is on the weather. It just was good things happened and then not so good things happened. All in all, I think it was a very positive festival. I had a really good time. I'm anxious to go back. Not tomorrow. I am. I want to start with the basics. When you get home, what's the first thing that you do when you get off the road and into the house? Go ahead, Russ. I can tell you mine. It's the same for 17 years. I think I took a shower. It was the first thing. Yeah. I tried to wash some of the Wook off of me. Yeah. Not me. It's the opposite. I empty the truck because I know it's going to be hot. I know it. I knew Barry's thing is so much different because the stuff in my car stays there for probably eight months. I just don't have it in me. I'm so tired. I'm so beat. The last thing that I want to do is do all of this thing again. I just want to get in, sleep for a day and a half and shower. The car stuff, I'll figure that out later. Yeah. I still haven't even unpacked. I mean, the couch is still in there. The big head's still in there. I'm the complete opposite because I know how I am. If I don't, it'll stay there and then it'll dry rot and then it'll be stinky and my truck will stink. How'd you feel on Monday? Good. I was fine because I felt Sunday. Yeah, I was fine. You remember two, three years ago when we went Wednesday and stayed till Monday morning. I think I told you I unpacked everything, did my usual and then I don't remember anything until Thursday. That's the truth. I exhausted myself that year. Yeah. You watched Silkwood about five times. I watched Silkwood, took my shower. I crawled into my water tank and whatever was also in those movies. No, this was different. It was just a completely different festival for me. I should say too, on multiple occasions, and we'll get into it because of how it changed, but on multiple occasions, and Taco, you'll back me up on this, we all agreed we were glad you weren't there, Brad. Wait, what do you mean? What's that supposed to mean? It was nothing against you personally. Oh, is it? I find that hard to believe. You would not have liked our setup and you would have been miserable and made us all miserable. In what way would I have made the setup better? You would have tried and it wasn't going to happen. It was a downgrade from previous years for sure. We've been spoiled. Maybe it was a downgrade because I wasn't there. We talked about that. Yeah, I don't think that's- Brought up in the meeting. It came up in committee for sure. Speaking of, I got to shout out our neighbors and new friends that we ended up merging camps with. Jerry, Mike, Brad, and Beth. Oh my God, you replaced me with another Brad? We had an alternate Brad. You really crossed the line. That came up. This is going to be a problem. You don't see me hanging out with Brooklyn Barry, do you? I did. As soon as they introduced, I was like, this is going to be a problem. If I started going to a restaurant called Lord Taco, you guys would never speak to me again. It's not saying it's not true. As we've said many, many times, Camp Nut Butter was inside the woods. They moved us into the woods when we first was 2008. Yeah, it was a while ago. It's been a while. We've been very, very spoiled. This year we were out in a field. Not only were we in a field, but because Taco was first in, we were the back right corner. We could not have been any farther away. Which again, help me understand the logic of when you're first in, you get put in the very back. Why wouldn't you be put in the very front? You don't stack anything like that. It made no sense, especially because they guided me in and they lined me up. They're like, park here. This is a giant open field. I could literally go anywhere I wanted. They stuck me way back in the corner. My strategy there, if I was with you, to be fair, what I would have done is- Here's where it begins, folks. Roll back two minutes. The second they told me what to do, what do you think I would have done? And guess when you would have stopped? Wait a second. When Taco is telling me, or when the person is telling Taco, you need to be here. Okay, thank you. Thanks for coming. I know this place better than you do. Three, two, one, they walk away. I drive to somewhere better. Yeah, except they look out in this giant field and you've moved. Yeah, it would be very obvious. Someone might have noticed. They don't care. They just don't care. They do. They already came out and had me move once. Oh, come on. Really? Yeah. I'm not sure what I would have done, by the way, because normally it's just some dopey college kid. It's funny you say that, because that will come up throughout this show. That was theme number whatever. What do you say, Taco? Two, maybe three? It was so random. I mean, a couple of our guests that we're going to have are going to talk about how random security was. And I hope, I don't want to get into a throwing shade at Bonnaroo, but it was pretty random. I was just glad to get back there, because I swear I went through eight people to try to figure out where we're camping at. And they kept saying, they would look at my map and they'd be like, I don't know, but go on up and talk to that guy. Nobody turned me away. They just kept sending me through until eventually I found somebody who knew where it was. Let's go back. Let's go back. We teased on the show before, Taco was going to leave, they opened the gates on Tuesday for general admission. They were not going to let us in until Thursday morning. That's right. But Taco had a friend who was going to go and get her general admission camping on Wednesday. You went up, this is so crazy. I can't even keep the time light. I went up Tuesday. Just because you're you. I got nothing else to do. I got nothing else to do. What else am I going to do? I'm already packed. You drove up to Walmart. I went to Walmart. I went to Walmart and hung out there, made friends, spent the night there in the Walmart parking lot. Wednesday, I met, Wednesday morning, we weren't even supposed to get passes until Wednesday night. Wednesday morning, I met up with Ada, the dashboard mom, because she had an extra car camping pass. She was going to loan me. We went up to the high school where you pick up your credentials. I was there early. I said, can I get my passes? She was like, sure. I got in early. Then I just drove on in. Finally, after eight different people, they got me where we needed to go. We weren't supposed to be there that early. This only works because you had no, like you said, nowhere else to go. If this was Barry driving up from Chattanooga, no chance they'd let him do that. No chance. Yeah, because if they had said no, if the answer was no, yeah. Brian Stone would have been turned away a hundred times. Well, if they said no, I would just have gone back to the Walmart parking lot. Just to go back, because this is kind of a theme for the week, we were going to be allowed to get our passes on Wednesday night at six, but not get in until Thursday morning at 10. Correct, which makes no sense. Which makes no sense. So again, just keep kind of keep that in mind because that's sort of the running roller coaster thing that I'm talking about. This is, you know, this is not the normal Bonnaroo experience, but if there's something that we can say to the Bonnaroo folks that listen, why are you making us check in one time and then come back the very next day? Where do you think we're going? We argued about this last year when they started telling us that we wouldn't be able to get in until Thursday. What sense does it make to have somebody check in on Wednesday? But I think it was a staffing thing. So again, you know, it all worked out and it's going to at times it's going to sound like I'm, you know, complaining and throwing shade. I'm not. It's just the reality of what it was. Russ went up there, you know, where he and I are communicating, obviously. Brian Stone, our other campmate who's been on the show, been to every single one of these things went on up. That becomes a whole nother story. We might have to have him on and tell his experience because it's completely different. You know, let me say this. He had the worst start of anyone I can think of. But Brad, I'm not kidding. He was great. He was Mr. Happy this whole week. Once he got back, he was not the same. He had a great time. He had a great, great time. It's just, it makes you wonder like, yeah, what happens in his regular life that makes him so miserable all the time? You know, what happens in his Bonnaroo life that half of his experience at Bonnaroo is so miserable? I still can't figure out why this man is so sad and so angry. I wonder if you can draw a correlation between Brad's absence and Brian's happiness. Is it a coincidence or is it cause and effect? We'll see. He's coming up very soon. So I plan to make him as miserable as possible. I can somewhat answer that because at some point I'd had enough and I jumped on our other band or other campmate, Nate Gale. He kind of looked at me and I said, here's the problem. Brad's not here and I've had three years of pent up anxiety and you're catching all of it. And he did. So that happened also. Yeah. Brad was not there to be grape aped by Barry. Yeah, he didn't get grape aped. I am certain on Sunday morning when I was packing up my camp and making all kinds of noise that Nate was going to grape ape me, he was going to come out of that tent and bam, bam, bam. It was, yeah, we have so many moments like that. I'm telling you it was up and down and up and down. I mean, along with the field which we were put in with no shade and we were back corner. So you know, I brought the mailbox, four people saw it, the four people camped next to us. Yeah, we didn't get any traffic. Got no traffic. No one even saw it. We did end up, Brian Stone was able to find us. I was able to find us. Tara and Joe and Kai were able to camp right next to us. So we essentially had a very many camp nut butter. So would we have been able to, the way that our camp works is that we have people that come in on Thursday, plenty of people that come in Friday and a load of people that come in on Sunday. Would we have been able to bring all these people together and make this actually a camp this year or would they have been off on their own somewhere else in the field? A little bit of both. I mean, there were so many, like I said, so many, that was the bad news. The good news is Brian- The reason I say this is because most of the time we can rope off a giant section- Right, no, we couldn't. No, not officially, no. But we made it work. We made it work to get me in and then Joe and Tara were able to come in and get kind of behind us. The good news was air conditioned bathrooms and showers. Yeah, I saw that. That's pretty premium. That's the biggest upgrade. The other thing that you might not know living a traditional Bonnaroo life is that back where we are, yes, we have a really great spot, but they just invest zero dollars in the bathrooms and the showers. You guys have so much better experiences when it comes to those kinds of necessities than we do. Man, the one thing that you can say that is so painful is the bathroom situation. Now I have figured out a way to get around it, but for most people, it's still a porta potty experience. The shower, I actually never had a problem with. I know some people had issues with their showers, but I was always fine with them, but these are better. These were great and they were on top of them. They were clean all the time. That's pretty special. I'm not going to lie. You start your day with- Yeah, I called Barry Wednesday. I said, you want the good news first? You're going to love these bathrooms. Yeah, that was pretty amazing. A little bit of trade off there. Let me just go. Okay, okay. Stop right there. Now, take everything that you have from this new campsite to where we were. Would you trade the location in the woods for the good bathrooms and the good showers? I'll let Taco answer because he and I had a pretty lengthy conversation on Saturday night, wasn't it? Saturday night about next year. He opened the conversation with, if this is what we're going to have next year, I think I might just go to GA and then we talk for what, 20, 25 minutes and what happened? I think I decided, I think it's still pretty good back here. I think I'll stay here. It's pretty good. After the bathrooms and we're still right behind the what stage. You can get in and out. It's still pretty good. We can make our own shape. We don't need trees. A big part, again, he and I have different needs and experiences. I'm there to work. A lot of what I need is access and C3, which now runs the property for Live Nation, was not the easiest to work with. Because we've been there for so long, we have a lot of contacts and information. Brad, you were texting us and setting up interviews, which we'll get into here in a little bit, from where you were in New York and then we were going and doing them. We were able to get a golf cart ride out to the beer exchange, which we'll get into. We were able to get interview opportunities with three bands. We were able, what were the other, those sorts of access things that we need for our jobs, quite honestly. There were also nice perks, just to be honest. Yeah, it was a bit of a, while I think we were definitely missing a lot of the fun, we were back corner. It was just us, basically. Okay. But again, if you take away the bathrooms, would you rather be in the woods? You get the woods, but you don't get the bathrooms. Oh, for sure. Yeah. No question. Okay. Really? Yeah. That's not even... It's a little worse, but it's not like we were in North Korea or anything. It was still pretty good. Here is a great time of year to visit, right? Right. It's all about attitude. It's all about attitude. So, you would rather forgo the nice bathrooms for the better spot. Interesting. Ooh, I didn't say that. Well, that's what I was... That was the question. The other thing is, it's kind of like a V or a Y. We were probably equidistant as far as having to walk to get to media. So that wasn't that big a deal. It was just wide open, hot, dusty. You also have to remember it was so hot, you know, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Once the storm hit, it cooled off. See, my impression is that if... I have figured out and played this bathroom game for a decade and a half, so I know how to manipulate the bathroom situation. So that part doesn't bother me. I would 1 million percent choose the trees in the woods over good bathrooms every year. Well, let me say this too. This was probably causing us as much anxiety for the week before or more. They only wanted to give us two camping passes for three of us, and they gave parking to one or the other, which I fought and bugged and couldn't understand. What in the hell is the difference between parking and camping? Well, that's where I'm getting at. You camp with your parking. It ended up being nothing because the camp... I mean, the parking lot was literally right next door. So Brian Stone got camp or parking, his car was 10 feet from ours. It was just on the other side of a chalk line, a different chalk line. It meant absolutely nothing. You know how somebody gets a new job in your office and they come in and they're like, I've got to redo all of this. They got to take the pictures down, they got to repaint, they got to move the desk two inches this way to really make it their own. That's the way that I feel about it. You don't have to screw everything up just because you want to make it your own. It feels like C3 sort of inserts themselves and tries to make something... There's a little bit of that. There's definitely a little bit of that. The difference is, and I blame us, and again, I could be wrong, we have bragged about how awesome being back there in the woods is. I think somebody said, we could probably sell that instead of giving it to guys like us. I agree. We talked about there the other last week. They made more money even for a handful of platinum. Did you go back there? Did you see... It was empty. There were like six or seven RVs, but they still made more money off of them than they did... Stop it. Yeah, it was... Stop it. I know, but it was a wasteland. So they let you walk through platinum. We drove by when they gave us the golf cart. When they gave us a driveway and a golf cart. That's actually infuriating. Yeah, well, it was empty. Well, I get it. Yeah, I mean, those are not cheap tickets. What did they do with the RV lot right next to the woods on the other side where the RVs normally camp? It was still there. Okay. So guest RV is still over there. This was platinum. Yeah, guest RV. VIP was where it was. This was platinum. Okay. Yeah, because Evan was in the RV, wasn't he? He wasn't too far from us. Yeah, he was literally 100 yards from us. So you get into Centaru. What was different about Centaru this year than PASS? It was smaller. Roads. I mean, paved roads. Yeah, the paved roads. Oh yeah, how the paved roads go. I actually liked it. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't even notice. If we hadn't talked about it, I would not have even noticed. Well, how about this? Did you start noticing after the rain came? You know, that road gets very, very muddy. We didn't get much rain. The dust though, I mean, it definitely kept the dust down from everywhere. I thought there was a major storm one of the days. The wind. It was a lot of rain. We got a lot of thunder and lightning and wind. Lot of wind. We watched a lot of the pop-up tents meet their demise. Got it. I just assumed that came with a rainstorm and not just wind. Yeah, no. Got it. Well, maybe other parts got some rain, but where we were, we didn't get a whole lot of rain. It did cool things off. Oh yeah. They definitely, so Brad, if you remember Production Road, which goes along the back, like where the slide, the big water slide and the this and the other and all of that. Basically creates, it creates a big U around the back of the property. And so when it's crowded, that's all open and part of the festival. This year that was a lot of production. So they shrunk it in. What do you mean? That was where they put a lot of equipment, staging, trucks, whatever. They shrunk it in. No kidding. So where the food court, where the food trucks used to be, they short-cutted it. They went in and brought the walls in right there. And then the Oasis was how many yards further in to Centaru? Well, they also, and I think Russ, you pointed this out, they broke up a lot of the vendors, right? Instead of having them all in those long rows in Centaru, they put five or six in a clump all over the place. So where the bridges are between the big stage, the wet stage and Centaru, you might see a cluster behind the bathrooms next to the bridges. I don't know how that... You think that was lack of vendors or do you think it's to make the space feel larger? I'm guessing both. How it worked, I don't know. I never was able to... Did you hear finally what the general consensus of a number was? 40,000 sold tickets is the number that I heard. That's not official, but that's what I heard from multiple people, which puts it 50 to 52,000 with vendors and staff and all that stuff. It felt right. The big difference to me was walking through the big stage to see the chicks. You know how you would come in the bridges and the gates and you couldn't elbow your way even in? You walk right in and you could go anywhere you wanted. Did any show feel packed? I thought packed, packed. No. Isaiah Rashad to me, and Russ saw way more shows than I did. Isaiah Rashad felt right, though the platinum area, which they made huge, the VIP platinum pit area was massive. I don't know why they did that. Okay. I'm glad you brought that up because I was watching on the Hulu stream and I noticed the same thing. The pit is like a big upside down U. It looked like the pit was this much of the U and the rest of it was the platinum area and nobody was there. Yeah. That was my experience too with Pussifer because I got in the platinum area and you just look around and it's like, where is everybody? It's empty in here. Well, you know why? Because they sold 10 platinum tickets. There were a lot. I know. They just should have opened it up and let everybody in there. Yeah. But I guess if you paid for that money, I don't know. That was awkward. So it never felt like, there was never a show that you felt like, oh my God, this feels like a packed Bonnaroo. No. I don't think so. What else did you do in GA other than the beer exchange? Well, that unfortunately was 20 minutes for us. Yeah. We didn't even really get to do the beer exchange. You didn't do any Plaza stuff? I didn't. No. Every year, we talk a big game. Every year is I can't wait to hang out in these Plaza's and then we never go. Well, and I really do want to hear Russ's experience because he had such a different one than me than I did. Well, I mean, yeah, I did go down the group. I did go down the group. Okay. Hold that thought. Let's do a quick break and we'll come back and more Bonnaroo 2022 experiences on the What Podcast. And we're back. Here we go. And now we bring you to the Lord Taco Bonnaroo experience. Yeah, that's better. I think I think I think we hear this entire weekend in one sound. Familiar. Oh my gosh, Brad, did I tell you about the dragon costume? Well, no, we can't get to the dragon costume. Yeah, we got to talk about Russ's Bonnaroo experience, which is so much different than yours, you say? Yes, his involved the dragon costume. Let's just go ahead. That is not a dragon. That is a Tyrannosaurus Rex. It is. It's a dinosaur. But I did. I did get out to the Plaza's. I went out to group camping, which is way out there, way further than I thought. But that's where on the map, it looks like it's right there at the old entrance. I know. Well, you know, first of all, that old entrance was not there. It was an exit, though. I will say that. But no, it was it was way further down than I anticipated. But that's where like Roo Bus was and Roo Ham and, you know, Camp Redaroo. That's like all those big groups were there and they had a pretty nice stage. And I caught a couple shows there. I mean, the accommodations were amazing. But yeah, I mean, we and then we showed up for the beer exchange for like 10 minutes and then had to evacuate. So when they said evacuate, why did they make you guys leave group? Why couldn't you just hunker down there? We didn't have to. But our our ride, she said she had to get back back to headquarters. And so we thought we'd better hop on and leave. Yeah, you didn't know if you were promised to ride back. Yeah, exactly. We'd get stuck out there. Yeah. So this is something we need to address with the C3 people. And I'll call my people, Barry, but we need to have a car next year. Well, so that this is one of those roller coaster things, right? I mean, because because we've done it for so long and we know the people with AC and big hassle and all of that, we were able to ask our friend Ken Weinstein, can we get a ride because we had equipment, we had bags full of stuff to carry, not just the walk, but we had beer and we had beer to carry, which you can't carry through center room. Right. No. So we needed an escort and we got a really, really cool. You can't. Well, this year you could have. This year we probably could have rolled a keg through there. Yeah. Or a truck. But we got a great person named Romy who was so cool. And and, you know, I was let me just put it this way, Barry. I've never bought a beer in center room. Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know. And this year was even even weirder as far as that goes. I mean, we had, you know, people getting dog, you know, dogs going through their cars and then the next person was like, nothing. Stop it. Yeah. Like literally they the dog jumped up on my tailgate and had a nose about that long and stuck its nose and I said, do I need to unpack? And the guy said, see the nose on that dog? We're good. Looks like you might need to undress and not unpack. I know, right? Call me. They were they had now they might have had that before and I just missed it. Yeah, they had old crew this time, but it was it was hit or miss. But there was no dogs for me. I sailed right through. Yeah. I mean, they didn't even know what to do with me. So they were just like, just go on. This man looks like he owns this farm. Yeah. It's got a cool bus. Let him in. Yeah. But but so we got the golf cart, which was great, which, you know, was great. I mean, I don't know how else to say it. But when the when they all, you know, shelter in place call went out, which she was able to hear on her radio and we were able to get ahead of time, she was like, I think I need to get back. And, you know, we were with Daniel and Charlotte and the ruba and they were like, you're welcome to stay here. But we had a 130 with Brista Moroni interview back at media. So we weren't sure when the storm was going to be over and we would we would not have made it back. So we had to go back with her, which, you know, not complaining for the ride. I hear you. But the big question is the big question is, what did you trade a PBR for a taco? I brought actually I brought several from Odd Story and Barry brought some Hutton and Smith to excellent Chattanooga breweries, by the way. Yes. Yeah, we brought some Chattanooga beers and we basically handed them out and then had to leave. That's right. I did get nobody gave you a PBR. Nobody gave me a PBR. Oh, yeah, you got the criminal. I went into Liesl. We met so many people. That's one thing I meant to say, but I got the hug next with Liesl and she got this for me at a concert that she attended my morning. That's great. So got that. That's great. I got a wristband from Daniel and some pins. But we met I mean, Taka was shaking and he could be he could run for mayor. I don't know how many babies he kissed. Well, he'll be the judge. They weren't babies. They weren't babies. But we did. We were able to meet so many people who listen to the show. And that's one thing we both talked about several times, right, Russ, was that not only did people come up and say, hey, I listened to the show, but they thanked us for the show. And that was yeah, it was great. You couldn't turn around without running into someone. There's no need to thank us for this thing. Well, like the do's and don'ts. I know, right. That's why I bring it up like that. The do's and don'ts. People thanked us for, you know, you help me know what to pack and not pack and things like that. That was really cool. It was so cool to meet so many people. For me, it started I wasn't even at Bonner yet. I was in the Manchester Walmart just walking around buying some stuff and I was getting stopped. People were like, oh, you're Lord Targo. Hey, we listened to the show. Thanks. That's a big sign, though, Brad. You know, big. Well, he's wearing a PBR hat. I'm very teeing he's going to be noticed. Yeah, they noticed me. Holding a 24 pack of PBR with a PBR hat with a PBR shirt. Kind of a big deal. Kind of a big deal, Arrow. There's a big neon sign flashing over him at all times. No, but that was really cool. It was so much fun to meet and to see, you know, not just new people, but like Liesl and David Bruce can't wait till we get into the interviews that we were able to do. But that was cool. It's such a weird man. I've tried to get ready for this show. It was such a weird week, Brad. I mean, I go back to that repeat repeat year. You know, we're like everything. Everything was magical. This was this was one of those where it was so hot. I nearly tapped out a couple of times on Thursday. And then when it's all over, I'm thinking, wow, I got to do so many cool things and see so many cool people and talk to so many cool people that love this festival. You can't explain it to you can't explain it to even the folks next to us that that Taco mentioned that were from Nashville. They've been several years as well. You can't explain it to somebody who has not been why it's so special. You know, I mean, it's just well, I think I think I think that what I glean from Bonnaroo and honestly from living in New Orleans and now here is that the places that you love the most are the ones that it requires a struggle because the struggle is what makes you love it so much. You know, if you didn't struggle to live in New Orleans with all of the problems that the city has, whether it be crime or terrible gentrification or hurricanes, if you didn't have to struggle to live here with, you know, transit and how expensive it is, you wouldn't love it so much. And I think that the I feel bad about ever calling Bonnaroo issues problems because there's really no problem that isn't solved by the farm. There's no there's no problem that happens at Bonnaroo that's not served or fixed or figured out by just being a Bonnaroo because at the end of the day, you're there. So as someone once said, yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's it's and at some point we'll probably get into this more. I'm interested to hear what Daniel and Sharla from the Real Rebus say, because they were a lot more vocal about the long lines and the lack of the extra gates and some of the other issues with the jam tracks that I just never saw. I want to hear their their point to view the the entrance thing was was it seemed to be the biggest problem coming out of the festival that I saw over and over and over to the weekend. And the thing that it's one thing that you shut down one of the entrances. The thing that gets me is you did it the day that you showed up. You know, they basically told you with no warning, with no expectation. And people had bought tickets specifying which entrance they could walk into. That part is baffling to me and how how bad very much so. That was a selling point. If you were in group or if you were bought one of those darkroom tents, that was part of the reason you did that was you would have extra closer access to that entrance and then they closed. Yeah. Last man. And then and then when you see it absolutely not working on the fly, doing something about it, I know there's nothing you can do about it once you make a decision like that. But how did you not see this coming? Yep. There were. Shocking to me. I've been trying to think how to say this. A lot of the issues that I ran into from my own personal and then like this seemed to be a C3 thing, if I'm honest. The folks that have been there for all this time know what they're doing and they know the vibe and I had no those guys were great. They were great, great, great. The C3 stuff. I'm not saying they were wrong. It's just different. It just they do things differently. And some of that's inside baseball stuff that affected me personally. But things like that, what you're talking about. Well, I mean, I think that the reason why I'm so surprised because the thing that we have championed the most about this festival is the user experience and how easily digestible this product is for us. It's the lack of advertising. It's the lack of feeling like there's corporate greed surrounding it, the lack of what it feels like an industrial complex that's just, I'm just part of this machine. It always felt organic and thoughtful and unique. And it sounds the way that I've taken it is that a lot of that was maybe a bit whitewashed this year. There were some of that and some of that played out into the other thing like we're talking about with the access. I mean, there was no consist, which worked out fine for the most part in our favor, right? Taco, I mean, the gate situation. I was never told no to any question. Never told no. That's right. I was never told no. It was just move me on. Maybe this is a C-shirt. Never not great turns in never told no. I don't know if I want to wear that on a teaching. Yeah, that's why I don't want to bring it up too much because I don't want it to get fixed. But there was randomly, you see a shift change. That's what we noticed. The shift change, the new person was gung ho for about an hour and then they were sitting in 105 degree heat too and they just didn't care anymore. There were some things, and I don't know if you noticed this taco, but like that gate going from media into was so small. There was just the one, Brad, where we normally go in out of media and all that. There was just the one lane in and out. I can't imagine how bottlenecked that would have been with 80,000. That's to the left as you're coming behind the witch stage. It's to the left of the witch stage. There was only one way in and one way out. One metal detector rather. One metal detector. That's right. They were checking bags and stuff like that. They kind of were. That's what I mean. Sometimes. There was another one on the other side of the witch stage. The old one was open but no one was using it because there was no one in platinum. There was no one in the woods. Wait, so could you not access that side anymore? Yes, we could. We could. Yeah, I did several times, but our main entrance was pretty small. There was things like that. Well backstage tip, it's always better to use that entrance than the witch stage entrance. Just letting you know. Small tip. The extra walk that you have to make through the compound, it's always worth it, I promise you. I'll just leave it at that. Yeah, a lot of things like that. What were the other points that I really wanted to make? It was the media tent was much improved. Oh, the media tent was great. It was not just a tent. Surprising because everything that we were told, they were pretty much eliminating most of the media stuff. No, it was terrific. How about that? Air conditioned, lots of chairs, tables, things like that. Access, help from our usual guys, our friends at Big Hassle. They were all great. I ran into Ken several times. They were great as always. The difference is for the bigger questions, they had to run, they had to go through corporate and follow chain of command. Again, that's inside baseball stuff. It sure slowed me down. Did he enjoy the sweater that you knitted him? He did. It was a very special sweater. It was good. He was very appreciative. It fit just right. I bet he's still wearing it to this day. I bet he is. I hope so. Loved it. That's great news. Gifts were exchanged. What were the other things, Rust, that I wanted to make sure? I'm going to guess next year, not guess, but I don't know what next year looks like. I really don't. Two years of not having it, two and a half years really if you want to count September. You know, 40,000 tickets, increase in costs. I can only guess they didn't make a lot of money, if they made any money. My guess is we'll probably see higher ticket prices next year. No doubt. I don't know if they, I don't know what they do. I really probably shouldn't even try to speculate, but I do know they could not have made any money. Well, not only is there a lack of available funds for something like this, even though Live Nation's got all the money in the world, they still have to turn profits in these areas. They can't just rob Peter to pay Paul so they can keep a festival up on its feet. But I think that there's a real worry and fear and it's justified about where this festival goes because of not just the lack of attendance or increasing prices, but they've got a major problem with the city on their hands. That's right. City, county and state to some degree and some of the merchants around there, they've got some issues that have to be worked out. If you were to put a percentage on it right now, what is the percentage that Bonnaroo lives on that farm next year? And this is just me. I have no, I mean, I have some insight, but this is just me. I would say 80% it happens. I mean, that's incredible if there's even a 20% chance that it doesn't, frankly. Yeah. And that's, it's fluid. I could, you know, that's plus or minus, pick a number. It's not a hundred. I think, I mean, I firmly believe the real power brokers want it to happen. There's too much invested in it. And I think there's probably going to be a lot of, what do they call it? Saber waving sword, you know, rattling, saber rattling. Saber rattling. You know, there's going to be a lot of that, but I think at the end of the day, it's too big. It's too big to not happen. And it's too big in a place that doesn't have a whole lot of other options. You know what I mean? It's not like there's four other festivals lined up, ready to take its place. You know, it's not like a Nashville or an LA or New York or something like that. I think it's one of these things where if you look from the outside, and you may think about it differently if you're part of Manchester or part of honor or see through your life nation, but if you look from the outside, it feels as though the city of Manchester, which is making, starting to make a little bit of a ruckus here about, you know, things that they feel as though they are owed money, some, some expense sharing. It feels as though they think they have more leverage than they really do. Yeah, I'm not sure if it's city or county, but it may be more like the county, which lost it basically because the city annexed. But yeah, exactly. Yeah. I think some folks think they have more leverage than they probably actually do. That's what I mean. It's not Los Angeles and Chicago or New York where there are other festivals, you know, ready to step in. There just aren't. Not even festivals, but you know, you ain't calling IKEA to build on that farm. You know, just like what are the other options for that city? The city, I hate to like dog on Manchester, but it's not like they have a thriving economy and you know, a place where most of their, they don't have an Amazon factory. It's not like they have a giant swell of available, you know, capital if they can pull from. Banra is the biggest thing that happens in that city. And to try and milk it for just a few more dollars seems like a really risky proposition when by the way, you're not dealing with a small company anymore. You're dealing with Live Nation who if they feel as though this is going to cause them any more headaches, they'll say, screw it. Yeah. Yeah. What do they need it for? They are the gorilla. Yeah, my fear, I go back to what I said earlier is I fear we as fans may feel it, you know, in our pocketbooks too. And not just this festival. I think we're going to feel it in a lot of festivals. The costs are going to go up just because they have gasoline economy, you know, bands costs, all of that stuff. So we'll see. You know, everybody keeps asking, why do you think the number was 40,000? And I didn't hear anything different. Taka, maybe you heard something different, but I didn't hear anything to say it wasn't exactly what we thought was just a confluence of a lot of things, you know, economy, two and a half years of not having it, lengthy camping, lots of other festivals with good lineups, you know, not the strongest of lineups. So, you know, yeah, I mean, you can't point to one thing. It was just all these factors, you know, separate, but they all influence the numbers. But to that point, and I think we predicted this going in, everybody that was there wanted to be there and had a pretty good time. I mean, when it's all said and done, I really didn't hear any. I mean, even Stone, you know, Mr. Negative, Mr. Everything is awful was like three and a half days ago, I was ready to write this off and never come back. And now it's one of the best weekends I've had. So, you know. Well, I mean, that's a really low bar. It's a typical, yeah, that just means some girl smiled at him. Some girl smiled. Somebody told him, hello, I liked his socks. So he had a great weekend. It's the truth. And I, you know, I get it. I'm the same. Thursday, I was miserable, Friday afternoon was, you know, why am I here? This is awful. And then, you know, it was great. Well, this is this has been a lot about the organization. Let's actually talk about the thing that you were there for the actual show shows. Let's go through a best show. Oh, Tool for me for sure. Yeah. Tool and Pussiver. Yeah. Loved them both. I thought Tool was a little dull. Lyrics were good. Backseat lovers were good. I didn't see, like I said, I didn't see a whole lot. So I'm not the I'm not the guy. What was the Warren Drugs was really good. I bet. I really I like the Isaiah Rashad and I didn't think that I would. You know, you know, my my my thing on the lyrics, I'm not a big fan of the B word and the N word. And there was a lot of that, but I thought his show was very. And this you talk about the saying the word Barry. Yeah, the word Barry. Don't use it in public. And him getting the key to the city from our mayor. I know he's getting the mayor's getting a lot of grief for it being a political move and a and a and a poi. Of course it was. I don't know. What do you mean? What do you mean he's getting a lot of grief from? Well, it just from people here in China, especially people who don't like Tim Kelly. Give me a give me a goddamn break. Are you out of your mind? Politicians get on stage to get in front of people and do things like this. Oh, come on. Yeah. Yeah. So I thought it was great. And Isaiah was he was actually flabbergasted. Mom and dad were there. They were crying. I'm sorry. I'm flabbergasted by this. Why? Because there are actual people that are upset that a politician got on stage and gave somebody a key to the city. I don't understand. What are they mad about? Because it was a black man who's a rapper and someone was shot later that night. It was clearly after the BLM crowd. I mean, that's what they were saying. As a rapper, you can't you know, I mean, what are you going to do? If you didn't see that come and raise your hand. I thought it was cool. Hey, you know what? Donald Trump stands on stage and gives people keys to the city, too. You know, that's just that's just come on. That enrages me. I cannot believe there are actual people who use that as something to argue about. Well, let me say this, too, about that, because it goes back to what I was saying earlier about how this worked. Right. So in a lot of cases, things we were used to, avenues, doors, whatever, that were easily open sometimes weren't again inside baseball for me. The reality is I get a text from somebody at AC Entertainment saying, hey, are you going to be are you going to be in the crowd for the Isaiah Rashad getting the key to the city? And this is at what five o'clock? I think it was about 630. Right. When they actually. So five o'clock, 515. I'm like, what? What city? What mayor? Why? Why is Manchester? Oh, you're mayor. Chattanooga, Tim Kelly. So we all gathered, rally. I get our send a text to our photographer from the Times Free Press, who was also there, said, hey, we need this picture. We got to have this. And so met with her and we're waiting. We see Tim. We see Mayor Kelly. We say hello and all that and then find out it's 30 minutes later. So we weren't didn't need to be hurrying. Anyway, so I sit down with our photographer and our friend, Nate Gale, who is there working for one of the local TV stations, is standing there too. And he said, man, we were like, it'd be great if we could get this picture. But they only get the first three songs in the pit and then they have to leave. So our friend, Ken Weinstein, with big hassle, walks up, Nate goes over and says, can any chance that us from Chattanooga, we'd really like to get this picture? This is a big deal. Long story short, quick conversation. Ken says, sure. And he reaches to his colleague and his colleagues said, absolutely. So our those two were able to take the first three pictures songs and then hang out. And then when the mayor came out, they escorted him back into the pit so that we could get that really great shot. So they did the key to the city during the show. Yeah, yeah. That's kind of weird. Yeah, I thought it was going to be at the end. I think he did a couple of more songs after, which I didn't see. But anyway, my point is, you know, on the fly like that, that's the kind of thing that that roller coaster where we were able to get to us from being from Chattanooga was a really important moment. And they made it happen without any, you know, no fuss. Sure. They were really cool about that. That's that's the that's that kind of thing that, you know, is inside baseball to me means a lot. But it was very important. Very, very important. All right. Worst show. That's your best show. What's your show? I thought Tool was just about boring. I mean, it was huge and big, but the music was just it was just one 90 minute same song over. I think I think that tool I think tool has a has a reaction that's either going to be really positive or really negative most of the time. And I don't know if you're I might be wrong, but I don't know many people that leave a tool show going, it's fine. Well that's kind of what I got from people. Brian Stone. Brian Stone came back and was like, yeah, yeah. And like I thought the and I'm interrupting you, Tucker, but I thought the late night stuff that lasted till about six in the morning, which we all get to hear because it, you know, we're right behind the stage. Yeah. We're right behind the stage. Just was I mean, it wasn't offensive. It wasn't like, you know, bass necked or loud or any of those. It was just what's running till six a.m. every night. The other night. They had they had shows on the other until six in the morning. Yeah. Well, you know, we're near the other. We were close enough. Yeah, we were close enough. And it wasn't, you know, again, I don't mean to be you kids get off my yard. I mean, I like I like it was just it just dull. I didn't hear much. But of course, I wasn't there with the flashing lights and whatever enhancements that some of the other people might have been. I don't think I saw a bad show there, but there there were quite a few shows that were delayed. They started late and it was mostly on this tent. And so I don't know if there was just something technical with with that stage. But like the super jam was delayed. That can never keep time is this tent. It is perennially late every year. There's always something that goes on in that tent. I don't know what it is. There were so many shows that were delayed. And I think I even miss. Yeah, Backseat Lovers was one. I think I even missed a lot of the super jam because I just got tired of sitting around waiting and I went and did something else. Man, I hear the super jam was great. It was. What about the do you guys do anything with Jeff breakfast? Japanese breakfast? JB J brekki. Oh, that's too bad. Well, I told you I was going to see. I did. Yeah, of course you did. I know. I mean, the one thing that you did was you did a super jam. And I know I mean the one thing that you missed that is the thing that stunts me the most. But I understand why is Herbie Hancock. I can't believe. Oh, I saw her be here. I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you. You know, he's 82 years old. I think we saw her be Hancock's bus being loaded out. So I mean, Barry, how much how many shows did you actually see? What were you doing most of the time? Well, again, inside. For two days, I was waiting on quotes that I needed for my stories to get back from C3, which never came. Lesson learned. Now, next time I won't wait on them for anything. But I couldn't. I needed it for my stories. So I missed a full two days. Okay. And then Saturday, thankfully, we had all those interviews. And you know how it is when you when you got an interview set up. It's always opposite the shows that you want to see. And you run back and forth, which we did. So I mean, it's wah, wah, wah. I know it's complaining. So so tool and no show was bad. How about biggest surprise? Who did you leave? Who did you leave the festival as a big fan of that you weren't before? For me, that was Nathaniel right? That show was incredible. Absolutely incredible. I love Nate. I love Nate so much. Yeah. I really like the chicks backseat. I mean, those those guys, I respected they were a half hour almost 20 minutes late because the sound check does something was wrong with one of the amps. But when they came out, man, they came out on fire. That was a lot of killed it. Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad to Brad suggestions got put in the biggest surprise. Biggest letdown is something you had a big high hope high hopes for that let you down that wasn't nearly as good as you thought it would be. I don't think I was really let down. No, because I had no expectation. I didn't know what to expect. My biggest letdown for taco is is the beer exchange. The fact that not one person handed him a PBR is criminal. Yeah, well, we just you know, we were in and out. We didn't get to stay. It doesn't matter. Yeah, the bad signal was put up. The taco was put into the sky. They knew you were coming and nobody was waiting there with the PBR about that was I have my own. It's unbelievable. That was disappointing that we didn't get to spend more time because they were they were killing it. I mean, kudos to Daniel and Charlotte and Kevin and and all Mitchell, all those guys. I mean, they really had it packed. It was packed. There were so many people there. By the way, how is everyone? How's how's the team? Those guys? Yeah, how's everybody? Yeah, they're doing great. Wonderful. And, you know, for the first time in what, two years, I actually met the Ruham guys in person and had hands with them. Yeah. Yeah. Now, clarify. Ham to you know, they're like thing to thing. They have ham and to ham to baby or not a baby. And he could have he could have fooled me. No, he grew that mustache, man. Well, I've seen babies with mustaches. That was again, it goes back to what I was saying is everyone seemed to have a different experience. There were, you know, David Bruce, our friend, I am Bonnaroo was there with what, two kids? You know, two sons, two sons and a daughter. OK, so he was there with family for he was there with his whole. Yeah, first time he was having he was having a very, very special time. You know, Daniel, I think when I saw him on Saturday, he said first thing he said was, you know, you've been you've been sort of worrying that I might hit a wall at some point. I think I did about 20 minutes ago because they had so much going on. They had so many bands and they had shows. They had weddings. They had I mean, events. They were trying to coordinate. You're not signing me up for that zero percent chance I am going to be coordinating all of that. I barely want to set up camp. Yeah. But when I'm there, I want no responsibilities whatsoever. But kudos to them for that. And they did a great job. Everyone was so nice and people coming up and saying hello. And I didn't get to meet Pondo, but I met some of the people that were there with him. I did meet Pondo. Yeah. I'm telling you, Brad Russ was I mean, the you know, the big neon sign was working for him. He was we gave out koozies and stickers. Oh, yeah. I ran out of stickers several times because I was just handing them out. You know, he's got plenty of stickers left. Brian Stone. Because nobody's looking for a Brian Stone sticker. Nobody's looking for a Brian Stone sticker. And my final question is every year we have one of these moments that is the one that carries us through the rest of the year. The story that you'll tell all year until next Bonnaroo. What is that moment for you guys? I think for me and again, it's a work thing. But when we rolled in to interview churches, we had and we left we left backseat lovers. We had Nate Gale there as a photographer. We had David Bruce, I am Bonnaroo there as a photographer. Kai Veland was our intern because she wanted to be there. Brian Stone was running sound and then Russ and I, we look like we knew what we were doing. They were pretty special. At least you look like it. They were so great. All of them. We sure fooled them. Yeah, we fooled them. Got them again guys. Got them again. But you know, I think I told you last week, I knew this was going to be a work festival for me because I just knew how things were lining up. And so it was it was a lot of work. It was a good work. As far as that special moment, you know, standing in the middle of the field music, I don't think I had that other than maybe Isaiah Rashad and the, you know, the city thing. I mean, I mean, the moment meaning that it could be music, it could be camp, you know, two, three years ago, the moment that I will never forget. I don't remember a single band that I saw, but I remember the storm that came through and the head that popped out of the tent as the lightning strike hit. When poor Kelly, you know, pops his head out looking like he's Ace Ventura and Ace Ventura too coming out of the rhinoceros. Yeah, absolutely. That guy came out of that tent expecting to see angels. Yeah, he thought he was dead. He thought he was in the upside down. He literally came out thinking he was in. Did we have those moments at camp? Yeah, maybe. I mean, I think just the lack of everybody being there was kind of a highlight. I mean, it really just made us, I mean, we miss Brad, we missed Denson, we missed so many people from camp. It just didn't feel like, you know, a traditional Bonnaroo. And, you know, hopefully we'll get back to it next year and everybody will be there. But that was your highlight? No. Oh, okay. Because I thought I heard you say the highlight was Brad not being there. That's what I heard. Everybody's not doing it. Wow. Okay. Sorry. I hearst your mellow there. Well, the upcoming episodes that you will see in the coming hours and days, maybe they're already up, but we have interviews. We don't. You guys did interviews with who? Who do you have coming up? Bristan Maroney, churches, churches, and then backseat lovers. Love it. And that Bristan Maroney interview was, we did it twice and I don't think we got it right either time. What do you mean you did it twice? We did it twice because the first time Barry forgot to hit record. Oh, again. How about that? Looky, looky, looky. It strikes again. That was the audio. It always happens once a year. And then I'm pretty sure I hit record, but I think it stopped recording for some reason. So we didn't get video on the second one. Got video on the first one, but not the second one. Well, at least we looked like we knew what we were doing. We walked in great, man. We loaded in like pros. And to Bristan's credit, yeah, Bristan, he didn't miss a beat. We said, can we do it again? He said, yeah, let's do it again. Yeah, he was so sweet. I'm really proud of that one because it was Father's Day and he said some really amazing things about his dad, which were pretty special. Even the second time. But yeah, it was a lot of fun. It was really cool to get to do that. Well, the other thing that's interesting about the two things to wrap the show up today, first, three things, I guess. So first, go check out the interviews. Churches, Bristan Maroney, Backseat Lovers, it's happening here. It should be posted now. But the other thing, we were supposed to have a guest today who called me, bitched, yelled, screamed, broke glass. This guy is a he literally is a bowl in a china shop about anything that he doesn't get in his life. If he he feels so owed, everything in this world should be his. And the fact that it's not he's going to pitch the biggest fit of the world about it. And he complained and complained and complained about not being invited on this show. So what do we do today? We invited him on. He was supposed to be here exactly an hour and one minute ago. And where is he? Nowhere to be found. That would be Sean Stewart from Chattanooga, Tennessee, Sean part of Camp Nut Butter, nowhere to be found, making that part of the official record. Finally, the other thing that happened during the show that I think is very exciting is if you were watching on the video moving picture box, you got to see not just one but two wives today, two wives. You got Barry's wife doing laundry and my wife going to a pride parade. Apparently she's over it because I told her not to start wanting. Now you can probably hear it back there. I thought that was a train. That's the that's the washing machine. That's the washing machine. OK. All right. So we're going to have a conversation here in a second. Oh, boy. Yeah. Yeah. But you know what? We I really do want to have Sean back on because Sean, you know, we've always talked about our friends Denson and Mike Dewar being, you know, Jedi Knights and ninjas. Sean has a pretty amazing tale about his weekend with his general wristband and where all he got to go. So I'm looking forward to hearing that. But hang on a second. First off, we've already we've had Sean on before. It's really early. But secondly, I would not put this. I wouldn't put the words Jedi mind tricks in the same sentence as Sean Stewart. He didn't get around. I know. I don't I don't find what he does to be mind tricks. I think that he just officially feels as though he's owed this. So he just takes it. Well he didn't sneak up on anybody. That's exactly you know, you know, he didn't tiptoe around the floor. Let's be clear. But he got in some amazing places. Nobody's ever seen Sean said, where'd you come from? Yeah, stealth. Stealth is not what he does well. But it was funny. Every time we turn around, he'd be like right there with us. Didn't matter where we were. Yeah. Well, that's the old that's the old Joey Dubs thing. Joe Inland always seemed to find himself in every possible situation with, you know, just a smile on his face and, you know, how you ever spanned around his wrist. All right. Anything else, guys? Anything else you want to get to? I'm sure there's going to be more reflection in the coming weeks. But you know, after these, I anticipate us taking a few weeks off. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Four more shows. But yeah. All right. Well, love you guys. I'm glad you had a great time and I can't wait to see you at least next year. I'm sorry I missed. Sorry you missed it. I really am. Oh, that's what I was going to say. I didn't even bring up the live stream, the live stream. And we'll talk about this in another episode, I guess, because we're running out of time. But the Hulu live stream, man, it was world class. It was absolutely fantastic. I thought it was such a wonderful experience. Yeah, they got all the times wrong. But I mean, I was already locked in. I turned it on and I just liked watching whoever was on the screen. I really didn't care. I did catch a little bit of that. Yeah, it was great. Back in media, they had a little Hulu viewing area with like a big TV. And you could just sit down and watch it. So I and I'm trying to remember who I watched. I don't know. But it was good. Oh my god. Next time. Next time we talk about the Hulu thing next episode sometime. Please let's tell the story of Brian Stone singing along with the Red Hunched Li'l Lies. Please tell that story. Have I ever told you that taco? I don't think so. It's I mean, it's really one of our favorite camp moments of all time. All right. We'll leave you with that. Other than that, enjoy the interviews with Bristan Moroney, churches, Backstreet Lovers, Rate Review, do all those things if you can. And we'll see you next time. Yeah, leave a like. Leave a like, please. Leave a like.