Journey through the stories that define the artists playing by the rules. Who are they? What are they? What will you see? The what? Which bands? This year? That matter? With Brad Steiner and Barry Courter. Camp Nut Butter, thank you so much for being our guide, our angel, home every single night. Bless you! Man, I'm really actually jealous of y'all's faces on the sticks and the twister is pretty amazing. Nutter Butter for life. Sorry, I'm just a little depressed. Cause it's over. A little sad. Okay. I feel it. My heart's still beating for you. Even though you don't feel it, it's still beating for you. I miss you. I miss you. I miss you. I miss you. I miss you. I miss you. I miss you. I miss you. I miss you. I miss you. I miss you. I miss you already. I miss you already, Bonnaroo. The what podcast? A podcast for you, the Bonnaroovian, or maybe a future Bonnaroovian. By us, Bonnaroovians. This is Barry Courter from the Chattanooga Times Street Press and Brad Steiner from WDOD Chattanooga Hits 96. Another year in the books. We got a lot to, I guess, review, a lot to go through, but I think that we should probably start and if you haven't listened already, I suggest that you hit pause on this right now and go back and listen to Ken Weinstein who was live at Camp Nut Butter with us for a couple of hours. We hung out with us for a while and mostly just to drink the moonshine, but then decided to actually do an actual show with us and we learned so much from him. I just, I can't say enough about how the guys from AC, this might just be their natural disposition, but they're so unbelievably gracious, they're so kind and they're so able to talk to us about things that I just assume that they just don't usually talk about with anybody else and luckily they talk to us about it and because of that, we gain so much perspective on the inner workings and how this whole thing comes about. I totally agree and I mean, to be honest, the guys from AC have always been nice, from Ashley Caps on down and in some ways, they're just up the road in Knoxville, they have business dealings with some of the venues here, so that connection's a little more natural. Ken, on the other hand, swims in pretty deep waters, as do those guys, but he's a New York guy, big hassle media up there. I guess when I hear Ken Weinstein, I just assume he's AC Entertainment as well, but he's not necessarily. He's not, no, he's not and you can hear that in the podcast, but he's the guy who runs the media and he's the guy I contact and so to be honest, when I asked A, if he would do the podcast and he was so enthusiastic, I was thrilled and then I thought, well, let's just go big and ask him to come to the camp and he did and I think he generally had a great time, but you're right, the information that we get from those guys, I mean, I've had a week, you've had a week, there's so much rattling around in my head about how that whole weekend went. That's right. And that was such a big, big part of it. And you know, now this is two years in a row where basically the highlight of my weekend was somebody coming to camp and doing an interview with us. I don't know why that was, but like Ken coming back, first off, to get them off of the grounds because they're so busy, to get them off the grounds and back to camp is unbelievable. And then to spend as much time as he did and then be as open and willing to talk to us as he did, that, I mean, go, I'm just, I don't want you to stop listening to this, but I'm suggesting you hit pause, come back to this and then go listen to Ken Weinstein or make it a point before next year to listen to it because it's so informative and it gives you so much perspective that just adds to the Jeff Quay art chat that we had at the beginning of the season. It's a nice way to round out the entire series of season two. It all keeps adding up. I totally agree. And you get, like you said, the insight. I mean, and I think part of it and it's not to pat us on the back so much, but I think it fits into that is I think they realize the passion we have. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, I hope. Here's how I hope so. I mean, we don't do this just, you know, because we're getting paid. I know, but that's the, it's that level of, you know, just even going out and doing the beer exchange with those guys. I mean, there is passion all over that place for this festival. And it was just huge. So let's start with the beer fest and now that you've listened to Ken Weinstein, hopefully now you're back. Let's start at the beer exchange with the Camp Redaroo guys. Boy, I did not expect that. I did not expect what I was walking into. I mean, it was fun to be like amongst where Bonnaroovians are, where we usually aren't. That was pretty great to begin with. But secondly, how big that thing has become. It was a, it was mayhem. Not as mayhem, but mayhem. That was the thought, not specifically to Redaroo, but that was the thought I had driving over here. And even yesterday when we thought we were going to record this yesterday is Brad, you and I have done this now 14, 15 years. And I think you commented some months ago on one of these podcasts about how it felt like it didn't feel like it was that big, you know, and we kind of realized it was all the new people. When you walk in with fresh eyes, how massive it is. My takeaway this year was it just gets bigger. I mean, everything, the walking it, obviously, which we can make fun of me here in a little bit because I think that's one of the themes from this year is that you and I had some moments that are probably not our proudest. Me sitting in a chair, girl talk is not my proudest bit. We'll go over that in a minute. But so mentally, I kind of know the rhythm of it. I know every year it's the same sort of thing. So in that sense, it got smaller, but physically the size of it. But when we went out to Camp Redaroo for that beer exchange, it just reinforced how massive everything is and how many people, how many moving parts. And even more than that, a month ago, you and I were, I think we had our list, if not written down, at least in our minds of all the things we were going to do, you can't do it all. You can't come close to doing it all. Yeah. And just getting to Camp Redaroo in and of itself was a chore. I mean, and had we not had, and I hate to say this, but had we not had a cart, we might not have just, we might have just bailed and walked away because we had so much gear that we had to carry in. And I mean, we were driving around Camp Pods, I mean, for 20 minutes looking for it. Thank you to Dana at Kaleidoscope for making that happen. That cart was, we would have never, we wouldn't have made it. We would have turned around and gone back. Then you find it. Now, and looking back on it, it's pretty stupid how we couldn't find it because you just look for the mass of people. I mean, there was probably 200 people exchanging beers from all around the country, which was just phenomenal. It was really, really well done. And then in the little, behind the little DJ booth there is a pontoon brewing bar that included the beer that was made for Camp Redaroo and made for our buddies at Repeat Repeat, both of which were phenomenal. And because of that beer share, I want to now drive to Sandy Springs, Georgia and see pontoon brewing just to support those guys because they're doing really, really fun things. If they're willing to get out on board with guys like Repeat Repeat and Camp Redaroo, I want to support them too. Anytime I've got a chance, I want to drive to Sandy Springs. I think you made that point during the podcast of, again, the guys at AC and Superfly. If you've got a good idea and it's crazy enough, they're open to it. They're open to it. If it fits the mission, they're open to it. Man, that is, that is, that's such a great point. I didn't even think about that because that is the mark of a totally secure brand. I mean, think about all of the people that you probably run into who are so massively insecure just as people. Now imagine brands being insanely insecure. You can't touch this. You can't do that. You can't air this podcast because it talks about, nevermind. But the insecurity of brands is just rampant. The security they have of theirs to allow us to do this and insert people to do this at parties and artists playing in campsites. That's phenomenal, man. That's what I meant about it got bigger this year. It just layer after layer of things you don't even, I mean, we are so insulated in our little world at Camp Nut Butter that that was sort of my takeaway is there are things going on that we don't even know about. Right. There's Jim James and I wish we had more time. I know. I know. I do too. There's so many things we didn't do. Well, you want to start with your hits, you can start with your misses. You want to start with the misses since we're already talking about the things we didn't do? Yeah, I think well, and I asked you this the other day, let's just start here. Did anybody go to see Jim James? Man. It never came up. It never even came up. It never even came up as a conversation. And I don't mean to pick on Jim James. It was just that was I mean, that's a highlight, but it was just I got home and I was like, what did we there was something big. I totally forgot about Jim James. I know about it. All right. So I don't even know where to begin. So so first off here in a little bit, we're going to talk to Bishop Briggs and Quinn 92. I think that there's we go into this thinking that we're going to put all these up immediately. But you know, because service is tough and because the you know, schedules are weird, we can't get some of these chats that we have immediately up. I wish that we could, you know, but we have a staff of, you know, two and a half, you know, and the half is, you know, loading. Yeah, changes. Yeah, changes by the hour. So we can't get everything up that when we want it to. So I guess we just sort of reserved the Bishop Briggs and Quinn 92 chats for today. We'll talk to them here in a second. Basically it was their experiences on site, one of which was me destroying Bishop Briggs dressing rooms, talking about that here in a second. But let's let's start with the misses, the things that the things that you wanted to see, the things that you meant to get to and you never got to. Oh, man. I, Maren Morris, you never get to Maren. Didn't get to that. Which she had a moment. She had a moment on stage basically calling out the entire industry, calling out the country music industry. And in fact, I had dinner with her on Thursday and she said that was one of her favorite moments in her career because she finally got to talk about the guy who would not play her and said that she was never going to work in country music. How's that was phenomenal. Yeah, I thought that was I mean, hearing about it is terrific. Didn't get to see her. Who else? I don't even have the list. Yeah, Jim James, of course. Jim James, again. That was opposite John Primes. Again, the reason why you find that to be such a miss is because when you went back to camp, you know, some people went to some shows, some people went to another. We didn't hear the name Jim James once in the entire festival. And it wasn't like one of those things like, oh, man, somebody comes back to camp. Just saw Jim James. We didn't hear anybody go to him. Now, this is all like in a vacuum. I understand. So somebody's experience might be different, but it was it was like a day after where we all said, oh, yeah, Jim James is there. Right. Right. Miss for me, I did a walk by with Cardi B. I wish I had gotten closer. No, you don't. Well, I think for the experience, I think it's that's going to be one of those talked about shows. Good, bad, whatever. Yeah. Everyone. When I got home, everyone, everyone was talking about it because the wardrobe malfunction. Exactly. They want to know if I was there for the wardrobe malfunction. Yeah. So so big miss for me. And I'm it's really hurts to say it. I preached and preached and preached and preached. And I judged you if you were just called you a bad person, I said everything in the world. If you were to miss John Prine. Well, let's hear it, because I totally forgot. I totally forgot. Did you go to the national? Of course I went to the national. OK, that was the other one. Don't miss and Post Malone. I didn't I missed I missed both of those posts. I'll tell you why Post didn't do anything for me here in a second, but I missed John Prine and I really feel bad about it. And you went to it and had a ball. It was terrific. It was amazing. Brandy Carlisle sang with him. And I wish I probably should look it up. The girl who sang with him on in spite of ourselves did the Irish DeMitt version. She was terrific. Mm hmm. Prine. And I've heard so many people say this. Prine act just looked like he was having a ball. Really? Absolutely. And the way you took it, it's great. Yeah, it's great. That look on his face. He looks so happy. Yeah. And what and I think part of it was last year with Angelique Kejo, it was this way, though not to the size you and I've never really noticed it before. But you can tell by the number of label people that are backstage and the prime one was Pat. It looked like all of the industry was back there. And I think he you know, he obviously picked up on that. But the crowd when I actually walked up 10 minutes before, it was kind of light. And then all of a sudden I turned around and it was Pat. What a great show. Well, I mean, that's kind of my point, though. You can't see and do everything. That's been my takeaway from this this year. Yeah, I tell you, I had just finished with Quinn 92. I got into a conversation. I walked by Casey Musgraves and it was on the way back to camp. And I just forgot. Yeah, I totally, totally forgot. Yeah. And, you know, my my mind was in the one place of just get back to camp, reset, get a bite to eat and then get back to for the national. And I just totally forgot about John. I'm like a total dope. I did it. I did. All right. So that was my big miss. Now, I will say this in an other in a different version of a miss. I saw this year more bad shows than I've ever seen a Bonnaroo. I might have seen more bad shows this year. Now, granted, I saw some great stuff and we'll get to the great stuff first. I want to get all the negativity out. And I said this on the show that we had at camp. I don't like talking down and about shows and I don't like talking bad about artists, especially when they're on the farm. It feels almost makes me feel a little gross. I don't want to start dogging people out while they're at Bonnaroo in such a happy place. But man, I saw more bad shows this year maybe than every other Bonnaroo combined. I don't know what it was, but I can start on Thursday. On Thursday, Saba stunk. I mean, stunk. I'm 20 minutes of a hype guy only for Saba to get on stage. And I couldn't have been more excited about Saba. His mic was over modulated. The processing was terrible. I mean, I got none of the emotion and the feeling like I get out of the album. That show just stunk. And I hate it. Donna, Donna Missal, I just did not have any connection to whatsoever. I thought that was just so put on. Whatever she was doing on stage was just so forced and I mean, sank like a lead balloon for me. I got a different take because I only saw part of it. I think I saw four songs and I liked it. But hearing you guys talk about it, there was a lot of talking, right? It was so much talking between every song. She tried so hard to be an inspirational sort of like flag bearer. And that's cool. I appreciate the effort, but dude, it's just not your lane. You don't. There's no point in introducing a song with preaching and then following it up with the basically the exact same message. And I did hear that. Then the biggest miss of Thursday and this breaks my heart to say it, breaks my heart. We dedicated an entire episode to it. The Crandall Opry just didn't work. It didn't work. At least the parts that I saw. I had to bail early because it was boring me to tears. Now I heard it. Now we went to the Camp Ritteroo thing the next day and Mitch said he loved it. Yeah. A lot of people did. And I think that it hit a stride later on in the night. But man, that first 30, 45 minutes, I was just watching TV. Radio is what we determined. It's like watching a radio show being produced and radio show with commercials. So there was a lot of dead time, a lot of dead time between bringing acts on and off. Yeah. I get what you're saying. It didn't. There was no flow. I didn't love it, but I didn't dislike it as much as you. All right. So that was the first day. I mean that ended up itself three, I mean stinkers for me to start the festival was not the way that I wanted to go. But with that being said, the hits, Peach Pit was so much better than I thought they would be. They could not have sounded more tight. Whether it was Johnny B. Good. That Johnny B. Good cover was terrific. I remember looking around to all of us thinking that's a good way to start this festival. Well, it's just a smart decision for them because they're young kids and they chose a song that no matter what age you are, you're going to know this song. Yeah. It was a good start. All right. Then Friday comes and I again, I love Cherry Glazer so much and I love her voice. But boy, there's just something about the tense this year just did not sound right. Yeah. That's it. I must've been working. I was totally disengaged because the sound was so weird. If you stepped five feet out of the tent, the sound just went away and you could have a basic conversation with someone and I felt no connection at all. Unless it was an EDM. Man, that volume. Really? I don't remember who it was on Saturday night. You could feel it, not just hear it. You could feel it all the way across center room. Interesting. I got my mojo back with Crooked Colors. I liked Crooked Colors. It was the first time I have ever seen a show on the other. Since it's become an EDM stage, Crooked Colors is like the only time I've been able to say, you know what, I can go watch these guys because it's an actual band and they're doing stuff that's a little bit more than just the EDM stuff. But Crooked Colors sounded great. And maybe it's just that stage. Maybe the other just is so well, the production is so well done there that you can't see a bad show, but I've just never seen one there. It's a little more open to the way they've oriented it. It sort of throws the music all over camp. That set me back up and then Parquet Chords, damn near was one of the best Parquet Chords shows I've ever seen. They were so tight and they were having so much fun. They threw jello shots out into the crowd. That was a really, really fun. So now I've got my mojo back on Friday, right? And then to see the crowd for AJR, that was really great. That was pretty terrific. Yeah, that was great. And they were having a ball. They really were into it. Yeah, I was really proud of them. Man, that goes back to several years ago when that stage had that many people. It was huge. It was a big crowd. Okay, so then comes- I thought they did a really smart show. It was just fun from start to finish. Yeah, they're fun kids and I'm really proud of them. So then becomes something that I probably would talk about for the rest of my life. I have never been so engrossed and so captivated by one human being on stage like I was Childish Gambino. I can't stop thinking about this show. That might go down as not just one of the best headlining sets I've ever seen at Bonnaroo, but damn near one of the greatest shows I've ever seen. I knew it was going to be good. And I knew that I was walking in pretty blind as somebody who doesn't know a lot of his stuff. And I sort of kept it that way. I tried to stay away from the zeitgeist of Childish Gambino for a while. I was blown away. I've never, never, never felt that so euphoric after a show where I had so little expectations going in to begin with. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe what I watched. That was me. I almost missed it. I ended up somehow separated from all you guys and thought, I'm just going to see how far this badge, these credentials that we have gets me. Well, it got me to the front. Yeah. Yes, right. Were you in the pit? I was in the pit. Barry was in the pit. I was there on the rail, remember? I was on the rail. I was on the rail. No, it was captivating. It was mesmerizing. And the confidence that he had to hold whatever, 65, 70,000 people with bare minimum. I loved how minimalistic that stage was. Right. Because there doesn't need to be anything. There doesn't need to be anything. It's him. He's the show. He comes out with no shirt in those cotton pants. By the way, rule number one, if you want me to walk out of your show immediately, take off your stupid shirt. And with him, I didn't care. No, it was exposed. That was the whole point. It was just bare. Boy, that's a real... Listen to you being very artsy with that. That's very good. You'd be a critic for all these years. You learned a lot. That's very good. You steal a few things. But it was on purpose. It was intentional. And for him to go out in the audience like he did, to start out in the audience with that stage up on the scissor lift, it was very good. As you said many times the next day, there was not a wasted moment. It's not a wasted effort. That's right. I did say that because every step that he made, every dance move that he made, every facial expression that he had, every single thing mattered. And I love art like that. That's why I like Breaking Bad so much. Every scene matters. Every line matters. Dude, he didn't miss a spot. And look, a lot of people can fake authenticity really easy. And you can see through that within a few minutes. Dude, there's nothing fake about him. There's nothing fake. Either he's the greatest actor that's ever existed on the planet or he's just giving you an exposed wound, an exposed nerve every second that he's on stage. But I for the better part of the first 30 minutes didn't even know music was playing. I was so wrapped around his finger that I didn't even know anything else was going on other than that. Isn't that interesting when you're hyping this up talking about how it's placed in history. I don't remember much of the music either. I know. It was just mesmerizing. Because you don't know much of his catalog and again, I don't think his catalog matters. I know. And so I keep comparing that though it's not fair to the Brandi Carlisle the next day where the words mattered a lot. Yes, every word mattered. Every word and the raw emotion in her face. Whereas he's dancing around and doing everything physically. She just stood there telling these stories and talking about her wife and her kids and wow the emotion. So I mean I was going to wait on this Brandi Carlisle thing but Brandi Carlisle again you want to talk about top 10 shows I've ever seen of Banra. Brandi Carlisle is up there. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe the emotion that was pouring through me. I turned into an absolute baby. When she started talking about it being Father's Day and how she wrote this song for her daughter and she wanted to affect every dad who had a daughter. I looked down the line. I had you, Nick, I saw some other tears just coming down all of your faces. I lost it. I started bawling like a baby. She'd like three straight songs. The next one she introduced by saying she and her wife had gotten in a fight and so she gathered up her. I've gotten chills about it every time I think about it. For a week I've gotten chills about this Brandi Carlisle show. She had such a great line. She gathered up a bottle of wine or something and went and sat at the piano listening to Joni Mitchell and then there was a, how did she say it? Like we all do and then she kind of paused and she said maybe it's just the lesbians. No, it's all of us. It was really funny. Every time I talk about this Brandi Carlisle show I get chills. I'm getting chills right now. It was terrific. And her daughter being five years old the day before but they hadn't told her yet. I mean she just, I don't know. It was terrific. I don't ever want to miss her again. If I have a chance and if I have a chance to see her I can't for the life of me ever miss her again. That's just one of those feelings that I had that I don't want to miss again. She's too good. It was nice after the show the mayor of Manchester and an executive with Coffee County came out and presented her with keys and they were introduced by our friend Jeff Cuellar who brought his son out. That was cute. That was kind of a neat Father's Day thing. Back to Friday. So I finished up a childish Gambino which is a big hit. I thought Beach House sounded great. For all of the problems that the tents had this year, boy Beach House, I don't know how they fixed it but boy they sounded terrific on this. Then we had a little bit of a weird night. We started watching the Super Jam with Grizz and I did something that I've never done in the history of my Bonnaroo life. You had a nice nappy. I slept on the ground under the screen in Centaroo. I've never done that before in my life. I feel like I've been baptized by Bonnaroo. There were several things that happened this year that had never happened before. How many years over a decade of doing this I finally got baptized by the grass in Centaroo. It was funny because it was like just put your head down for a minute. You'll be alright. I was snoring apparently for about 45 minutes. Yeah, we didn't miss a whole lot. I wasn't overwhelmed by the Super Jam. Here's what's crazy about that Super Jam. Now I didn't of course I have no right to say because I didn't watch it. I was asleep but they added Rainbow Kitten Surprise to the lineup very late and guess who didn't make it on the stage? Rainbow Kitten Surprise. They bumped them. Remember when we were talking to Diva Mahal about being bumped from the Super Jam? Guess who got bumped? Added late and Rainbow Kitten Surprise never made it on stage. She did. She was great. She was terrific. Okay. And if I'm wrong about that somebody tell me but this is what I've surmised from every Rainbow Kitten Surprise fan that I have. They all say that nope didn't make it. Wow. Which is nuts. Because we went from there. Was that the night we went from there to Girl Talk? Then we went to Girl Talk. We went to Girl Talk and I had my moment. And Grandpa Barry. Grandpa Barry had a little bit of a trouble. So we're sitting in the back and one of our campmates. No we're not. No we're standing. Excuse me one of our campmates disappears and I'm like well I wonder where she went. Wait a second. So we leave the Super Jam because we all want to go see. What are you talking about? Girl Talk. Girl Talk yeah sorry. So we all want to go see Girl Talk. Which by the way the stage looked great. That was a really really nice stage production. So we're standing back towards the back. So we're walking towards Girl Talk and Barry's moving a little slow now. I'm limping. It's getting to the point where I mean it's two o'clock in the morning. Barry's pushing it and he's pushed it all day. Got the nerve. Got the nerve issue. So we can see it in Barry's face. He's pushing and we just want to support him. We just want to support our guy. And so one of our campmates disappears for a while and then comes back with what? A chair. And I turned to see her coming and it was one of those deflating moments that I hope none of you ever have to experience. I was both happy and embarrassed and sad. Well we didn't want to get all up in the whole Girl Talk experience. We were all pretty beat after that. Well it's kind of it. Hillary and Bradley did go down there because they wanted to dance and just so happened that was the moment when he decided to give birth to something. He started screaming. You don't remember? I mean I just woke up from a nap. I don't remember a lot. He started screaming like those old primal scream therapy sessions or like he was giving birth. He did like five times and Hillary came back and she's like I don't know what just happened but that got weird. Yeah I don't remember that. So those are my hits for Friday and then Saturday rolls around and you went to see Diva Mahal? I didn't actually. Really? No I missed. Big miss on Diva. And I was happy to have seen her with the super jam so I didn't feel too too bad. She was terrific but yeah I think that was another work issue kind of thing. Yeah. Had a lot to get done. I really now that I'm looking at the schedule I don't know what in the world I did until four o'clock that day. Yeah. I really don't remember. That's what I'm yeah. I don't. Again that's what I mean. There were so many. We all had plans. Yeah but it was at Camp Ritteroo. We went to Ritteroo. Yeah we went to the beer exchange. We left and again thanks to Dana and I think Hope. We were there a lot longer than we thought because it was so much fun. Well it took us 45 minutes to get there and we were there an hour. It was fun and then we came back and it was terrific. So I'm really upset at Miss Rubble Bucket because I love her. She's got such a great voice. Miss Diva Mahal, Miss Rustin Kelly, Miss Chelsea Cutler made it to Unknown Mortal Orchestra. Of that they sounded terrific. Got to see about 30 minutes of Bishop Briggs and then after Bishop Briggs we got to talk to her about her show at Bonnaroo. This was our conversation with Bishop Briggs and then I'll tell you a little story about what happened once the once this conversation was over. Bishop Briggs on the What Podcast. First Bonnaroo ever. Let's just start there. You're so excited about it. Why? What do you know about it? What do you hear about it? Well it's such an iconic festival and it was on my bucket list of festivals to play and I also really liked the stage I was on because it had just a sea. It was like a sea of people. That was so unreal to experience. When you say you couldn't afford to even go to music festivals. What would you have chosen if you actually had the money? Well I have to say Bonnaroo. Because of course I have to say Bonnaroo. What do you mean? Where are you from though? Where am I from? So I was born in London but I grew up in Japan and Hong Kong. Natural fit with Manchester, Tennessee. Wow. Yeah. And I moved to LA in 2010. And then when 2010 hits you start writing songs and is it an internet thing? How did you break through? How did it work? Well I was writing songs before that but I basically started performing around LA for five years each night, every couple of nights. I was also a babysitter, you know, seven days a week, what up. And I was really fortunate that one of my songs got placed in a Acura commercial during the Super Bowl. And then the buzz started, right? And the buzz about, it was just a name for me. Like I kept hearing Mr. Break. Really? And it was sort of like the Billie Eilish thing. They just kept saying Billie Eilish the same way they said your name over and over and over. She's amazing. And it always came with, man but she's such an enigma. We don't know what to do with her. We don't know what to do with her. Okay. And then when I saw the show I realized it because you have such a different take on what's happening and you're doing it in a much different way. We keep saying it over and over on this thing, on this show. It's all about vulnerability and you're not afraid of being completely vulnerable with everything that you do. It's my goal. It's my ultimate goal because I think as a human being, being honest and using your vulnerability as power, I think it just adds a pureness to life that maybe isn't always there. What about, you were talking about how you got here and that process on top of that. I think sometimes people forget artists are people. You were a babysitter. You had to make a, you know, you had to run around money, right? And then the online thing and then a dream. This thing has been around so long that I think we take it for granted sometimes that we forget that there are people here who weren't born when it started. You know, and so for you to grow up to want to be at something like this and then to be here, what's that process been like for you to get from babysitting to here? Well, during the babysitting days for the record, I would play at night. So after I finished babysitting. Take the babies with you. He was two years old. He's going to be fine. Let him run barn. Oh my gosh. Okay. But to answer your question, I mean, for me, this has always been a sole purpose thing. Writing is something that I of course want to do, but it's also something that I really need. It's a form of therapy for me and a form of expression. And I always want to have that wide eyed excitement. And I do get really emotional when I, I mean, I have so much, I feel as though I have so much more experience of performing to people that are checking their phones, you know, like, like looking away, um, that to hear people singing along or like showing up in the middle of a hot day, like, and that's the thing. I think I'd be grateful regardless, but I also, I kind of have the blessing and the curse of, um, my experience. So like, you know, I'm not the person that you're going to find complaining about a green room because there is a green room. Okay. There is a green room. Like that's crazy. That's crazy. It has a file cabinet. There's a file cabinet with a key here. Um, yeah, but, uh, and there's, by the way, something that they don't really talk about, which can we talk about? I get so much free Topo Chico. You should. It's on my rider. And I know that means it's technically not free. Okay. It's out of your budget. It definitely comes out of my budget, but I'm just saying sometimes you guys, I get a free Topo Chico. Nice. Yeah. So do you guys should go to therapy? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I started going two years ago and it changed my life. It changed every aspect of my life because I think there's something really mind blowing about saying things out loud because sometimes when you say things out loud, you realize how ridiculous they are, that like certain people are stealing your life or that you're working with someone that clearly isn't healthy for you because you can't defend when you're in that therapy moment. You actually can't defend it. It was exactly the same moment that I had. It changed my life too. And there was a stigma around it that we always get like, guys, it's okay. Yeah. Just go. Oh yeah. And frankly, somebody like me, I really like talking about myself. And once you do, you realize, geez, I suck. I mean, if that's your experience, it wasn't mine. I realized like, man, before I talk about myself, I really got to stop. Oh my God. Well, it definitely, it can make you realize why you are feeling the need to prove yourself every time you open your mouth. And I think that's very helpful. Is that the difference or where it takes it maybe to another level to just songwriting? Because songwriting for a lot of people is therapy. It is going to therapy because you're talking about your emotions. The feedback, I guess, would be from fans. Whereas now you're talking to somebody who's analyzing it. Well, here's the thing. I think sometimes when you tour, so writing, yes, is therapeutic. But then when you tour, it's kind of like the opposite of therapy because you're just repeating yourself every night. You know, you're not like realizing things. It could be therapeutic. That's what I mean, the feedback type of thing. It is. Okay. Yes, you guys, it is therapeutic. But I'm also saying it can make you go manic. Because you're reliving. You're stuck. I mean, for me- It's groundhog night. It's groundhog. Well, in the sense, for me, I go back to where I was, what emotion I was feeling. Does that make sense? Absolutely. I do a weekly show with local musicians where they come in and play. And on several of the last ones, people have written songs about losing a parent or a loved one or something. And, I mean, there's tears that well up. And it's one thing to be 20 rows back or whatever and feel the emotion of a song, but to be sitting one-on-one, two feet away from somebody- Acoustic. Watching them literally talk about a family member they just lost. Yes. You really see that vulnerability. Yeah. And I think we- And that what you just said, man, why do I want to do that every night? But you do. And there is something therapeutic about, I think, what you're saying with the feedback and knowing that by saying it or singing it, that maybe people feel less alone by listening. And that's kind of my goal, is that hopefully people feel less alone. So if there was one that hurts the most or is the hardest to get through, still, which song is it? For recently, because it's a brand new song, it's this song called Tattooed on My Heart that I played at the show. Do you guys remember? Yeah. You're going to pretend? No, I wasn't. Oh my gosh, you guys. No, I know. So I got 30 minutes in. I got 30 minutes in. Oh my God. What? Hey, it's Bonnaroo. You got a lot of places to go. You got a lot of places to go. Okay, well- I'll tell you this. What we didn't have the last time I saw you was a chorus behind you. Yes, there was a choir. You didn't have that. You didn't have that last time I saw you. There was a choir that came out, yes. But the second to last song was this song called Tattooed on My Heart. And it was this song that I wrote a couple months ago. And so it feels so fresh. And same with, actually, Higher, the song that had the choir. I think both of those, they are just so fresh. And yeah, those are raw for sure. It's interesting to hear you talk about connecting with people because we just talked to Quinn earlier. He was saying the same thing. And we've heard, I've heard it from a lot of artists, is getting that feedback from somebody who says, you helped me type of thing. Yes. I don't know that people start out writing songs for that reason, but it seems to- Totally. They're trying to release what is going on. Yeah. And trying to understand what is happening. That has to be so powerful to have written something probably alone in a room, whatever, not thinking anyone would ever get it. And you kind of have to tell yourself that no one will hear it too. Right. And then have people come back and say, wow, that really touched me. It has to be. It is all the gold. It really is. It's such a dream. It's such a dream. And you've got this thing where it's all authentic. And I think that the reason why you connect as well as you do, at least for me, is because I never feel a second when I'm watching you, like, this is such a brutal one. And it's so rare. We don't have many of them. And we're finally in the industry getting back to that. I think so too. I think we kind of had a moment where things were a little bit manufactured. And then I think people started realizing how to do that. Maybe it was even how to edit vocals and how to cut things and how to edit videos and slow things down, speed things up. But now my hope is that people are wanting that Amy Winehouse thing, where it was just telling the truth. It wasn't protecting the guy. It wasn't protecting herself. It was just telling the truth. And there are people like you doing it. And then on the complete other end, there's Lizzo. Oh my god, Lizzo. Oh my god, Lizzo. I love her. It's killing it right now for exactly the same reason. Oh my gosh. I know the entire Truth Hurts song. Oh yeah, who doesn't? Okay, well I'm special. No, but even I say, I walk down the road like, I took a DNA test. I'm 100% that bitch too. He does actually. I am that bitch. Oh it's so good. It's so good. Yeah, she's someone that I just, I look up to so much. And she's just incredible. Well yeah, that's what I'm saying. You guys are there. You guys are there. And the industry is seeing you just nibbling at the edges. And it's about to happen. I feel like it's about to happen at some point. Well, we've talked about it a bunch. I mean, it's not an accident, right? I mean, it's been a common theme with a lot of artists that we've talked to. And I don't think we intentionally went after that. We just settled on the artists that touched us that way. Yeah, we do have a common theme. And it's not a rhyme or reason, but we find the ones that, that, exactly that. Yeah, so we seem to land on. Thank you. Oh, thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you for coming to this luxurious room. I was thinking. This is the swankiest we've had so far. You could say it's Topo Chico for the road. I mean, you're sitting on the Topo Chicos, but you're sitting on the Topo Chicos. Who knew that Camp Nut Butter had better accommodations? Who knew? Oh my God. Bishop Riggs brought out about 200 choir members for this song, and it was absolutely gorgeous. Telling you, she's got this voice and she's got this stage presence. It's, I mean, totally engrossing. She's I'm telling, I don't know. I love her. And the first thing that she did when we walked into her dressing room after the show. Big hugs. Big hug. She's so nice. She is so sweet. And it's also like almost she's so nice. It's almost a little bit debilitating. Like I don't know how to talk to her because she's just so sweet. She's super, super nice and engaging. Talk to us like we've known her our whole life. Forever. Yeah. Welcome to us into the dressing room. She's just so pretty. She's so pretty. So pretty. And then you embarrassed. Okay. So this was the second stupidest moment of my boderoo this year. Alright, so she's talking about how much she loves Topo Chico, right? She mentioned in the interview that she keeps getting free Topo Chico. So it's the best part of the whole experience. I mean, I don't know why she's excited about Topo Chico and not the blues, but whatever. She loves the Topo Chico. Alright, so she doesn't have a bottle opener to open the Topo Chico. And I wish you were recording this, but yeah, well, so here's how it happens. So the interview in this trailer is a trailer in name only. It's as big as the couch and the ice chest full of Topo Chico and a countertop. And that's it. I sat on the cooler. That's how small this thing is. So it ends and she's like, you guys got to get a Topo Chico. Well, no, no, no, we can't take you. And I'm starting to pack up my recorder, got my back. And then she hands you one of these bottles and doesn't have a bottle opener. Doesn't have a bottle opener. Brad goes frat guy. Well, she says, she goes something to the effect of, can't you just open it like on the corner of the table? Yeah, I can do that. I did all the time in college. Watch this. Which by the way, hey, watch this is the start of every terrible decision you've ever made. Alright, so I go to put it on the corner of the table and I was going to pop the cap off, you know, put it to the corner and pop the cap. Well, when I did that, the cap grabbed the side of the panel and ripped the paneling off of the countertop. Took the molding. Took the molding right off of the countertop. She just looked straight down with horror on her face and she said, I'll be charged for that. Okay. Alright, well, if that wasn't bad enough. Yeah, then to fix it, it gets worse. Well, her manager, whoever was there with her said she wanted one too. And I was like, well, I'll just open it. And she's like, well, don't use the countertop. I was like, well, I mean, it's already broken anyway. It's not going to matter. So I might as well just use the countertop that's already here. And so when I go to open, pop the same top, do the same thing, it slips out of my hand. Topo Chico literally flies four feet away in the air. Topo Chico is flying everywhere. And the entire trailer now is covered in a bottle full of Topo Chico. I look down between my feet and there's a spinning bottle of Topo Chico everywhere. Fizz. Alright, so then I panic and I start looking for some sort of paper towel or something to wipe all this up. And Bishop Briggs just looks me in the eye and she says, just go. I'll get it. Just go. She's literally now standing by the door. Like the hostess who won't, you know, you think I left on good on a good term though. You think we left on good terms? Memorable. She remembers us. I'm pretty sure of that. I couldn't pack that bag fast enough. I was like, let's just go, please. I mean, we're still friends, you think, right? Yeah, we have, there were hugs. There were hugs. I don't know if I got a hug. I got a hug. But I think it was more of a push. It's a fine line between hug and push, isn't it? Hands on the shoulders push. Okay. Then so Saturday continues Bishop Briggs and went to Quinn 92. Again, Quinn 92 is so good. We talked to him shortly before his performance. We left Bishop Briggs and then went straight to Quinn 92. Quinn 92 is very underrated. I love him as a lyricist. I think he's writing really interesting, heartbreaking songs, but he's wrapping them up into, you know, fun, youthful hip hop beats. So he continued that same theme that we had. We had started weeks ago interviewing Patrick and DeLacy who didn't make it by the way, but that whole write what you know, write what you feel, write for yourself. And don't be afraid to be vulnerable. Yeah. So this was Quinn 92 backstage at Bonnaroo on the What Podcast. Where are you from? I'm from Detroit. Okay. Yeah. So not too far from here, but I live in California now, so I don't get to come over here as much often as I want to. I am, I couldn't be more excited to meet you. Thanks dude. Because I don't know if there's a way to describe you. I've tried to describe you many different ways to many different people and it never works out. Yeah. I don't have a right line. But all I know is I tell them every time, it doesn't matter what the genre is, it's like nothing but vulnerability. Thank you man. And I love that. Yeah, thank you. I absolutely love how vulnerable you are. Thank you so much. Yeah dude. It's, I feel like kind of piggyback off what you said. There's never, I struggle with describing to people what my music sounds like. So I kind of call it melting pop, like a melting pot, but it's pop music in a way. But then yeah, I try to be as vulnerable as possible. So I'm happy you picked up on that. That's what connects with people though, right? It doesn't matter how it's packaged. Totally. I think fans are really smart and you know, I think if they see something that is a little phony or they don't believe it's the real emotion that the artist is trying to convey, I think they'll go on to the next thing. And I think they understand that at least what I'm doing is real and vulnerable and I think they appreciate that. It's so nice. We get lost on process a lot. So we dork out on stuff like the process of Bonnaroo, but the process of writing songs and then getting them into somebody's hemisphere. How in the world do you transition from what you're doing into like a radio thing? How do you transition into pop culture? How do you transition? How do you break through? I try to, it's really tough because I feel like my music rides a very fine line between mainstream and kind of left the center indie stuff. Red pill. There you go. You're taking a lot of pills. It doesn't really work. It doesn't work exactly. It does, like I said, some audiences that won't apply to me, but I try not to think about it too much. I just want to stay myself as much as possible. I would rather the mainstream come knocking at my door than me applying to what they're listening to and yeah, try to go, try to go down. We've had a couple of guests. It's funny that a couple of the guests that we've had on this show have talked about how that vulnerability made them a little bit nervous at first. Delacy was one who said she was writing just for herself and didn't care if anybody else heard it and it worked. That sort of putting yourself out there is kind of scary, right? Oh, totally. I mean, this last album I put out, it was the first time I ever really opened up about my episodes with depression and anxiety, but in a weird way it was very therapeutic and it, like you said, it can be very scary, but I think knowing that thousands of kids out there want to hear that and are going through the same thing, it gives someone like me the courage to talk about it. Is that something you had? Was there artists that you connected with that said, wow, that song's for me? Yeah, for me it was Kid Cudi. For me, I thought his whole music was very, very vulnerable and I can't even give you one song. I think his whole discography is very interesting and very self-reflective. You could have said a thousand names. I never would have guessed Kid Cudi. Really? Oh dude, he's one of my, he's probably my hero in the music world. Yeah, but, and just in the sense where he took his creativity and he just was putting out stuff that nobody was sounding like, but also saying things that nobody was saying. He was the first guy I was like, holy shit, this is really special. You said something to the effect of brittle anxiety and neuroses or whatever, but vulnerability. But you're married now? I just got married. How'd it go? It was great. Okay. I guess things are going well. I just got back from my honeymoon. Where'd you go? I went to Italy. Italy. Nice. I'm like, you're high. Full of pasta and marinara and all that stuff. So I'm hopefully not going to throw up today on stage. He's high on honeymoon, guys. He's high on honeymoon. Yes, yes, yes. So yeah, it's good. Is there, now that you've sort of written that and you're hearing, I guess, from kids who are thanking you for your music, what does that do? Does it change at all the dynamic for you now? Is there pressure? Is there, you know? Yeah. I know what you're asking, I think there is a bit of pressure. I mean, for the most part, there's not pressure because I think I've been able to realize that all my fans are so accepting of what I want to, what I choose to talk about as an artist. But there is a sense of pressure in the sense that I want to keep helping people. And I think now that I've gotten that sort of, that feeling of what music can really do for people, like this last album really impacted a lot of people for the better in terms of mental health. And now that I know that's really a thing, I want to keep using music as that kind of tool. So there's a sense of pressure that I want to keep connecting with people on that level. But for the most part, not really. I think my fans are so cool and accepting and super good people. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And it's your first Bonnaroo. It's my first Bonnaroo. First time here as a person. Yeah. So I'm super, super psyched. Coming from Detroit, what had you ever heard of Bonnaroo? What was the idea behind it? I mean, the impression, I guess. Yeah, the impression that I guess I got as an outsider was like a big camping festival, you know, thousands of people just like in tents and doing it how festivals should be done. No showers for three days, four days. It's like a high day festival actually. I go to a hotel every other day. I mean, look, I'm the same way. I'm not out here camping with the real festival goers, but I really appreciate the fact that, I mean, this festival too in Michigan called them Electric Forest. Yeah. In the same sense where people really go all out and they just kind of leave their inhibitions at the door and they just really embrace themselves at the festival for a weekend. Well, they're giving you a lot. Yeah, exactly. And they expect you to give them back just as much. 100%. No, they deserve more, you know? That's the beauty of this entire experience. We know that every person out there is giving every ounce that they have. Totally. That's why every show here is so much better. Totally. Everybody tries to bring it a little bit different level. Yep. I believe it. Bring it a little different and we've talked about the fact that we are here camping, there's a commitment level that's different than some of the others. Of course. We've talked about that, but also the chance to put yourself in front of fans who, you know, were here to see Gambino. Yeah, right, right. Now it's your chance. Casey Moskowitz, somebody else. Yeah. Or John Brine. I think that's the... And now you get to be in front of them too. Yeah, I think that's the best thing about festivals is you get to make new fans and perform for people that probably have no idea who you are. And that's most of it. But that's the beautiful thing about festivals, you know? And you're staying tonight? You're seeing the whole thing? I'm hopefully staying tonight, yeah. We play at 6.30 tonight and then I'm hopefully going to stick around. What are you seeing? I want to see Casey play. I want to see Post Malone, I want to see... But you're a hip hop guy. So we talk about lanes a lot on this thing. So if you were to find your headliner that you'd follow all the way through the festival, would it be Post Malone? This festival? I mean, I don't know. I know it's so funny, I'm a big Post fan, but someone like Casey Moskowitz can put out such a... It's a totally different thing. Yeah, exactly. And I think for me it doesn't matter what genre it is, as long as the music is undeniably special, I'll chase that person around. That's awesome. I'm going to be like bowling real quick. Yeah, exactly. There you go. Putting themselves out there. Well, don't get the eye tattoos. That's all I said. I don't think I can pull that off. I think Post can get away with that, not me. You're doing fine with Michigan. Yeah, I got a couple small ones. You're good with Michigan, you're doing fine. I'm actually glad you picked this up. My dad always thought it was a whale, because I turned it this way and he's like, what the hell is that? No, dad, I didn't need her. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It was nice meeting you. This is really exciting. I can't wait to... You were a late draw for me. When I found out, it was really, really exciting. Thanks, man. I appreciate it. Yeah, it was great talking to you guys. Thank you. Yeah, thank you, Alan. Thanks so much for your time. Yeah, great. Appreciate it. Yeah, it was great. Thank you so much. From the Mac DeMarco School of Dressing, Quinn92, who, you know, sometimes I do want to shake some people that I really like and I want them to just start taking their stage presence seriously. I like him so much, but you got to put on some clothes, bro. You got to put on something that makes me seem like you're actually caring about being here. That's the only critique that I have of him. Other than that, I loved it. I really did love it a lot. Yeah, he was great. He was great. Great interview. But I know what you're saying when he walked up. I was like, okay, where's... I honestly, I was calling his manager. He was standing right next to me and I didn't even notice. Both of them. I'm like, oh my God, that's Quinn. And it's because he's like, I thought he was going to change clothes when we talked to him. But no, that's exactly what he wore all day. He is who he is. All right. So then the national show was tremendous. I absolutely, absolutely loved it. It just keeps getting better. That light show is so good. And then Post Malone. Now, I'm not going to say anything bad about the Post Malone show, but let me say this. After a night of Childish Gambino, watching what he did on stage by himself, Post Malone, like I spent 20 minutes with this and I'm like, yeah, I'm done. I didn't care. That's how good Childish was. I could have pulled a Paul McCartney and just left after the Childish show. It was so good. But Post Malone is you're doing your hip hop show and you're standing there by yourself. I saw that last night and I saw it done 10 times better. Well, speaking of, and we had mentioned this last week, we're going to talk about it. I'm not into the hype man thing. If you got to eat up 10 minutes of your show with a hype man, I mean, I get the idea of it, but I don't like it. I don't like the hip hop shows with somebody yelling, stand up and scream. I mean, man, I've been hearing that for 35 years. Somebody's got to come up with something different and better. After Post Malone, a lot of people did Lonely Island. You know, I didn't. And then Claro. I did Claro instead because I, man, she's got something. She's got something that just tears me apart how good she is. I'll be honest though, that was a very weird time for her. I don't understand the idea of putting that sound on at 1220 at night. I liked it, frankly. I liked it a lot more than a lot of people I was with. But again, it's a timing issue. I don't think they did her any favors by putting her on at 1230, 1245 at night. It just is not the sound that I'm looking for at that point. So you know, I don't know how many people felt about Claro. I liked it a lot. Yeah. I liked it because we were, I'm remembering now, back at camp. Well then we were playing host. Yeah. And then we left Claro and we had some people back at camp that we wanted to see and hang out with. And boy, did we hang out. Yes, we did. Oh my goodness. It was a proverbial shit show. Absolute disaster. So we take former guest of the What Podcast, Jim Burris, who is one of the guys at Columbia Records. We take him, I don't think he wants anybody to know this, but I'm making it clear. We took him to Gucci Mane. We got him dancing at Gucci. His son Logan. Yep. It was what, 2.30. We head on over to Gucci Mane. And Barry didn't even need a chair. Didn't he? Oh, I was dancing. So we had a good time. Then we spent some time at the Calliope stage. We watched the fireworks there. That was a lot of fun. And then that was pretty much it for the rest of the night. And then we got to Sunday, and Sunday set up essentially like I thought it was going to set up in a lot of stuff that if I see it, I see it. If I don't, I don't. That was a weird day because it was predicting rain early. And I have to admit, I was considering leaving because I was not going to stay and fight rain. Yeah, I had to keep you there. I literally had to chain you to camp. And then it cleared up. And what a horrible decision that would have been had I left. I would have missed Ken. I would have missed Brandi Carlisle. Yeah, we had Ken come by the camp. And again, if you haven't listened to it, pause this, go back and listen to it. I'm going to pass everything before Brandi Carlisle because none of it matters. I mean, it could have been it doesn't matter who's there. That Brandi Carlisle show is absolutely unbelievable. If you're in and around Chattanooga, figure out a way to get Moon River tickets because she's coming to Chattanooga. Even if you're not, find a way to see her because there's something religious that happens to you at that show. Very, very good. And she has the we had it. We did have a kind of a laugh because the twins, the bass player and guitar player that play for remember, I said they kind of kind of creepy looking and Nick said they look like the twins from The Matrix. And then they are very, very talented and a big part of the show. And then it was sort of like the rest of the night was just total eye roll for me the rest of the day. Look, I like Little Dickie, but that stunk. It stunk again. The hype man. He didn't even he started late, came out late or later than advertised. Then 10 minutes of hype man. I mean, cool. It's funny. But you took your pants off. How funny can it be if you keep taking your pants on? And then he he did the national anthem, which I'm not exactly because he doesn't have material. That's the only thing I could think of for 15 minutes in between every song because he has no song. And then you do then this is what makes me so mad. The biggest song that you have pillow talk. You did 90 seconds of it. It's a nine minute song. You did 90 seconds of it. It's the one that everybody wants to hear and dismissed it with a simple that songs 11 or the real songs 11 minutes like I know the other. I want to hear 11 minutes then Cardi B. I don't even want to talk about Cardi B because something really bad happened at Cardi B. We saw somebody fall out and get escorted out. It was a very traumatic thing. So we left Cardi B early. We eventually came back pretty traumatized. We were really traumatized and we just needed to reset. But once we reset and everybody's heard about the Cardi B nonsense. So there's no reason to get back into it. But then I went back and saw my first fish show. And so now I can physically now say I've been to see fish and I stayed for I gave it a good 90 minutes. I gave it every shot in the world. 90 minutes. So if you're a fish fan, you tell me how that Sunday show went for you. I'm not going to give you my opinion on it. I want to hear what you have to say. Tell us at the what podcast dot com because I have nothing to say about it. I don't even remember what I did Sunday. I know I didn't go to that. Yeah. So there you go. That was it. And then Monday came around and you know, it's been a very, very slow reentry into society. I came back with the Boniflu. Yeah. Just never come. I was awful. Tuesday, Wednesday. But even at that, I don't quite know how to describe this. When it was good, it was a great festival. I'm looking forward to next year. I'm trying to make mental notes on what to do differently. But it was a it was a different one. It was a different one because there was it was there were so many highs and to me so many places where I was really underwhelmed, underwhelmed in places that I didn't want to be underwhelmed. And I said this in one of the episodes in the episode from camp, I missed on more of my can't misses and I misjudged so many shows that I thought were going to be good. I feel like I wasted a lot of time. I feel like I wasted and went to the wrong shows. And that's when I get really irritated with myself. Agreed. And I don't know how it gets fixed. I mean, you don't. It just you just you pick one and you go with it. And if you don't like it, you go to another one. And you know, my problem was every time that I went to go to another one, that one sort of stunk too. And eventually just wore me down. I just started going to camp and that's fine. It's totally OK. We had lots of laughs. You know, I hate that I miss Mac DeMarco. I hate that I miss John Prine, but I can't I can't be too upset. You can't do it. No, you can't beat yourself up. Do it every year. Well, good year. Good season. Yeah, we don't want to talk about next year. We should mention the mailbox. The voices you guys heard at the opening of the show. The there were we had a mailbox at Camp Nut Butter this year and it got a lot of laughs, which we hope we got stickers. We got candy. We got two cigarettes, jewelry. And I had put a tape recorder in it. Yeah, number one, it didn't get stolen. Good. And we actually had two people leave voice messages. So that was kind of fun. Let's finish season two with the other voice message that we got from Camp Nut Butter's mailbox. All right. We'll talk to you soon, I guess, when we figure out what else to talk about. All right. Yeah. All right. See you. I live in Colorado, but like, I don't know. I don't know. We're live. What? Wow. Oh, damn. Oh, America. That's unfair. I was not ready for this. Cardi B was the best thing that ever happened. Is it recording? It is. No, it's definitely not recording. It's recording. I'm sorry. I meant it definitely is. Did I say not? Well, have a good day. Have a good day. Good night. Or a good year, I guess. Good year. Good life. Happy room. Happy room. Pick up your garbage. Till next time. Recycle. Recycle. Clean vibes will find you. And post. Post. Yeah. Comfort. Okay. All right. Goodbye. Hey, hey, hey, hey. How y'all feeling? Journey through the stories that define the artist playing by the rules. Who are they? What are they? What will you see? The what? Which bands? This year? That Matter? With Brad Steiner and Barry Quir.