This week on The What Podcast, Barry talks with Larkin Poe and their (hopeful) return to Bonnaroo this year. Is Septemberoo still likely to happen? What shows are we binge watching while staying at home? We also talk with our friend and What Podcast Patron David from Ohio.
Topic: Larkin Poe
Hey, hey, hey, hey. How y'all feeling? Journey through the stories that define the artists playing Bonnaroo. Who are they? What are they? What will you see? The What? Which bands? This year, That Matter with Brad Steiner and Barry Courter. The What Podcast, a podcast for Bonnaroovians by Bonnaroovians. Welcome inside of our homes, buses and basements. Barry Courter, Lord Taco, Brad Steiner. Alongside today, Bonnaroovian David is going to join us from Patreon and Larkin Poe. Barry Courter. Larkin Poe, yeah, reached out to them and should stress this was way well before the whole COVID-19 virus pandemic. So we don't talk about that. Larkin Poe, kind of Rebecca and Megan from down Calhoun, Georgia, just 45 minutes from Chattanooga or so. We talked a little bit about this is their second visit to Bonnaroo. They actually started. It would have been. Yeah, we'll see if they can make it next year. I'm not giving up yet, but Larkin Poe, they started as the Lovell Sisters as a trio. They're one of those groups that I've been able to follow since, you know, the inception and talk to. So they were nice enough to reach out. It's another one of these interviews that we did, that I did without you, Brad, and you know, like you did Ed O'Brien last week. So we're adapting. We're figuring it out. So do you like Larkin Poe and follow them because you just find them to be very attractive? They are attractive. They're also really good. They were in last year and a rock and roll band. They can play. Okay. All right. Yeah, I like them quite a bit. They've got a new song, Keep Diggin', just came out this week. So yeah. All right. We'll check that out here soon and then we'll talk to David from Patreon. But first, let's get into. Do you want to do some Patreon names? Is that what you were going to say? That's not what I was going to say, but you know what? I'm here for you, buddy. All right. Mike Tyson Group, Aaron Carlson, Bill, David Grimes, who we're going to talk to on the show. Frank Swanson, Liesl Condor, Bill Hanley, Timothy Proctor, and Chloe Hannon are in the Mike Tyson Group. So I guess this was it this week or last week that we started to, I guess it was this week that they want to reopen the economy, reopen the world in some parts of the country, the world being very, you know, generic. But you've got a governor in Georgia who doesn't know that COVID-19 is contagious. You have a governor in Tennessee who thinks that everybody's going to rush to bars and restaurants because Lord knows, you know what I want right now is to eat at Chili's. Bowling alleys. You know, I mean, there've been some funny jokes and online memes, but you know, the one that resonates is doing this is like having a peeing and a non-peeing section in a swimming pool. You know, it makes as much sense. So yeah, we'll see. And you might, I know you think that I'm being, you know, I don't know, a little bit too harsh, but it's not happening. And I don't mean to rain on people's parade and be negative here, but we need to start wrapping our heads around that this is not happening. Voodoo Fest is end of October in New Orleans, and New Orleans does not shy away from parties. Let me be totally frank with you. The people here treated this thing as if it was a hurricane and they were not going to react to it. It was a landfall and at any moment it could swing and miss, but it made landfall and then it shut everything down for a while. If New Orleans is not going to throw a party at the end of October, I don't see anybody else in the country throwing a party anytime in the fall. And it sucks and it blows and it hurts, but you know, there's just nothing about it that makes sense. I can't figure out a justification to put, you know, 50,000 people at risk. I just can't figure it out. I can't figure out the justification and what the argument would be. Yeah. And again, I keep thinking about it. It's like which event should it be? I mean, everybody wants to open, right? So which one is it coming from? And I think as we get closer to reality, the people that are making the decisions are having that same question, you know, should it be us? Let's wait and see what somebody else does. So, no, I agree with you. I don't think it's happening either. I think we're looking at it in a different way. I think it's going to be a lot of fun. It's going to be a lot of fun. And I think it's going to be a lot of fun. But I think that's a good thing. I think we're going to be looking at it in a different way. I don't think it's happening either. I think we're looking at it next year. And then it's even going to be, you know, what's it going to look like? You know, I don't think we, a lot of people are just going to rush back into 2019 level of crowds. I just, I mean, some of the stories I've done, the restaurants, the health department, they're talking about restaurants maintaining the six-foot thing and the social distancing long after this happens. No more, you know, 12 tops, people sitting elbow to elbow with each other. And that's just from their point of view, from like your point, you know, do you want to go to a bar that has that many people sitting next to you? Yeah, there's a lot getting ready to happen that hasn't happened yet. Yeah. And if you listen to this podcast, I'm betting your answer is going to be, of course, I don't care, but think about it the day that think about it a Friday, Saturday at around four o'clock when it's really, really hot in Manchester. And you are somewhat in the midst of a show on the witch and somebody sweaty bumps into you or wants to crowd surf. You really want to touch a sweaty stranger? You know, as much as, or when you're saying that, and I don't mean to be disgusting, but I mean, one of the things we'd like is that three o'clock in the morning shower when there's nobody else in there. I'm not sure I want to go into any of those showers this year. Even if I'm by myself in there, I'm not sure that's going to be a good idea. Yeah, that's a great point. I mean, it's just, I don't know if we necessarily think about it all that much, because it's just like a unicorn in our brain. It's Bonnaroo. It's life. It's experience. It's like, let's just go do something. But then when we're actually doing it, we're like, hey, I don't know. Like for instance, every say, you talk about how you leave the house once a week to do insert thing here. Well, I leave once a week to go to a local brewery, urban south. I pick up beer for the week, and then I pick up 10 pounds of crawfish at a place that has a crawfish boil. And I bring it back and it's my Saturday tradition. I sit on the back porch and I eat crawfish and I drink beer. Just yesterday, when I did this week, for the first time, I really felt like when he handed me the bag, it was the first time I was like, I'm touching the bag that you're touching. Yeah. That's a bag. Nobody else is around me. You think that you want to be slinging spicy pies or empanadas around? I leave the house here and go for a walk once a day and people are also up there walking or jogging and they go on the complete other side of the street. We're theoretically healthy people. Yeah, and think about it this way. Now you don't even want to be next to two people on a street. I can't imagine. Okay, so then if things start to normalize or get a little better and the trend starts to go in the right direction come August or September, and then what happens if out of nowhere pops up 350 cases come the first of October or the end of September, then panic, total panic. Let's say you have a festival that you are putting on at the end of September or the middle of September and then something crazy happens. You feel like you're out in front of it in July and August and then all of a sudden September hits and then there's like 200, 300 cases pop up in September. You don't think that you have just invested how many millions of dollars and you're now looking at a week from now, two weeks from now, it could be from 300 to a thousand and then you are screwed. Yeah. I mean it's just too dicey. It's just too dicey. Yeah, it's just too dicey. Yeah, and all the you know the 2018 flu, the second wave was way worse than the first one, so it concerns me that we're doing this reopening this week. I just it makes no sense. Yeah, especially when you have states that are just now getting to the beginning of their peak. Right. Like I understand like Louisiana is not even close to hitting that two-week threshold of cases going down, so they're not even close to being opening up something, but what happens if you know by the way your pool analogy is totally perfect. You know the borders, it turns out, are open and people can drive and continue their life and move about you know the pool as much as they want to. You may not think they're peeing on you, but they are. The water is getting warmer. And it's like you said the people bringing it back. It's not, it doesn't have to be a sinister thing. It could be a family member who wants to go see their parents out of state, you know. That's exactly how, that's exactly how the numbers shot up like crazy in New Orleans. Exactly. Mardi Gras, you didn't know you were sick. Your immune system is compromised because of the debauchery of the weekend and then you then you went and visited grandma and the one visit to grandma infected the entire old folks home. Yeah, Grace, my daughter Grace, one of her co-workers at a Bonnaroo that they both worked has tested four times positive showing no signs, but every time she keeps getting tested, she's got it. But she, you know, so how many other people are out there? Did I say this on the podcast last week or the week before? So sitting in this chair doing the show, somehow I threw my back out and my back hurt so damn bad for four days. Literally, as soon as I got up doing the show, I was out, out. And it was a back pain that I've never felt before and it was at the base of my spine and I didn't think anything about it. I was like, this just sucks. I'm going to lay down for a couple of days and be fine. So then Wednesday hits and George Stepanopoulos tested positive for coronavirus and he showed no symptoms. He showed nothing wrong, but he wanted to go back to work. So before they let him back in the studio, they wanted to test him. Well, he tested positive. He had no symptoms and nothing was wrong. The only thing that had come up in the last week, back pain. He threw his back out and his back hurt. So imagine my panic after hurting my back doing a podcast about Bonnaroo, seeing George Stepanopoulos basically test positive for coronavirus because his back hurt. You're going to think I'm making this up, but I had the same issue last weekend, but I know I did it because we spent all day cleaning and moving boxes and everything. But I'm glad I didn't hear that report because I want to be like you. No kidding. You freaked me out. And so to your point, if you don't know that you have, I mean, hell, the wife all week has had a knee problem. This woman is the most in shape person you've ever met in your life. And her knee hurts into the bone coronavirus. I mean, like, that's what we're all going to do. I know. And the point, the point is, is okay, how now put that now multiply that by, oh, I don't know, 30,000. Well, but I mean, that's, that's looking at it from a point of view of somebody who's thinking they have it. It's those people that think they're Superman and that this is a hoax that want to go out there and are, and are spreading it around. They're the one, both are worrisome. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Okay. So, so take the political part of it out. All right. So take the lady who I saw in Fox the other day, who was screaming about reopening the economy out of her, out of her SUV window. And the Fox news guy asked her, so what exactly are you wanting to do? She goes, I know what exactly are you wanting to do? She goes, I need my roots dad, you know, and like they're, they're literally just worried about their haircut. So this person who, who may not be all there or thinks it's a government conspiracy or this, that, or the other decides to, you know, go to the event that you decide to go to. Yeah. You know what they're calling those lucky me. Hey, yeah. That's that branch. Okay. Yeah. It's pretty good. No, you're exactly right. Yeah. Somebody with that agenda who wants to decide for you, right. Right. That they're going out. That's exactly right. And I want to love all these Bonnaroo people. I want to love everybody that's there because we are all sharing a communal experience and, and, and hopefully values that we all appreciate, but not everybody thinks like me, not everybody, not everybody thinks like taco, not everybody thinks like you. Right. It's, it's just too much to, is too, too dicey and too scale. Like, so when Brian tells me that he's not going to be affected, he's going to go, don't know if I would, I just, I haven't, I don't know. Yeah. I hadn't even thought, started thinking. Let me read some more, uh, Patriot. Yeah. And then we'll get into Larkin Poe. Yep. Dan Sweeney, Dustin Garig, Haley, Mary T, Melanie and Jesse Feldman, who we talked to last week, Mitchell Stafford, musical antlers, Parker Reads and Tori. All right. Let's talk to Larkin Poe on the What Podcast, a podcast for Bonnaroovians by Bonnaroovians with Barry Cordo. Let's go. But I spoke to you guys probably back in 09 when you were, uh, Oh really? Oh my gosh. Yeah. So I remember, you know, the Lovell sisters, I know you used to come to Chattanooga and 09 you did Bonnaroo, right? Yeah. Yeah. As the Lovell sisters. Let's do this. If you don't mind, if you tell me which one of you is which so that listeners, myself included, can sort of get a read on who's talking when we can figure out voices. Sure. Which one? This is Rebecca. Our voices are very similar, obviously, between my sisters. Um, but I'm the younger one. I play guitar and the lead singer and the main songwriter for the band. I'm Rebecca. And I am Megan. I play lap steel and I'm the older sister. Nice. Thank you for doing that. I have so much I want to get to. Yeah. One of the things that I especially, uh, and I know Brad does too, that we love about doing this podcast and Bonnaroov especially is sort of following bands, you know, I mean, that's one of the things I think that festival does really well is bring people back as they develop and get bigger. Um, and we've talked with other bands about what a thrill that is, you know, to play a teeny tiny stage in front of a couple hundred people and then years later play to many, many, many people. So let's start there. What's it mean for you guys to be heading back to Bonnaroo? I love this question because I do think that's a really insightful look at, you know, the way that Bonnaroo helped to follow artists as they grow and change because, you know, who we were as the Lovell sisters, whenever we first started as, you know, middling teenagers compared to who we are now as Larkin Poe and we're in our late twenties, we're very different artists, very different people. Yeah. The essence is the same, but the clothing and the outfitting and the experience has completely shifted and it feels really nostalgic to get back to Bonnaroo. Um, with all the memories and cats from, from then to here, I mean, we've gotten to do some unbelievable touring since that first time performing at Bonnaroo 109. We've, you know, been on the tour with Keith Urban, been on the road with Bob Seeger, we've opened up for, you know, ZZ Talk and just done a bunch of wild and crazy stuff that I think our, you know, 17 year old selves could never have imagined. So getting to bring all that experience with us as we come back to the Bonnaroo stage, I think it's going to be an absolute blast this year. And you were here, you were there rather in, in 18 and I was just looking back through some of our notes and we do, Brad and I do a thing called Bonnaroo Let where we spin a wheel and land on a, an act and then theoretically a lot of times it's bands we maybe don't know much about, but sometimes it's bands that we just want to talk about. And that's what we did in 18. I think you were the third, you were our third Bonnaroo Let spin. That should, that should mean a whole lot. I know we can chat about. I know it was terrific. No, it means plenty. I mean, to be able to be in people's, you know, minds and hearts, that, that's what makes the whole thing tick. It is a bit surreal. We've done so much touring internationally and to have friends around the world and, you know, this past winter played China and Tokyo for the first time and getting to, to go to Australia again this year. Like you realize that the connections that bind people, they truly are global. And just to be remembered feels really nice. Let me go back. Cause like I said, we're, I want to jump all over the place. Cause you guys have done so much and it's such an important story. But first of all, let people know you guys are from Calhoun, Georgia, which is about 40 minutes from Chattanooga. As I always say at the paper, when people do well, we claim you. So we claim you as Chattanoogans. We'll take it. We'll take it. Yeah. Calhoun is, you know, 40 minutes south, right off 75. So we all the time as, you know, Megan, what would you call it? Like 15, 16 coming up to the signal mountain operate. We were coming through Chattanooga all of the time. We did a lot of our, yeah, a lot of our like first musical experiences were actually in Chattanooga. So we claim it as well. Nice. But Nashville is home now, right? Yeah. So I wanted to ask, maybe four and a half years ago, I wanted to ask, cause we're recording this on the Friday, the week of the tornado. So I just wanted to check you guys, obviously, did you survive everything? I mean, were there any damage that you personally had to deal with? Not personal damages. Yeah. Yeah. We have been crazy looking at all of the damage that has been done. And we went yesterday and actually tried to do some help help clean up. And it was, the damage was just extraordinary. And the homes that had been lost and the businesses that have been lost is really heartbreaking to see. But it is also heartwarming to see all the people that have showed up and, you know, people were out in the thousands helping out their neighbors. So it's really heartwarming to see people come together. You do get both sides of that. My in-laws house was destroyed in 97 when the tornado hit the day before Easter. So I'm having all these memories of the helicopters flying over and the church groups just walking up and down the street, helping people carry brush and limbs and anything, carrying water. Yeah. So you really see, you see both sides, but I also know it's a long haul. I mean, it's not over in a week, you know, there's a lot to clean up. It's certainly not. It is certainly not. And it has been really, like you said, Negan, shocking to see how neighborhoods are completely reshaped. And it'll be equally interesting and I think empowering to see how humans are capable of rising above and rebuilding and making something, you know, more beautiful than there was before. I believe that that's going to happen. Yeah. Was it 364 houses and a hundred and something buildings were either destroyed or damaged? So, but, you know, not to make light of it, but if anything, if Nashville knows anything these days, it's how to build. This is true. She is booming right now. It's unbelievable. And for people who don't know, don't know their geography, Nashville is about just a little bit farther away from Manchester and Bonnaroo than Chattanooga is. So it's obviously on all of our minds, which is why I wanted to ask that and the fact that you guys live there, but talk about, and you have, because one of the things that I wanted to talk about, you were at Riverbend, which is our big city festival last year. And I was there and it was a terrific show. This Bonnaroo lineup is stacked as we've talked about many, many times. And I hope I haven't, we haven't seen the schedule yet, but I'm hoping people will have a chance to, to see you guys. Have you looked at the schedule yourselves? I have, and you're talking about this most recent year where it's blackberry smoke and made this and all like real people that I revere. I think that Riverbend has done an incredible job of pulling together this star set of the lineup that if people aren't familiar with some of the bands go out and see them anyway, because Riverbend has picked like some gems for people. I mean, blackberry smoke, Charlie star, the front man for blackberry smoke is like my all time hero. He's, he was such a bad ass. And if you are not familiar with blackberry smoke, you must be. So go, go to Riverbend this year and see them perform. And that's part of why I brought, I wanted to bring that up. The festivals, big and small are important to not just the acts, but fans, right? I mean, there's such an opportunity to see, uh, and several acts at once, number one, but also maybe acts that you don't, you're not familiar with. That's, that's a big part of the reason for going, right? Oh, absolutely. I think that's the biggest reason for going. And a lot of our formative experiences with music were absolutely at festivals where, you know, you're able to walk around and just take a sampling of music that you didn't even know you would like. I think it's especially important for children to be taken to festivals because our parents took us, you know, to Riverbend many times and all the way up into North Carolina, through North Carolina, there's Burlfest, which is an incredible Americana American music festival that we were taken to and got bit by the bluegrass bug, you know, in our early years, and we would never have known that that would have even been something that would remotely connect with us, but just being given the opportunity to experience music in that very live and organic way. It's so, it's so special festivals. I, I adore festival music. I'm so glad it's almost upon us this year. Yeah. I want to come back to your parents in a minute, but, uh, so to just to compare Riverbend is a city festival, probably last year, that was a big one. Uh, Bonnaroo's already sold out, going to be 80,000 people there when you play. And you've done Glastonbury, which has come up on this podcast several times as sort of the model that, uh, Ashley Capps had in mind, uh, for Bonnaroo. Talk a little bit about the differences, uh, in playing those and Murlfest. Um, are there differences? Are there differences? Are there big differences for you guys as a performer? Oh, certainly. I mean, I think geographically, it makes a big difference if you're in Europe or the UK, as opposed to playing the festival in, you know, Oregon state or, you know, or Tennessee, like you're, you're definitely bumping into different people with different cultural importances. And, you know, even just, you know, the setting of a festival we played, Megan, we played a lot of festivals in Colorado, this year, though. What was the one in the Cascades that we played? It was a really awesome blues festival right in the middle of the Cascade Mountain. Like, just really intriguing differences. Um, but specifically, I think between the US and European festivals, um, there's less differences than you would think, you know, music lovers or music lovers around the world. And you may not be speaking the same language when you're, you know, playing it. Um, but, you know, um, you know, one of the big rock festivals in Germany, but, uh, but the feeling is the same, that everyone is there to achieve the same purpose, which is to connect and to celebrate music as an art form. And that's really special. But I mean, of course, Glastonbury is one of the tops. It's, it's such a massive, it's a festival of effort proportions. Like when you, when you drive in, you just can't even fathom how huge the site is and also how, I mean, the lengths that people are willing to go to, to endure the festival itself. I mean, I think the people who have attended, you know, even a Riverbend or a Bonnaroo, it's like you go and incredibly hot during the day. And by the end of the day, you're tired. And there, and then you go to Bonnaroo and there's people who are really enjoying the heat for a three day weekend. But then you go to Glastonbury and there are people that are there enduring not only heat during the day, but a three day weekend of about 18 bajillion mud puddles that you could potentially fall into and go down. You may never find you again once you fall into some of these mud puddles. So it's like, you know, you got, it's the spice of life. You gotta go out and experience things. And I think we need the festival to do that. You mentioned your dad and your mom, David and Trisha. David, and I remember speaking to you, whatever, 12, 11, 12 years ago, a big influence on you guys musically, right? And I think that's, I was thinking about it before I called that it's my personal opinion that it's every parent's responsibility to teach music and music history to their children. Like, like my kids do very well at trivia night. You guys had similar upbringings, right? Our parents are big music lovers. So we do feel lucky to have grown up into a household where a wide variety of music was being played. And our mom was really wanted us to be involved in classical music. And so she was, you know, playing, playing for us like baby Bach tapes. We listened to everything from like classical to she was also she loved folk music, Alison Krauss, Union Station, and, you know, the Carpenders. And then on the other side, our dad was playing us all like the classic rock records, everything from Ozzy to the Allman Brothers. So we do feel feel very lucky that that they are huge lovers of all different kinds of genres. So we've really grown up loving a lot of different music. So I think our influence are definitely fairly wide. I think that shows right. I mean, that level the level sisters when you were a trio with your sister, Rebecca, I mean, excuse me, with Jessica, right? Yeah, was a string, basically trio, right? And the show that I saw last year with some amazing guitar and rhythm, not necessarily that same band, right? Talk about how that influence and coming up with that sort of a household has helped you guys develop over the years. Yeah, I absolutely think you can hear you can hear you know, they what is the saying, you can see the shadow that is passed by a tree show, the shadow passed by the tree shows you what a tree is going to grow or something like there's something like there's something like each saying about, you know, following in your in your parents footsteps, essentially, which I think is really powerful. And I think it absolutely played huge with our with our development as artists from initially being so involved in classical music, which really gave us a great basis and understanding music and having a work ethic about music and having your training and then falling in love with bluegrass music, which I think kind of took took place all of us together as a family. Our parents are definitely aware of Alison Krauss and Jerry Douglas and, you know, folk music as a general rule. But whenever we got involved in bluegrass as 13, 14 year olds, our folks were definitely going out and having a lot of fresh experiences with us when we were all kind of becoming inundated and bitten by the bluegrass bug at the same time. But then like Megan said, simultaneously, you know, there was so much classic rock being played in the house when we were young. You know, dad loved Queen Records, dad loved, you know, the Stones and Led Zeppelin and, you know, Leonard Skinner and all across the board, just constantly having music playing. So as Megan and I continue to develop as songwriters, you know, once we had had the experiences as the Lovell sisters with our big sister, we knew that we loved making music. There was a lot of foundational, you know, experiences that took place with, I think, our commitment to making music. We did start to toy with the genres that we were moving in for Larkin Poe by introducing more electrified instruments in order to achieve the sounds that we had heard growing up with all those classic rock records. Because when you're playing in a bluegrass string band, you do not have a drummer, you do not have amplifiers, you do not have effects pedals, you just don't have a bright instrument on stage. So that was a big leap of change for us whenever Megan picked up the lap steel, which is essentially the electrified version of the Dobro and I transitioned from mandolin and violin over to predominantly electric guitar. So just the sonic shift was huge. And I think it opened up a lot of doors for us creatively that we never would have even considered, you know, walking through until you're suddenly doing it and you realize all at once, oh my gosh, we're a little rock band now. How did this happen? It feels great. Was it that kind of a transition? It was just a normal? I know when, you know, Jessica left, she's older and left and decided to go a different route. Was it that sort of moment where you said, well, we've got to decide to go forward? And how should we go forward? Or did it just sort of naturally occur or how did it happen? That's so funny to me because I feel all of us feel, you know, that we are the masters of our future and that, you know, by the strength of our will and by the habits that we do or don't break, you know, that we can change the outcome of things. But I think as time goes by and more for a believer in the organic nature of the way that things unfold. So there was, I mean, elements of intentionality that Megan and I had, I think, when approaching the genre shift over the course of, you know, maybe the first three or four years of L'Arc & Peau. But by the same token, you know, we were 18, 19 at the time. And so while you may think that you're being intentional, there's also a lot of, you know, dilly dallying and being 17, 18 years old that takes place. So I do think that luck and just kind of, I don't even know what you want to call it if you want to call it, you know, destiny or I'm not sure what forces are at play, but it definitely happened organically for us. And it's just become more and more clear that this is the road that we want to be on. Therefore, we travel further down the road of roots rock and really celebrating roots American music, but in a little, you know, badass rock outfit and and trying to be as true to the sounds that we hear in our head as we can be. And it is a badass rock outfit. I mean, I really do hope people get to see it because it blew my hair back last year that that set. So it was terrific. Would you could we like to hear it? That's why I wanted to talk to you. I mean, I'm serious. It was great. And I think you guys opened for the Warren Treaty, right? Am I getting my days or that? No, that was Taz. You were the night before, I think. But yeah, we were the night before. Right. Are you guys, would you consider yourselves after what we just talked about sort of historians? And I'm asking because going to a Glastonbury or a Murlfest or a Bonnaroo, do they hold any special meeting meanings to you guys from a sort of a history place where you think about all the people, the bands that you've loved that have played there before? Dan, I've never I've never thought about that. Megan, what would your what do you feel that does that ever cross your mind? I think that we think back to like the people that we listen to specifically lately, like we're we've been becoming so involved in blues music and kind of carrying those traditions forward that we definitely think about ourselves. I think it's like ambassadors, like bringing trying to bring those names to the forefront again, like like we're on stage, we're definitely like telling people like who the song was inspired by. And I think that we do think about ourselves as like maybe not historians in that way, but definitely like like bringing it into our our generation. And I think applying that same kind of thought to the different festivals that we have played, there is a certain amount of gravitas that I think some of these festivals certainly can you know wield. They have this kind of otherworldly atmosphere when you enter the hallowed ground, you know of Glastonbury. I think actually though the biggest kind of aha moment that we've had in recent history in terms of time and place was getting to play out at the I guess it's the Monterey County Fairgrounds where one could place in a festival at Monterey, California, but it was the original location of the Monterey Pop Festival. So we got to play on the stage where Jimmy Burns hears the guitar in that epic you know footage, hair raising, but then by the same token you're so distracted by your own performance, you know you're focusing on in my case not forgetting the lyrics or not tripping over all the cables on the stage, but there's only so much like absorbing of the space that you can really really do while you're performing. But even so that was an especially cool one to get to play on that stage out in Monterey, that was special. Yeah I'm glad you I can imagine yeah I mean that's probably everybody of any age has that CD or album in their collection, that Pops Festival was amazing. And you mentioned Mavis she's coming back to our Riverbend, I mean that's like watching history personified to me, it's incredible. Absolutely. She was at what Bonnaroo two years ago, same I guess the same year you guys were and to see her you know talking about being there when the civil rights marches and all you it kind of kind of blows your mind when you think about it and yeah it's important to remember that. Well we had the great pleasure of getting to meet Mavis at an event that we did late last year and I think for Megan and myself as you know late 20-something musicians having had a lot of experiences under our belt and really cherishing music and the experience and the human connection that music can bring and getting to sit down and speak with someone who is as sharp and open and vulnerable and beautiful as Mavis is, that really brings it full circle and it puts everything into into context of what purpose music serves in our lives as humans and it is kind of this greater than greater than the sum of parts type moment for the human spirits when you do align and connect for music and I think that that is the overriding takeaway message for festivals is you got to you got to go out, you got to experience it, you got to open yourself up and share something with your fellow man because it's a special way to do it. It's one of the things that makes us most human so it should be cherished. Well said. I want to ask because we ask everybody on here have you looked at this year's Bonnaroo lineup and who are you excited to see and are you going to have time to hang out? Oh you know we're playing on Thursday. Isn't that right Megan we're playing on Thursday? I believe that yeah that's right. That's right yeah so I think that we're going to try to get out there and see some folks. I would love to see Mavis Iris I think that she's doing really incredible incredible things for music heritage in a way when you when you kind of dig deeper into her her stage performances. She leaps in a lot of classic rock tunes and gives shout outs to artists that I think generation a lot of younger people may not be familiar with so I would love to go and see Mavis Iris show for sure. I think she's making cool waves for music but no she's definitely on the list. To us Thursday has become one of our favorite nights because it's discovery night you know it's usually filled with a lot of acts that a lot of people have not heard and the energy is up everyone is so excited to be there it's just it's a lot of fun. It'll be great thank you so much for having us on the show. Thank you very much yourselves both of you and I look forward to seeing you Thursday at Bonnaroo. Excellent all right we'll look forward to you there. Thanks guys. Larkin Poe on the What Podcast. Barry Courter nice job nice job there buddy. Thank you. It's like you've been doing this for a little while. I've been around a bit it was fun talking to them. Like fun catching up like I said. Before we jump in with uh with David I had to have a like a random question for both of you. You got a show that you're watching? You got a something that you are getting into before you like uh you're obsessed with? You're streaming? Go ahead. Taco I'll tell you mine because I'm looking for new ones. Really? Uh well before Taco you get tacos. Mine's Schitt's Creek. I cannot believe how much I missed this show um when it I guess it was just finished right so but it's been on for so long and I had no idea. This is the funniest damn show. It took like four episodes for me to get into it but my god once I'm into it I literally just walk around the house going David David all day. I can't stop talking like her. It is so much fun. Yeah how about you Taco? We like we must have lost it. Taco's giving us that buffering stare. We all very clear with the buffering stare now. Uh I think it turned into Kelsey for a second. But what's the uh show that you're uh you're obsessed with right now? Uh what was the question? The show that you're obsessed with right now? Dark absolutely. Watch Dark. Um it is The Outsider. It is Stranger Things. It is uh Donnie Darko. It's Back to the Future. Uh it it it's a German show. Uh I there's a lot of Volkswagens in it. That's yellow. He saw it on a Volkswagen message board and so now he's watching it on TV. All right on my list of TV requirements that would have never come out. I will say the the one person I'm terrible at it. Will you give me a recommendation? Oh my god that sounds great. I'll get into it. I know I'll never watch it. Um Barry Courter is very good about it. If I've ever suggested he always watches it would have uh you know what have you been doing? Yeah you and I talked about Ozark. I thought season three of Ozark was terrific. Uh I like that title. I went in fact I went back and started watching Justified again. I missed that with Timothy O'Loughan and uh a buddy of mine recommended Ten Star and I've watched both seasons in the last three days. Tim Roth is in it. He's a connect or ends up being a police chief and it's like Ozark which I know you're familiar with. Yeah. You can't imagine the things that happen. Look I I don't like Ozark I don't like those specific reasons mainly because it's a Showtime show and Showtime shows have a problem. There's no Volkswagen's I'm out. There's no Volkswagen's I'm out. Um Showtime shows have a problem because Showtime has no hits so they make the like they milk as much as they can out of them and they force the show to never have an ending uh keep things going that are nonsensical just so they can get more season and more seasons and more seasons out of them. It's the reason why Shameless is so unwatchable. Um you know there's a bunch there's a bunch that are so formulaic that you know a 20 minute scene could could have minutes um and then like HBO you know there's going to be nudity what every four and a half minutes and there's going to be all kinds of man just like this podcast. Yeah exactly. By the way if you're not watching via YouTube you can always watch our thing now with moving pictures on our YouTube channel uh the What Podcast on YouTube but uh if you are watching on YouTube or the live stream right over Barry's right shoulder is a Bonnaroo poster and stop staring at it because it swear to God it looks to me like it says Butteroo. Can't can't Butteroo. I mean it just from this distance Butteroo. You know I'm glad you mentioned that YouTube because I want to do uh I thought about this we can't play near the music that we do and on the just the audio version of the podcast a lot of the breaks and stuff that you put in that on YouTube so for anybody who you know wonders there are they are different. Well before we get into our chat with David let's read some more uh patreons and uh then talk to a Patreon. All right that last group was in the Bring Back the Arch group by the way this one's the Glazed group with uh Chelsea Davis, Evan Brown, Gordon Silver, Jason Hazelbaker, Richard and Clay Wilhoit. All right uh another Patreon chat David from Ohio thanks for uh thanks for showing up where you're in Ohio as if I can tell by your shirt. Yeah, yeah I'm up in northeast Ohio live in a town called North Georgetown and if you uh Google map that you'll see a lot of farm and green but it's if you draw a line between um Cleveland and Pittsburgh somewhere right in the middle there so okay got yours got your yin-ling. Here's the thing I um I've learned about Ohio people uh they love Ohio. I mean they love Ohio they wear it they hang it on their walls it is just all about Ohio I don't know what in the world they love so much about Ohio damn you guys you're all in. Yeah I have a question first before we go too much further anyone else seeing the big what logo on front of David's forehead or is that just on my screen taco? Uh that's probably just on your screen. Okay I just want to make sure because it's like right all right yeah something we can fix now let's fix it now so cool uh all right well everything's set up so everybody looks good and everybody's in the right spot so we're ready. Yeah sure man we're already going. You already saying David? Yeah sorry. No I'm just saying that no I'm saying you're that's true if you went down and I gave an OH to somebody someone somewhere far away. The IO yeah automatic you just do it. That's a weird thing and uh how many Bonnaroo's deep are you? Oh one now I was hoping to go for one more but yeah that's my first one we it's been it's been years in the making we've uh my wife and I we met at Ohio State University and uh we decided you know what we should we should go to Bonnaroo and of course that's when we're poor college students so we're scraping by and then you know one thing leads to another one leads to another one leads to time and you know one thing leads to another life life gets ahold of you and pretty soon I'm getting old um older than you um not maybe not quite as Barry but uh no you're never gonna get that number. Take the easy shot. Yeah but then it gets a little bit tougher going out saying I want to camp out outside and underneath that that Tennessee sun so we say we scraped up a little bit and finally made it out there had had uh had a five-year-old she got to go hang out with grandma and grandpa and we finally made it out there you know 10 years in the making so but it was totally worth it. It was awesome. Her weekend sounded a lot like mine hanging out with grandpa Barry. Was it everything you hoped? Oh yeah you know when you know I was thinking about it uh you go and almost every year for me it starts like in November you get you know you get the pre-sale going and then you get the lineup drop and hanging out with you guys going all the different episodes and going on Reddit and in through you build this like excitement and you're thinking man I hope it's gonna be everything I thought it'd be and for me it was all those years and watching it online when they when they used to uh stream it online and stuff and it was it was the best it was the best time and everything that we can you know thought it would be it was even more and I you know Barry I think before you said you know you go and you smile ear to ear and that's how it was you know. So last year was your first year? Yeah yeah and so yeah and how many years did you sit around and just watch the conversation happen before you decided to pull the trigger and go? I'd be if it was in college I'd be early 2000s. Really? Yeah. So what was the piece of advice do you think that you got that helped you the most when you actually got there that you actually put into effect and you came after after originally man I'm so glad we did Blank. Yeah they were right. Yeah yeah there's just so many good good pieces of advice that you scrape through with just being a lurker on on you know Reddit and in-fru especially but I think just doing it the way you want to do it I you know I'm more towards Barry where I do walk-bys and you know we had you know we go we have their plan and what we wanted to do and these must not you know we couldn't miss these people we did that which was terrific but really it was just like we ended up places where we didn't intend to you know end up and it was it was great you know it was all this planning which was great. What was a walk-by that you found yourself that you loved? Well we started off I think it was this is this is going to be a while I think the Thursday I think we went to we wanted to see Jay Bird and Jay Bird was awesome and that was just listening to the the the playlists and recommendations and stuff and she was terrific and it was you know not not a top level artist but it was you know more intimate setting and she came out and hung out with us after after the set and you know it was really cool and then just going to I don't know there's just so many I think I'm I'm trying to think like Warren Treatee was awesome I know you guys mentioned that a lot we were sitting out in the VIP tent next to the this tent and we were just sitting outside I think it was on lunch time I was grabbing a lunch or something having a beer like what is that sound coming across the field you know and then it was just it blew blew me away blew my wife away and just stuff like that which they weren't really on my like to-do list but it was great you know. Yeah Brad I stumbled across playing music this morning I think it was I had we never talked about that Haim show you know of all the did you go to that one? I don't think so no. You know it's a tad cloudy I uh cannot cannot necessarily remember if I went to the Haim show. Well I mean it was just so great and then I found the music this morning and it reminded me and I don't think we've ever even talked about that one but it was a terrific show and it was a complete walk-by for me because I didn't know them. Sorry I had to fix my set my apologies. That's all right we're kind of casual. So David the fact that last year. I think that she might be baking naked back there I think that we were making breakfast in a see-through last week. Was it last time she's picking up a package with like nothing you know see-through or something? The hell's happening. I'm sorry so when you were talking about that 10 years of build-up reminded me how um how worried I was about the whole camping experience way way back over planned over stressed. Was that you guys or I mean people have done it enough now and there's enough information out there um you know it's maybe not as stressful as it was 15 years ago for me anyway but uh what was that like that whole planning did you guys overdo it kind of goes back to Brad's earlier question? Yeah kind of I mean we I'll tell you what I cheated because we went VIP and I went I went LeBond so I uh I camped with all that savings that we did but that was the fun of it was just going through and you know for for when we knew we were going to go when we got the pre-sale tickets and that lead up to it the fun part was going on and seeing what people did like don't bring so much food make sure you bring this don't bring this and just seeing all that stuff and then for my wife and I it's like every time we go out shopping and Target would have a sale on camping equipment it was just fun to buy all those things you know and you know by June we had this kind of cool setup and you know we bought lights and decorated our tent and stuff like that it was a lot of fun and we didn't buy a grill or anything else so we got all the recommendations were spot on and I have taken way too much joy in like decorating camp uh you really shouldn't uh I mean it's not really the most important thing but for us it's the most important moment uh rolling out carpet and you know hanging lights really becomes our favorite thing to do on a Wednesday night which you know um maybe we'll just be doing it in the yard this year Barry uh because let's be honest this ain't happening no this ain't happening it's not gonna happen no I disagree with you Brad I think it's important it's I mean it's fun when we're putting it up it's fun to see people's reactions ain't fun when it starts raining it's not it's not fun Monday morning yeah taking it all down but you know that's part of it so I appreciate that advice that we did we did bring carpet yeah uh the carpet was I'm telling you I can't explain to you the the how hard my campmates eyes rolled when I started explaining to the thing that things I started wanting to bring 10 years ago and the one that got everybody was carpet they mocked me and made fun of me and just I mean wrecked me day after day for weeks leading up to it and then the second that carpet gets there everybody's like you know what it's a pretty good idea it was it was the bissel that was over the top I did I did bring it back it wasn't just the carpet it was the bissel yeah I have to maintain a very clean space it was we used it it was great yeah yeah I don't complain we're gonna have to I'm gonna have to put time out real quick if you can hit pause I've got to find a charger I didn't know I'm dying here hang on a second hang on can't pause we're live yeah so work I really don't know if it's worth it or not we're gonna cut this in post but we never do anything in post is that the no yeah yeah we'll fix it in post it'll never get fixed we're not David your wife you got we love asking couples this especially did you guys go to everything together or did you ever split up we went most of it together we did split up there was the time I think we saw I saw Davey by myself because it was like what mid-afternoon when that happened we were there I was like yeah it was hot so she probably you probably did uh you probably were right there with us then you went from Davey right to Warren treaty right yeah yeah yeah yeah have you ever have you ever seen have you ever seen a band smile more than those guys were oh no they were so happy awesome I loved like that and I mentioned like um minor set change them being there and them being there and being you could just they were authentic people loved being there and loved doing what they're doing and that's contagious I think you know and that that was the fun part about it too that was absolutely Brad we were just talking about that Davey said he David and his wife I know your wife didn't go we were with David and uh we were just talking about how asking me if you'd ever seen a band smile more than those guys uh they were happy it seemed like um they they acted like the way we're gonna act post uh quarantine covid uh hugging everybody loving everything uh that's gonna be us here in a couple weeks yeah yeah absolutely they were happy um is that the only one you guys split up what you do just hang out and kind of try to stay in the out of the sun yeah I'll tell you one thing going VIP and getting those other the AC tents that were all spread across center room yeah good move that's gold so yeah so she stayed in there she probably got like a massage and you know drinking drinking inside the AC tent so I told her I want I definitely want to see that one does based off your guys's recommendations I can't miss that one so I went out and saw that one other than that we we saw a lot of it together um we we she has she has pretty good music taste a really good music taste and we like everything on the side so we'll see anything you know we're not we don't have one lane that we stay in so that was the fun part uh when um when you saw the lineup this year it was a no-brainer yeah I mean it was are you gonna go no matter what the lineup was we usually go no matter what we we like the lineup to us is just the the icing on the cake you know we have so much fun just being there doing everything really so and we know we're gonna find great people and we know we're gonna find people that we didn't even know about which I think is half the fun too so yeah tell us it's just the overall experience so here's here's the thing you know you've got um jazz fest was cancelled and uh it was supposed to go on this weekend well a local radio station uh one that I don't work for uh has put on jazz fest in place where basically you they'll play all of the old clips from jazz fest um and they've got markets around town that are you are able because everybody loves the festival food right friends and spicy pie uh the there's markets in town that will deliver you the food that you so badly wanted to buy a jazz fest like the crawfish boudin or the uh or the the crawfish um enchiladas and you know by the way if we could pull this off boundary is not going to happen right but I think that we all would crowd around our our our computer screens and watch a bonnaroo live feed of every artist that we wanted to see uh with maybe you know spicy pie delivered to our house I think we could figure this out couldn't we I think so I think that's really interesting uh our friend um um trevin and um I can't even think of his name now good friend I am killing me uh I'm embarrassed man uh but he when you have a friend like Barry it's almost like you have a friend like Barry David champion I'm sorry David um I'm being distracted because I'm getting texts from work so um David posted a poster of some other festival that's happening similar to what you're talking about and it's a great lineup but I don't it's just not the I don't know that I want to watch music on my computer screen that's not what it's about I can do that anytime you know I haven't been a big fan either it's not I get it I know what they're doing I respect them for doing it but um and maybe June 11th I'll feel differently because we're not in Manchester and I'll you know be looking for something um I don't know it's just weird to me you watch any live streams I do I like it every once in a while I mean I think come June I well I mean what happened to the Bonnaroo live stream before like it was awesome to watch it live and yeah right nothing Barry you know that with the with your I didn't know that I didn't know that I uh I know I really always liked like the reason why I can mark certain shows off of my uh off of my grid is because I I watched the live stream of Coachella and I'll say yeah that didn't work um you know like we we all we all saw like the Lizzo thing coming because her Coachella set was just so you know even with the technical issues we're like man there's something about this stage show um yes the live streams work in some some avenues but yeah you're right they they don't they don't necessarily grab me ever but boy it sure does feel good when they're on and Bonnaroo's happening and you're not there you know it's almost like it's almost like listening to Bonnaroo radio um it's not really well done but thank god it's there and I can it feels like I'm I'm being touched or I'm having a that's what it is we're having a universal experience right we're all actually doing the same thing you know that's why the NFL drafts numbers were through the roof you know very rarely are we having these communal experiences anymore and we finally Tiger King I remember Tiger King doing so well and had 18 billion minutes watched on Netflix is because we're finally always all doing something together yeah it's timing it's a communal thing absolutely um yeah I don't know like I said come June somebody's going to come up with something we'll probably I'll probably watch or at least be part of something yeah and I can understand Barry you not wanting to watch live streams as much as you as maybe someone else because you're watching it on that computer over the right of your shoulder how are you watching any live stream on that 1994 Mac I'll tell you what's embarrassing I counted the other day I think I have 11 such computers in my home I don't know why I just can't get rid of some things I want to put a fishbowl in that one I just hadn't gotten around to it that's that's the answer Brad I haven't gotten around to it ask me anything and that's going to be the answer uh taco you watching any live streams not really we watched one a few weeks ago from a local band that was doing something here in Chattanooga and yeah it's just not the same I mean you're you're sitting on the couch you know it's it's not the same experience you could be watching movies you know it's not a replacement for like actually being there live but what if you're watching it in the bus in the Volkswagen bus wouldn't that be more fun that'd be more fun okay I could I could set up uh like a screen in here uh-huh who doesn't love camping in the garage it is well it depends on if you're with people yeah the poor bus yeah that's true I mean that's part of you know live shows is you you experience it together well if you're sitting at home you know it's you're not interacting with as much you know the pvr is a lot cheaper though I had a feeling yeah David are you guys planning uh to go in September uh when you're thinking about I mean I have I mean we're trying to do it yes it happens I mean I'd love to go I wanted to do the campground but that got sold out I didn't I was trying to get it like I was trying to figure out how to do it and they said the tickets went on sale like January 1st call of jam first or whatever that first Monday was sold out and so I have a I have a room booked at the what is it the holiday inn right right there yeah just to try to do it I visit it every day yeah at certain point at certain points today I visit it for you know just to connect with my people you know yeah that's so nice of you yeah I think so but yeah I don't know I mean we don't I don't actually have tickets at this moment so and I don't know what's going to happen so it's you know if it happens in there I just like anybody else we're trying to shuffle around and see if you can get work off or you know and and seeing if if you feel confident in going in September yeah I don't know what's going to be like in September either you know so I I did that's like going to be the biggest hold back of any of this is is not if insert festival happens it's how comfortable do you feel actually being there you know I had a conversation with one of our campmates yesterday Brian Stone the host of the world's most listened to and downloaded podcasts in the history of podcasts the stone on their podcast and he said I don't care bro doesn't matter to me I'm not gonna live in fear you know one of those kind of arguments but I kept having to remind him like dude it's not about you it's about what you might be you know bringing to the party nobody is I mean you're invited to the party it's all the friends that you bring that are the problem that you know you don't know what you're carrying you don't know what you back home that's right right and and if if New Orleans is any of the best places to go to you know you know if New Orleans is any sort of indication look what giant mass events do and how it can then turn into a a big time problem Mardi Gras was the the source of damn near all of our cases and you know you get done with Mardi Gras you don't know you're that sick and you go visit grandma and you've got an entire old folks home now ill so it's not just you not being scared bro uh but it's like how how much of this do you want to keep poking how often you want to keep poking the bear and in challenging this when all the science says you better not poke the bear so I don't know I don't know what I don't know what it looks like even if it were to happen and you know would it scare me off Barry I don't know I don't I don't I really don't know no it's a legitimate concern I mean I I've pretty much been holed up I go out once a week to you know the store or whatever or run down the street that's it um and I don't I don't know I mean I haven't really put much thought into it like I'm scared I'm just trying to be respectful I guess and I am worried my wife goes to work uh kind of worries me that she comes back home but she's not interacting with a lot of people currently but if they open the restaurants back up and the hotels which they're doing I guess this week here um Monday Monday yeah tomorrow so I mean nobody knows this is my nod of disapproval yeah that's a bad idea nobody knows and I mean the people that are arguing that we got to get back to normalcy and it's hurting businesses and all that is that's not the argument you know I get I get that there's taco okay but here's okay one step further about how how you just don't know by the way uh you ain't going to bible study you're going to basically push your body beyond its abilities of of drinking of no sleep of whatever it is other things that you're putting into your body I mean you you're living on spicy pie I mean you are destroying your immune system for five days four days four days however and then you think that you know you're invincible yeah uh give me a break that's a good point I think I think I've laughed about it it wasn't it was two years ago I got home that Monday morning and don't remember anything until Thursday and it wasn't you know that I was drugged out I was just so tired Barry you are in an advanced stage though uh that I'm old which is something that's anything to your point so I go up there and live unhealthily for five days and then you know god if I catch you know something then yeah it's a bad it's a bad deal and and and as we've said many times the uh Bonnaroo people don't want that either they don't want that on their conscience their insurance people's lawyers certainly don't want that kind of thing so yeah yeah there's a lot hypothetically if it were to happen who were you uh excited to see who is your um your top three my top three I want to see uh I got I'm gonna go home or pick I want to see camp because they're from Columbus and I haven't seen them right yeah so I want to see camp um who who was it um Briston Moroney yeah keeps getting name drops yeah last week in the episode yeah and then you know I kind of want to go uh just hit all the big names I think you know going seeing like a Miley Cyrus and Dolly comes that'd be great or you know I I'll leave it heck going back to college I want to go see Nellie and see the St. Luke the St. Lunatics and whatever you know whatever else happened just that that's like a fun type of thing and I know it's different I think you guys went to see T-Pain which wasn't so great yeah but when we did our walk by which was way far back everybody was singing along really you know and but we weren't in we were not close we just did the walk but it was so packed because it was yeah overflowing everywhere but everyone was having a great time we did the walk by of T-Pain too and the reason why I say that it was not good is because the guy on stage was just screaming at us and telling us that we uh we didn't appreciate uh T-Pain as much and T-Pain left after two songs and comes back 20 minutes later like he needed a nap it was very odd see I didn't know any of that I just walked in the walk by sounded awesome we were always having fun so I don't know so you're not going to go see the baby or the baby uh you know what though with his catchy tunes if there is not a bigger hip-hop artist on the planet right now than uh than Sir Baby uh and uh you know you know it once the grid came out I probably would have figured out a way to um checked out Lord Baby but I uh which by the way Lord Taco the running joke is he's great at identifying babies and he's really good you can find any baby and he'll be able to tell you whether or not it's a baby uh Lord Taco the baby baby or not he's not really a baby not a baby I knew it I knew I've seen a lot of babies and he is not one not a baby it's official I feel totally scammed I feel totally it's official now yeah yeah what about your end what's what's the top three going in you think you know happens at times Barry can get Barry can take my top three he knows my top three uh we like he doesn't have to look at a lineup he knows what number one is Britney Britney yeah I gotta see where they are you know uh you're ready for number two I don't know Lizzo is two I don't know who three is it's it's literally just the people that I know uh I'm gonna go one two three people at a time yeah yeah that's the ones he's actually spoken to yeah uh people people I can uh scam to call my friends I'm not gonna I'm not so yeah is it Ed O'Brien is now three yeah yeah I'm gonna be my friend Ed O'Brien I mean yeah at least you have your reasons uh-huh uh I really want to see that see you Miley David that's the one uh I've talked about before that one that one to me is right up there is the probably not gonna see her anywhere else thing so that's gonna be that's a big opportunity but uh there's a long list on that lineup if it were to happen especially the original lineup for me yeah there's a bunch of um a bunch of people to check off on my wish list and all three of those to be on I mean those were all good ones you know um the thing about what sucks about the Ed O'Brien thing and I think we might have mentioned it last week if you haven't listened to the Ed O'Brien interview we uh posted it last week and I give it a give it a try if you haven't gotten to it but um it's it's guys like that that I feel really bad about I mean this guy you know waited and waited and waited until it was time to pounce uh and release his only solo album ever and then do a tour around it and now that's I think it'll be okay I think he's gonna be okay yeah I wouldn't worry about him too much yeah I care and worry about my friends you know their success is my success and my future artist pasts and even uh there it is yeah you're thinking about him I will I will uh what uh do you usually do any other festivals other than um other than Bonnaroo? No it's usually Bonnaroo we'll hit a couple concerts and stuff but that's it like we you know speaking of like coming up this summer we wanted to see David Gray he was coming to Cleveland but you know I think I'm sure that that hasn't been officially canceled or postponed but I don't see that happening um you know last last year we went to see Death Cab over in Vegas we were out in Vegas for something they happen to be in there so we just kind of take up the opportunities that we can it's sometimes it's tough in the Midwest. Your normal city is Cleveland if you were to go to shows it's Cleveland huh? Cleveland yeah Cleveland Pittsburgh mostly it's Cleveland I grew up in uh in Canton so I that's like 45 minutes away so that's usually my go-to city. I'm trying to think if there's any other music festivals in and around the Ohio Valley like that um which one am I missing? I feel like there's a really big one in the Ohio Valley and I cannot remember what it was. Yeah tell you one that was that's been I want to go to is and I was thinking about this year was the uh is Wonder Bus in Columbus they started that one a year or so ago and they had some some good good good vibes coming off that one of course that one you know who knows what's happening there too because that's at end of August so. Well look here's here's the thing and we've mentioned it before but um they got pressure from the city Voodoo Fest did but Voodoo Fest is in the end of October cancelled um you know you can you can reschedule you can have rescheduled date all you want to middle of October if if New Orleans is not willing to throw a party uh I don't know anybody else is going to be willing to. Yeah there's I mean they're still seriously talking about college football uh to your point and if if those guys are talking about not playing then yeah it's pretty serious um and it's it's again it's just every it's it's as Brad said everybody's trying to get through the window and the window is closing it keeps getting smaller and smaller and smaller. You could you can you can convince me that some sports could make sense without audience participation like for instance golf you know to define baseball actually we probably need this baseball needs you know a a thwart of adrenaline to try and figure out how to make this show better on tv right um this would force them to try and create a better tv product because nobody's going to be in the stands. I don't know how you do football and you know big sporting events like that without without audiences and without crowds um you know it's going to be it's going to be hard to watch it's going to be impossible to to engage with uh football baseball you know maybe I don't know maybe not soccer but baseball and golf easy it's easy enough but football and music festivals get out of here I don't know how you do that. I did hear an interesting conversation about the Ryder Cup though just because you brought up golf uh the players don't want to have it I think it's Roy McIlroy saying of all the tournaments don't do that one without fans it kind of it's just be a golf tournament you know which makes sense. Yeah yeah there's a difference between like the Ryder Open and the Phoenix Open yeah you know nobody really cares. That's a great point. Man thank you thank you so much for listening thanks so much for being part of the Bonnaroo family and part of the WOD Podcast family man we can't thank you enough. Oh thank you I said this uh you guys are great I appreciate you guys doing this because again you guys are the ramp up to Bonnaroo for me and I know a lot of other people so it's like first time talking but I feel like I know you guys and you guys are part of the crew just listening to you guys go back and forth and doing your picks and and you know interviewing people it's it's a lot of fun I tune in every week so I appreciate it. Yeah we uh we try not we try not to have it much different than what camp would actually be like uh because I love it um it gets it gets brutal and gets very very brutal. Yeah yeah uh you know and and Bryan Stone keeps coming back. Keeps coming back and I don't I don't really know why we don't really understand why. Things have been said to Bryan Stone that I could not imagine and he keeps coming back. I mean if I said it to anyone else they'd pull a gun on me yeah uh but for Bryan it's like okay that's fine yeah it's probably fair. He'll eventually say stop. Yeah stop. Thanks so much again and um you know hopefully you know if we don't see you in 2020 we'll see you definitely in 2021 buddy. Definitely thank you so much appreciate it. Take it easy. OH. IO. All right. David a Patreon from the what? Podcast. A podcast for Bonnaroovians by Bonnaroovians and expanding into our world of all things COVID. Uh so uh yeah I mean with less and less modern things to talk about it's going to basically from that from here on out just be uh fashion advice from Barry. Um it's going to be uh yeah everything and everything we can talk about. How to uh home repair with Barry. How many days can you go with just one pair of shorts? That's yeah that's the that's the big question. Well depends on if you're wearing them or not Barry. Oh I'm always yeah it's it's it's it's not a pretty picture even by myself. Any more Patreons to read before we uh head out? Two more groups Marty McFly the and we've got Andrew McBride, Catherine Riccio, David Saleno, Jacob Marty, Justin Nigro, Meredith Ritman and the Hi5 group Brooke Tussie, David and Sharla Horton, David Daniel and Sharla Horton, David Henson, Ella, Phil Nye, Chakane. With Friends Like Barry. Greetings ahead. Uh with Lord Taco for Barry Courter. I'm Brad Steiner. Talk to you next week. Maybe? Are we doing one next week? What do we got next week? We don't have anything lined up. Well well. What should we do? We'll see. Uh your guest is as good as ours. Talk to you then. What podcast? See you later. Love you bye. Hey hey hey hey. How y'all feeling? Journey through the stories that define the artists playing Bonnaroo. Who are they? What are they? What will you see? The what? Which bands? 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