It feels like the biggest late ad, maybe in Bonnaroo history.

I hearken it back to Jimmy Buffett.

It feels like a throwaway.

It's like, where did this come from?

Welcome to the What Podcast, which bands this year that matter.

I'm Brad, that's Barrius, Lord Taco.

Guys, did we invite Brian?

I just jailed him.

Why is Brian here?

Is everything OK?

Something is off.

I don't know why Brian is in his grandfather's kill room.

What is that?

Grandfather's kill room?

Do you have a cigar ready to go?

Do you have a corn cob pipe?

What are you doing in that room?

What year do you live in?

1955 is when this building was built.

Thank you.

OK, Doc Brown.

OK, Doc Brown, got it.

Brady Bunch.

Brady Bunch family.

Does Barry's shirt say Biggin?

Biggie.

Oh, my man.

I love how Barry is so street all of a sudden.

What the hell's happened last year?

How you living?

Great.

I know.

I know, I think I made a joke.

Barry made a joke.

And he can't remember it.

It's that infrequent.

No, you go back to 1955.

It's somewhere in that room with Brian.

Grace sent a text that the baby had blown out its diaper.

And I said, I love it when you call me Big Poopy, which I thought was hilarious.

That's kind of cute.

That is kind of cute.

My friend found this T-shirt like that next day at a yard sale and got it for me.

That's really cute.

Call me Big Poopy.

It's adorable.

Well, it's great to see you, Brad.

How are you?

Well, I'm fine.

But I need to start by...

Speaking of Big Poopy...

I really have to apologize.

Barry Russ, Lord Taco.

There's no reason I should have left you with Brian.

I'm so sorry.

But I do understand why.

You understand, Brian, why you got chosen, right?

The reason why you got plucked out of obscurity to come on to the biggest podcast in the history of Music Festival podcasts.

I do not know what you're about to say why that reason is.

Go ahead, Brad.

Because Barry's terrible with names and he couldn't go past brr.

That's right.

I needed another B.

I needed a BS.

The alliteration is important.

He could not go any further with any other names.

You tried to give him a codder?

He's fucked.

That's what happened.

And, obviously, the other reason is, Brian said yes.

We couldn't think of anybody else.

How's everybody?

How's everybody doing?

I miss you something terrible.

How are you?

How's everything up in New York?

It's fine.

I mean, it's miserable.

Hold on.

Back's very cold.

It's like the seventh snowstorm of the year.

It fits a lot.

Go ahead, Brad.

I was going to say, New York, I've been up there with you a couple of times now.

I know.

Guys, do you want to know something?

You know something crazy?

I can't believe I'm about to say this, but I give Bryan Stone so much credit.

This dude is so much fun to vacation with.

He is the quintessential never say no.

I could take him to quite literally anything, and I did.

And he never said no.

I could not believe how good he was in this city.

Miserable in New Orleans, but fantastic here.

Eleven bars in one weekend, as a matter of fact.

That's a short week.

He's a big box of sunshine.

Let's get everybody up real quick.

As we've said, I'm Barry, that's Russ, that's Brian, that's Brad.

Longtime listeners will know, Brad and I started this show in 2018.

Because we were bored.

We thought it would be a good idea for about three months.

And here we are.

Our first goal was to have no one listen.

Correct.

That was my goal.

I wanted no one to listen.

The worst product with the worst name ever.

That no one can remember, no one understands, unless you're a Bonnaroo fan.

And you did that.

And you listed Lord Taco, whose goal was to never be on camera.

That's right.

Who now gets more fan mail than any other human being in the history of podcast.

The Lord Taco part of the show was supposed to be a lot like Tom Green's guy that sat in the background.

And just laughed with coffee.

Just nodded and grinned.

That was the whole purpose.

That's my whole contribution.

My favorite episode.

How many times have we had an interview with a band member and it goes an hour.

And at the end they're like, Russ, you were awesome.

You got a single word.

You're welcome.

Well, let me cash your credit.

I'm just like a good luck charm.

Yes, you are.

I miss you guys a lot.

I guess it sucks to be back on the show that you got fired.

I had to pack my box.

I had to get pushed out.

But ever since I've been gone, I've had two interactions that were really interesting.

I won't say who the head of the label was, but it ran up to me and was like, oh my God, I hate the new guy.

No, I'm kidding.

He goes, I love the podcast.

And I'm like, I'm going to be back.

I'm kidding.

No, he goes, I love the podcast.

And I still listen to this day.

And this is ahead of a record label.

So, I mean, you guys are still crushing it.

And then the other one that I had, and I'd be really sad if I didn't bring this up, but I have become really strangely friends with Matt Penfield.

And you guys will know Matt Penfield if you are any, if you're above the age of, I don't know, 35.

But he was so instrumental in us growing up and finding rock music on television.

And we had dinner one night and I had not met him yet.

And so he walks up to me and before he said anything, he's like, podcast.

I love the podcast.

And I couldn't believe like Matt Penfield had cared or even know anything about my career.

And so we started talking about it.

And he's just such a lovely man.

He's just such a lovely man.

And he's in a battle for his life right now.

I wish that I had prepared a little bit more, but you guys know me.

Preparation.

I'm not doing that.

So, but he's got he's in a coma and he's had a stroke and battling for his life.

So I know that there is a link to help him and the family.

And I'll share it with you guys later.

But yeah, those are the two instances I've had since the show and both of them very I don't know.

I was sort of stunned and impressed that it was still locked.

Looked at as fondly as as it used to be.

So congratulations, guys.

Very cool.

And one of the there's a couple of things we wanted to have.

We haven't caught up with you in a while.

So we wanted to have you on the show today.

Definitely going to get your picks.

As Brian has said, it's very difficult for either Brian or I to say anything nice about you.

There's not much.

So I think that was it.

I think I just did it.

But the other thing is you've always been really good at sort of like going through the lineup and saying don't miss this act.

You know, these are the don't sleep on.

And so I want to get that from you today for sure.

Well, yeah, just general nobody.

Nobody cares.

Stop it.

Nobody cares about my pick.

Stop it.

The only reason you're here.

We've had people ask.

But I do I do think that I you know, one thing that you know, probably has has gone forgotten is I probably owe an explanation as to why I left in the first place.

We never really talked about it.

Look at that.

Brad prepping for our show for us.

Thank you, Brian.

I didn't say I prepped this.

I wonder what you've been doing.

I just I also want to ask what you've been doing.

Why did you quit the show, Brad?

Well, look, why did you leave us?

Why did you break up?

Look, there's there's no Brian.

Was it right?

You guys are just so pushy.

No, I think that the I think that Brian knows this really, really well, because for all the shit that we give Brian, Brian is a fantastic broadcaster.

And he's a very, very professional radio guy for a very long time.

No, no, serious.

And he knows this better than anybody to do this and to do this effectively.

You got to have two things, a point of view and authenticity.

And coming on every week, I wasn't being authentic and I just had lost a point of view.

And if you keep faking it, the audience is going to know it.

And I try to tell any talent that I work with this, I try to tell any even musicians that come through my purview.

If you don't have the authenticity, they're going to see right through you.

And at some point you look around and, you know, although I love Bonnaroo and it gave me some of the greatest moments of my life, it gave me some of the best friends in my life.

I just couldn't bring myself to get past.

Yeah, I might come.

And that was doing a disservice to you guys and the time that you spent on this show.

It gives the disservice to the audience.

And, you know, I just couldn't continue feeling like I was wasting everybody's time.

And so I just like I and plus you guys, you guys want to do this.

I just die in the last but not least.

I don't have time anymore.

And the time that I do have like the last thing I want to do is sign on to another zoom.

I probably spend 30 hours of my life on a zoom.

I can't three hours a week of my life.

So yeah, so those are the reasons.

And and I knew you guys are going to be fine because the thing about Bonnaroo is that, you know, you guys are in driver's seat of, you know, not only being the biggest music podcast in the history of podcasting,

but you have this ecosystem that is going to keep it alive forever.

You're going to always have this fuel in the tank because what Bonnaroo does is it creates the community that that you guys get to tap into every week.

And it just constantly pays you back in every way that any time you put something into it, it's going to pay you back.

And I felt it for year after year.

I mean, 17 years deep.

Right, Barry?

Barry, are we 17 or 16?

Yeah. But, you know, every every time that you put something into the world, it's going to come back.

And I didn't feel like I was putting enough into that world to get anything back.

So I 100 percent appreciate that honesty.

And but to to add to that, just to let people know, we came out of covid.

You moved to New Orleans for your job.

Yeah. And then you moved to New York.

And so you missed two years because of covid and then the rain.

And the one year I was coming.

The one year I was on my way up and all hell broke loose.

Yeah. And so, no, I get it.

I mean, we joke about we did a podcast for two years about an event that never happened.

And then you couldn't come for two years.

So, yeah, I get it.

Well, I could.

I mean, you were going to come on and talk about something that you hadn't been to.

Yeah, I look, I listen.

Look, I talk to Evan Bonnaroo about this all the time.

Right. I mean, this dude takes 10 days off of his job.

To come down to Tennessee, which I find to be, you know, I mean, pat him on the back, give him a round of applause to do that.

I don't know where I'd find 10 days.

I really don't. And in the 10 days that I would have, God, I love you.

But I got to find something else to do.

You know, I I'm at a music festival.

I don't mean to say this, but in New York, like I've had eight shows in two weeks.

Every day. Yeah, I get.

And Brian was here for him.

You know, Brian saw like this is just a nonstop thing if you choose to.

And it just became it became too much.

And let me let me ask you about that, Brad, real quick.

I mean, I was up there for a total of 11 days over two years with you.

And I know it's a long time.

A really long time.

It was like two years over 11 days.

Let me get to the goddamn question.

So I was amazed with this city.

I still am.

I mean, what were your expectations going there from New Orleans via Chattanooga

and to where they are two years from now?

Like it's every single night.

It looks exhausting.

And with and you said, with the timing of needing to step away from the show,

I mean, the work you're doing up there is pretty important stuff.

No, it's not industry from from a program.

And it's not you're not on the air.

Hey, it's New York's hottest hits today.

No, you're doing it every six months.

And I did that for six months.

And just talk about your thoughts on New York from before you got there to where

you are now.

Before you do that again, seriously, your title, who you work for and what it is

you do, because it is relevant.

I don't even know, guys.

I mean, that's a grand poobah.

It's a reach.

It's a regional programming thing.

And I've got stations in Detroit, Miami, Richmond, Virginia, my hometown,

and the New York one and then some some online properties as well.

So that's an all right gig, Brad.

It's an all right.

They mean to be busy with the company.

You're not doing sports updates and the company, the company Odyssey provides me

24.

The company Odyssey provides me a very comfortable life in the most expensive

city in the world.

Let's let's just be honest.

So it's not a bad gig.

And I say this to anybody.

Listen, I don't work on a roof for a living.

So I'll take it.

What's my what's my expectations?

I honestly didn't really know any I didn't have expectations.

I just wanted to come into this.

And I used this line earlier to describe Brian.

I think that's why we connect so well.

I had this really bad habit of never saying no.

And if you don't in this city, it will kill you.

There's just too much to say yes to.

And it is, you know, it's been described.

It's a carnival every single day if you decide to.

So you've got to be really careful about where you put your energy and how much

you extend.

But for me, it was the way that I thought about New Orleans was I'm getting paid

for a two year vacation.

I get to go to my favorite city in the world.

And and that that experience changed my entire life.

It changed everything about me and made me the person I am today.

And I thought about it as a two year vacation.

And that's how I feel about New York.

I'm just I'm being paid to to Gallivant.

And, you know, it's it's there's work.

Sure.

I had a conversation one time about a guy with a guy who works at Amazon Music.

And I was saying how, man, I'm just not really doing much.

I feel like I've got a lot of spare time on my hands.

And he goes, no, you do a lot.

You just have doing it.

You've done it for 25 years.

So it becomes old hat.

And so it oftentimes feels like playtime.

But, you know, you know, Barry, you wrote articles in your sleep, you know.

Yeah.

About people that, you know, everyone else was talking about.

I get it. It felt like I was cheating.

Yeah, it does.

It does a little bit getting to do the fun stuff.

Yeah, I get it.

You know, right about a restaurant.

Yeah.

Get to go eat right.

Yeah.

As long as it's before seven thirty, you were in.

Correct.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, is there ever a time that you feel like that city is just going to chew you up, spit you out, and you're not going to be able to do it anymore?

I mean, it is an exhausting place as amazing as it is.

It's so fast moving.

Do you get concerned to be burned out by this?

I'm burned out every day.

I'm burned out every day.

But then you wake up and you're like, oh, I can do that today.

All right, let's just go do that then.

And then you reinvigorated again.

So it's just like it starts all over.

You know, yeah, you're like, oh, God, I so like yesterday there was a Mumford and Sons pop up at a bar in the West Village and you wake up in the morning and you hear about it.

And I'm like, I cannot go into the city for the ninth day in a row.

I just cannot do it.

And then like an hour and a half passes like I can't not be there.

I can't.

I've got to go.

What am I doing here?

What am I doing here?

I'm going to sit around and sit on my cat.

Get out of here, man.

All right.

Serious question.

Brian alluded to this after one of his visits.

I guess you were downstairs waiting for a taco.

Fish.

Hey, taco.

Come on.

There you go, buddy.

Weirdly enough, they don't sell PBR at my bodega.

I'm sorry.

So I got you one of these.

My man.

So, Brian, I don't remember which show it was, but you were talking about you were downstairs with Brad and it was a bunch of industry people, the people that make the decisions.

So I'm going to ask Brad, what's the what what are you feeling right now?

What's the state of music?

Do you be professional?

Give me give me an honest answer.

Live music, obviously in New York is different than the rest of the world.

Or is it?

Yeah, I don't know.

I feel like I have a cheat code up here.

I don't I don't know what I could say about this.

I do know that, you know, it's harder now and probably than ever to figure out a way to break through.

Everybody's trying to find an angle.

Everybody's trying to find their niche.

And, you know, if you don't have the data to to back it up, it's a slog and you got to work your ass off.

And when you do that, is it is it going to pay off?

But, you know, I think about my buddy Jason Singer, you guys met him, Michigander.

I mean, the kid, one of my favorite human beings on the planet, put out a new album and, you know, he's going to work his ass off.

And hopefully he gets, you know, the the thing that breaks through.

And, you know, unfortunately, the way that this thing is built, at least on the the commerce side, is that you get a sink.

You get in on a tick tock and you go viral and then all of a sudden you can make some money.

If you don't have that, you got to go and go day to day and door to door and hand to hand combat.

And, you know, it's it's it's rough.

I mean, not everyone is. Look, Brian loves Chaperone, right?

So Chaperone started her career and got dropped from her label and had to start all over.

And it felt like an overnight explosion, but it wasn't.

It wasn't overnight. She's been doing this for years.

So, you know, decade minimum. Yeah.

And so when you're one of these people, you just got to keep hoping and believing that you've you've got something until, you know, your moment comes.

And the state of the industry is I'm not going to lie to you.

It's it's it's itchy. It's scary.

It's it's not you're seeing labels lose 20, 30 percent of their workforce.

The infrastructure part of it is becoming dicier, even though they're making record profits.

So nobody really knows where this thing kind of goes.

And I think that's got everybody in a in a nervous place looking for easy, easy answers and easy hits.

All right. I'm going to bring it back around to the bonnar roof a little bit.

Speaking of easy answers. Baby. That's why you left.

Yeah. Couldn't leave. So so proud of you. So proud of you.

Oh, I missed that. So you've seen it.

So you when you were here in Chattanooga, you were whatever, whatever program director of a, you know, mid market Chattanooga radio, small market, small market.

And you and I started going to Bonnaroo and we met people like Michigander.

We met Warren Treeti. We met those guys who were trying to break in and then got to watch them grow and become, you know, grand.

Just stop you right there. I mean, look at what Warren Treeti did from the day that we met them. Right.

We had great. We had no idea who they were.

They changed us literally sitting across the table from them.

They couldn't have been sweeter. The hugs, the tears.

And then all of a sudden now they're on the Grammy winning Grammys and a single with Zach Brian.

Give me a break, man. What a story. What a story.

We've seen that. We've watched that.

So, you know, those kind of moments, how is it different?

Is it different to you?

It's a thing. It's a thing that keeps me. It's a thing.

It keeps the fuel in the tank, man. It keeps it.

That was an amazing day.

So that that kind of stuff is the thing that keeps me quite literally alive in this thing, because about two years ago I discovered,

I stumbled upon this band. I fell in love with them.

I started sending them to everyone in the industry.

I got obsessed and to the point where when they finally broke, you know, I got lucky.

It doesn't happen very often, but I got lucky and everybody looked around like, oh, yeah, this is Brad's band.

This is Brad's. These are Brad's guys.

And now I'm like friends with their dad and and their dad's best friend, who's a pain in my ass.

But God, I love him.

The band is Royal Lotus and they're going to be at Bonnaroo this year.

And if there's if there's one band that I say this every year, I bring the whole camp to you guys are coming with me to Royal Lotus.

They are absolutely have blown up beyond my wildest expectations.

But, you know, two and a half years ago, two years ago when I found them, I thought that this these guys, these kids,

if we could get them to America, they're going to explode.

And they did.

That's the thing that I love so much about this.

You know, you can make a difference.

I mean, we all can make a difference.

Can make a difference.

Let's not overstate this.

Let's not overstate this.

Many, many times.

Let's not overstate this.

No, I think I think that everybody can can make a difference in this industry if you truly believe in something.

But I don't know if look, there are people in this thing that will say that they discovered Cage the Elephant.

As if there wasn't a massive plan for this band to break anyway.

Yeah, discovering a mountain.

It was.

Look, I found the Tennessee River.

I thought we thought that was fun.

Yeah, I discovered a car.

Well, we have a president who thinks he found the Gulf.

Let's be honest.

I know.

No, but that's the part of it that's really fun for me that that I truly do love.

I don't know if you have I don't know if you can really make a difference.

You feel like you do.

Boy, you're told that you are.

But you know, the cynic in me, I don't know if you really are.

I don't know.

But that's the part I love the most.

I mean, I'm into two bands right now that are New York bands that I cannot stop talking about.

I just saw one of them last week.

I'll see the next one in a couple of weeks.

One band's The Backfires and the others are RC Drive, ARCY Drive.

I played this for a bunch of people in my life, this RC Drive and Taco Brian.

They're going to love this.

But the main response that I got from playing this band for people is they said, you like this because it sounds like a dive bar.

It does sound like a dive bar.

That's my guy.

Those are my guys.

These are my guys.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I saw it on one of your snaps or somewhere and I immediately thought that this is probably one that I might like.

Yeah.

Well, let's talk about the Bonnaroo lineup.

When it hit on that Tuesday, I mean, I know you weren't anticipating it like you have in the past.

Some of that's changed with everything.

We've already gone over that first thoughts.

What did you think?

Well, it's tough to anticipate something that you find out like 10 days before, you know, like, and when I saw it, I was like, oh, this is this is good.

It's really good.

It's really good.

I want to ask you guys, though, when you saw it, I'm sure that you had a really positive reaction like everyone else did.

But did your did the wind get taken out of your sails two days later when you saw the Govball lineup?

Did that change?

I got it written down right here to ask you almost that exact thing.

Did that change?

Did that change the narrative at all in your in you guys' world?

Go ahead.

Yeah, it did.

Yeah, it did me.

It felt like we've seen this before.

And yes, it made the Bonnaroo one less special.

I thought it cheapen the whole damn process, the whole the whole season.

And I wondered if it was flipped the other way, which I know they strategically did this probably.

Maybe I don't know that.

But I think that what if the Govball came out first and a week later, we're looking at Bonnaroo seeing the same thing.

We'd be like, this is lame as it gets.

So I don't know how to feel about that.

Exactly.

Let me add it did just in that sense of this is what we talk about all the time.

But as a fan, is it going to change my opinion of Bonnaroo?

No.

But from this show's point of view and everything we've talked about it, it did.

Does that make sense?

It does.

I would say that, look, I think that what you see is the homogenization of everything that this world is.

Right.

I mean, there's only a few people that can really operate these festivals and C3 is going to maximize their ability to spread artists that they have agreements with through all of their own properties.

So, of course, there's going to be spillover.

I think what the kids at Bonnaroo do that they can locally control is really the secret sauce.

Nobody else has a giz three nights.

Nobody else can add an arcade fire at the last minute.

Which we haven't even touched on.

Yeah.

We haven't even talked about that late night.

That whole thing.

Yeah.

Nobody else has what I think you guys are going to don't sleep on the Remy Wolf Super Jam because she has got it.

She has it.

So, yeah, there are there are places where they have the local control.

They do a really, really good job of.

You know, it's the C3 part of the festival that's sort of like given to them.

And then they say, all right, well, I guess we can work with this box.

We can work this box of goods.

Now we just got to add to it.

I don't know if it matters.

I really don't know if it matters anymore.

You know, I think that when we started this when we started this thing, Barry, it was such a there were the big four and there's still the big four.

And it was so regionalized.

And now you're seeing the regionalization sort of fall apart and the smaller festivals losing their their their financial base.

You know, these these companies, they're losing employees.

They don't have the amount of money that takes to keep these things going.

So, yeah, you're seeing less and less regionalization and less small festivals.

The boutiques are going away.

So, yeah, if you have a lineup that you can share from New York to Tennessee, does anybody does anybody care?

You know, what does it matter?

I agree. Yeah, probably not, especially with a little bit of of of area between there.

What what are locals think about the festival governor's ball?

I mean, is that something New Yorkers care?

There are no locals.

It's hard to say what do locals think about something in New York?

Well, sorry to put it.

Sorry to be so bumpkin.

Oh, I know. I don't know how to play for the defense of this quick.

Jesus, it's what do people who live in New York think about governor's ball?

I had you know, you know how a puppy is when he sees a rolled up newspaper.

He's twitchy. I have he is.

Yes, I know.

He I had a friend of mine, I had a friend of mine text me as a big sports guy.

He goes, oh, is the is anybody talking about the Knicks in town?

No, no, like, I don't know.

You know, like, I can't speak.

You can't speak for 12 million people like you cannot say like, oh, yeah, by and large, the only I know.

But come on, there's a little bit. I mean, it's a big festival.

Gov. Gov. Ball's an interesting one because so many people still related to going to Randall's Island.

And that was a pain in the ass.

And they also know and remember how every time they would go to Gov.

Ball, there would be a massive rainstorm or there would be elect, you know, lightning strikes, lightning strikes that cancel.

No, I just think it's been it was it was it was hit with so many bad pieces of luck year after year after year that last year they finally get into Queen's the Queen's Park and they get a really good spot.

The location now is is set and firm.

They get a great lineup. So it feels like they just started.

Sadly enough, you know, it feels like they finally got everything in place.

And now they just got to hope for the weather.

We had a good we had a good interview with Tom Russell of Governor's Ball last year.

Remember that? Yep. Yeah, I love that, too. I love that, too.

Yeah. Yeah. Form a superfly guy. Yep. Yep.

So along those lines, back to the when I saw the Governor Ball and when we saw the Bonnaroo lineup to me and Brad, this goes back to one of our early, early shows when we had Stephen and Brian on talking about when we went to Knoxville and how they build lanes.

When we came out of Bonnaroo last year, Russ and Brian, you will remember Brad Parker sent me a text and said it's a Renaissance year.

It feels it feels to me to your point that they've sort of figured out the formula again.

And I'm stressed again because they think they do it every couple of three years.

You know, they had to deal with the boutique festivals.

They had to deal with the fact that there were thousands of festivals all of a sudden.

And so they had to kind of reinvent this lineup to me because of the lanes as we've talked about and the the giz and the extras, the late night, the arcade fire that came out of nowhere this week, the Infinity stage.

You know, they keep value adding, I guess.

On top of everything they've done outside in the plazas already.

Correct. Correct. Correct. So that to me feels like and that I guess I'm just curious if you see that industry wide type of thing too.

They have to do it. You've got to adapt. You got to change.

It's a it's a camping festival that tries to get 80,000 people.

I think that I think that I understand what you're saying about lanes five years ago.

I don't think that lanes exist anymore.

I think that the thing that I've at least witnessed going from I mentioned, you know, Chattanooga being a small market, New Orleans being a medium sized market and then to New York.

The the thing that feels so monumentally different about the three is the access to data and the way that they use data.

You would be shocked that they have I'm going to bet that C3 and these entities have so much data that they knew the same person that's buying a ticket for Luke Combs is buying a ticket for Dom Dala.

These are the same people.

They have the same exact that that's not a lane.

So so there's like there's no connection between Luke.

There is. Let me back that up.

There is a connection from Luke Combs to Waxahachie to you know every other like country artists that you can find.

But Billy Billy strings.

But you but I promise you I promise you this more of a connection between the Luke Combs and the Dom Dala fan and the Justice fan.

Then then you probably think I'm trying I just use justice because I don't have a lineup in front of me.

But those but those kind of things are are a lot more connected than you would imagine.

Okay.

That's I get what you're saying and I think we're saying the same thing differently.

When five years ago 10 years ago 15 years ago when this idea of lanes was introduced to us it was much narrower.

Yeah that's right. It was it was what I'm seeing is it is broader.

When you look at this lineup it is that type of yeah I think I think I think we're gonna go see a Dom Dala.

I think the idea is that that there is the the genre in that we believed in as as four guys that are over 40 is you're the youngest guy that doesn't.

Boy it shows.

I think that the I think I think the point is the point is that the genre defining thing doesn't really exist in anybody under 35 anymore.

You know so so it's I guess that's true.

It's harder to draw one of these really clear paths that you know yes there are going to be the people that go from Mount Joy to Kinga's.

Yes that's going to be very easy for them to to to draw a straight line to.

But these these kids these kids get off my lawn.

The kids the kids don't have they're not tied to genres anymore.

You know because because by the way all of those kids that are going to go see Dom Dala going to ICP later.

That's what I was going to say. So is this 61 year old.

And that's I guess what I'm saying. I think it's hilarious that we've got ICP and Luke Combs and Dom Dala and Queens of the Stone Age and Avril you know on and on and on.

The other thing too that I give them a lot of credit for and I saw it might have been Brad that said this and I don't and I apologize if I'm attributing this to someone that that didn't say it.

But the way that they kept the undercard feeling like Bonnaroo but then had to go to the next generation of headliners because if the one thing that you guys saw coming from a mile away is that the headliners don't really exist anymore.

And the ones that do are so expensive and the other ones you've already had a million times.

So you've got to go to a different world for headliners and is Olivia Rodrigo a headliner that anybody would be happy with five years ago or someone like her five years ago.

I well she was in preschool five years. Yes I understand that or someone like her.

I think that people would roll their eyes at it but if they're going to go to the next generation of superstars they've got to start putting people on that aren't necessarily the clearest Bonnaroo fit.

I mean Brad that's an interesting thought because every thought of mine at Brian is interesting.

I know all of them all of them every single one of them because I think five years ago I would have thought exactly that like this is ridiculous.

This Rodrigo what are we doing here.

This Rodrigo.

I've been conditioned to be looking for this to be looking for this to be angry.

You're conditioned to be angry. You're conditioned to be upset.

I am. I know.

To be looking for a Lizzo to be looking for something that I'm not necessarily even wanting and that might be a testament to the way that the festivals held up.

Do you guys remember the arguments that we had hearing people say that Lizzo wasn't a headliner.

Yeah. Yeah.

I mean at the time it like she was like she cannot be the first female headliner that we have at this festival.

That was a serious.

We could go into the weeds on this one if we want to.

I won't but we know where people's minds are coming from on this a lot of the time I would say.

I don't know.

Fair?

No I don't think that I know where you're going with that and I don't agree with that.

That was as much as she you know it could have been any.

People are awful Brad.

Yeah.

I know that.

Been any.

OK.

All right.

So you mentioned some names already.

Who are the other.

Who are the other Brad.

Oh God.

By the hang on.

Let me get I got to get my phone.

I got to look at the lineup here.

Hang on.

Are you anti phone now Brian.

You're it.

What is the problem.

Guys coming on podcast doesn't bring lineup with them.

Come on Brad.

You know how it's crazy.

There is a box of Google sitting in my hand that I can access at any moment.

Yes you're right.

I didn't print out the festival lineup Brian and highlight it.

And then you have the phone.

God.

So I don't need you.

You don't have to print it off.

Brad.

He better be dead.

I think that I'm going to.

Brian the first thing you're supposed to memorize.

I'm not.

I'm not.

I'm not in love with Thursday.

It's not really for me.

I'm not going to be one of the Luke Combs Dom Dala girls.

But I understand that they're out there and there's a lot of them.

But I will say Brian if you don't know him you need to be at the Marcus King show.

He.

Oh no I know.

OK.

Because that's got Brian written all over it.

I mean.

What about Joey Valance and Bray.

You know the whole Beastie Boy.

EDM thing.

No no it's not EDM.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Beastie Boys.

Yeah.

It's all right.

It's Beastie Boys.

It's got a little drum and yeah it's OK.

I think for Brian it needs a bigger bell buckle.

You know I don't think it's big enough.

All my brothers cover man.

Yeah.

That would bottom if they were bell.

Which by the way that's the only thing that he liked about the Kendrick show is like he's

wearing my pants.

Those were good pants.

Those were great jeans.

I know those were fabulous.

You said Lamar Lamar.

This Rodrigo and Lamar.

God.

Could you be more like undercover racist.

Listen to this guy.

OK.

Oh my God.

His name is Kendrick Lamar not Lamar.

What.

Anyway yes.

You're the only one I thought of during that festival during that performance because of

those those pants because those were so he robbed you of your pants.

I fade in and out of fashion my friend.

Wearing tube socks underneath.

What's the I love the kids from Wilderado.

That's going to be a that's a lovely show.

I've got no problem with that.

I also like this.

Hey nothing band two dudes that you know talk about sounding a little bit like a dive bar.

I think that they're just crunchy enough.

I think they're just unpolished and lack of varnish enough.

I like that.

That I haunt your dreams track.

So give those guys a try.

That's really pretty much all I would spend time with on Thursday.

But Friday I was immediately I'm not going to say the word concern but I was drawn to I don't

know if you guys notice the foster the people slide.

We talk all the time about how down the list.

Yeah we talk all the time about how bands move themselves up the lineup.

But for a band that I adore with an album that I thought was fantastic for them to have

slid down the lineup the way that they have has been is stunning to me.

It's absolutely stunning.

One of my favorite memories in New York that I've had is on my birthday of all the things

that I chose to do there was a foster the people underplay and because their manager

knows how big of a Julia Garner fan I am he said look if you come to the show I promise

you can hug her.

So I went to a foster the people show just so I could hug Julia Garner.

That's a heck of a promise.

I'd like to know how that conversation went.

Hey there's this guy Brad.

It was described by people.

You gotta hug him.

It was just it was described as people near me as well that was creepy.

Sounds like it.

No doubt.

Oh God I love her so much.

Anyway I would I would not miss the foster the people show only because that was one

of my favorite Bonnaroo memories standing on stage and then standing next to me is the

fits in the tantrums people and realizing that moment.

Oh I think they might be dating.

It was so weird.

I think that you are insane if you don't go to Megadeth.

I don't know how the thing that I love about Bonnaroo right is that you go to shows that

you absolutely would never pay to go to otherwise.

I'm not leaving the house for Megadeth show.

I'm not paying for one but my God I bet that's gonna be so fun.

That is the Alice Cooper spot right.

We had the Alice Cooper mention that about every week.

OK absolutely.

I'm glad we're on the same page.

And now we know that's that's gonna be a late night show.

Megadeth is on the after hours release that they just put out a few days.

Well that makes sense.

It's where they put Alice Cooper Alice Cooper is 1 a.m.

right.

Yeah.

That's where they put corn too late anyway.

I don't know if it was after 1 a.m.

But yeah.

Now I'm glad to hear you say that because that's 100 percent.

You're not going to see their show anywhere else for any reason.

But you will be able to say you saw Mary.

How old are they now.

God I don't know.

Oh mid 60s.

Yeah.

I looked it up the other day.

So yeah I think maybe pushing.

OK so Megadeth is almost death.

Megadeth Megadeth takes a new name.

It's a new whole new meaning.

I'm a huge fan of Mannequin Pussy which is weird because there are two bands with the

name man with the word mannequin and on the lineup which feels very I don't know if that's

that's been that's happened before.

A lot of babies.

We've had babies before but not a couple of mannequins.

I love Mannequin Pussy.

That's one of my favorite albums last year for being an indie nerd.

I like that band a lot.

And then a band I struggle with on Fridays the only other one that sticks out to me is

I don't know if you guys remember me and Nick Turner and the wife walking to the cult show

and quite literally I fell asleep standing up.

I love this band but God it was such a bad time.

It was in the middle of the day.

It was hot as hell.

They're too sleepy for that space but I got to go back and see them because I love that

band.

Was that the same year as Little Dicky?

It might have been.

It might have been.

God you were into that Little Dicky.

That was the most disappointing show.

It was really bad.

Yeah it was really bad.

I thought you slept through that one too I thought.

No I think we just left.

I think we just left.

That was a rough year.

And then Saturday is like Saturday is the day that feels.

Take a rest.

No I would be resting Thursday and Friday.

Sunday's my day.

Let's be honest.

Sunday's my day but Saturday is the most exploratory that I would be if I was you guys.

Right.

I start with the Arcade Fire ad and you guys tell me it feels like the biggest late ad

maybe in Bonnaroo history.

I hearken it back to Jimmy Buffett.

It feels like a throwaway.

It's like where did this come from?

Arcade Fire was one of my favorite shows ever.

And so yeah I'm with you.

This is like oh by the way are you kidding?

Yeah the juxtaposition of what Arcade Fire one night and then the Black Keys.

Arcade Fire doing it with 12 people on stage and then Black Keys the next night or the

night before doing it with three people on stage having the same billowing sound and

the same full experience was just two nights in a row that I thought were just magical.

Yes that's taco.

Well I got to ask you this.

I got to ask you this.

What is this on Arcade Fire performance?

Because the way it's worded is very weird.

It says Arcade Fire presents Santa Perotta.

What does that mean?

We don't know.

I've heard this might be like a DJ act.

It's not a DJ.

No it's not a DJ set.

It's not a DJ.

No.

I think that Wynn is trying to reset the Arcade Fire narrative both sonically and in a way

both sonically and maybe personally.

But look I have a tough time talking about Arcade Fire.

I spent way too much time with them in New Orleans.

They're from New Orleans.

They live in New Orleans.

They're not from New Orleans.

They live there now.

They have such a ingrained existence with the Pres Hall people with so many people that

I adore in that city.

Wynn has done a fantastic job being a good beacon for that town.

He's got his own crew.

You see him at every show.

He has never been anything but lovely and kind to me.

Really funny.

Really dry.

But there is the obvious elephant in the room in the allegations that came years ago.

And you know they're obviously trying to have a new presentation.

What that presentation is going to be I've heard a lot of different things about that

I doesn't really feel like none of it really sticks or makes sense to me.

So I would go.

Here's the other thing too that makes it so interesting.

They're going to present a whole new put it this way.

They're going to have a new presentation of this.

And the first time they're going to be doing it is on that stage right in Batarou.

It's going to be one of the first times they present this.

That feels risky.

You know the bottom stages for something you don't I don't you don't take many risks.

You know it's it's not for experiment.

Yeah.

For a completely new sound from a very well established artist.

This just has so much.

It just could go well it could go wrong.

I don't think it's going to.

But it's got it's got the feel of this is risky.

Maybe that's what makes it so fun.

Maybe that's what makes it so interesting for them.

Maybe that's what they're trying to look for.

But I'm all in on it.

I know that we're not going to we're not going to get an arcade fire on the which stage show like in the past.

It's going to be something I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Do you think there do you think there would be blowback if they were on the initial lineup or something.

You think there's any strategic maneuvering to this at all or am I looking too far into that.

I think they've if they're on the initial lineup they would have been completely glossed over.

So this gives them what they're actually they're they're putting the spotlight down.

We're talking about arcade fire.

And you know what I anticipate being new music for them this year anyway.

So it's a strategic plan that they have.

They're they're too important.

They're too they're too valuable to their management and label for this not to be very very very well thought out.

If there's anything that when does it's think things through.

So and sometimes maybe he thinks it too much.

But he's not going to he's not going to do anything on a whim which makes this kind of exciting.

And I dangerous but exciting.

The other thing that I would point to somebody keep Evan Bonnar who hydrated for Mount Joy this dude.

I don't know how you guys have seen me nerd out about bands.

But is there a dude that loves this band more than Evan Bonnaroo.

He's obsessed with Mount Joy obsessed with him.

Yeah I mean I've seen his Jack White obsession is there.

And then there's what the revivalist to I believe.

And so Mount Joy is one of his Mount Joy John Mayer revivalist and Jack White's huh.

He loves somebody keep him alive for that show.

And then well Mount Joy I mean I'm a big fan too.

So I'm looking for I I am kind of into action Bronson.

He he does all the things musically that I appreciate and then adds you know hip hop and Wu Tang on top of it.

So I don't know if that's going to be to attract or to a band.

I hope it's to a band but musically dude that guy has my number.

You know how much of a stan I am for Olivia Rodrigo the Rodrigo girl.

I love her.

I love her.

I think that she is she's my generation's Taylor Swift.

I think that she's your generation.

I think that she's such a good songwriter the way that she works.

I know.

Taylor Swift is your generation.

I've.

She's such a good songwriter.

I find the way that she chooses phrases and certain sentences to be so unique.

I'm a huge fan.

I'm going to go to Gigi Perez to talk about a sweetheart who's trying to find her way in this industry.

She's got you know tick tock heat.

She's got a track that has blown up called Sailor's Song.

Her mom is her manager and she is the sweetest mom that you've ever met.

She just walks around hugging everyone.

I love that.

And then if you're not at Russie I'm sorry Rossie Russ I'm upset.

Let's let's back up for a second.

There is a band called Rossie Rossi and Barry.

And Barry can't swim.

Where is the band named Brian Needs a Girl.

If you had that everything would be fine.

What are you my mother.

Brian ain't happy.

Who's going to get a girl over there.

I'm worried about you.

Look at look at the room you're sitting in.

No woman would walk in.

This is this feels like home.

Are you eating.

Are you eating.

Brian we got a we got to work on it.

All right.

We got to work on it.

Yeah.

We're going to get a long way real quick.

Sunday.

Yeah.

You said that's your day.

Yeah.

I like James Arthur even though he might be a Ted to sad boy pop for a lot of people.

I want to see what Bill Murray is just because I'm a huge Bill Murray fan.

That dude if you know the band Attack Attack he started this little project called Bill Murray.

And you know I was trying to figure out what you were talking about.

Bill Murray all one there.

I'm not familiar with this.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm doing it because I just want to talk about the time I met Bill Murray.

Yeah.

And he's your good buddy now in Chicago.

I see it.

I see it now.

OK.

Bill Murray B I L M U R.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Murray.

I'm sorry about that time you met the real Bill Murray.

Have I ever told you guys that story.

That's your twice.

I am going to go see Big Gigantic because I like their stuff eight years ago and I'm

still holding on to that band.

I love them so much.

I'm going to go see Barry Can't Swim for obvious reasons.

I swear to God if the Bonnaroo people do not let you on that stage to introduce Barry Can't

Swim I would burn it down.

We do need to work on this.

Yeah.

But we can make that happen.

But side note it's a really good show guys.

He is fantastic.

Really?

Yeah.

I like him a lot.

Spend time with Barry Can't Swim.

And honestly Barry.

I do every week.

Show up shirtless.

I think this is the day you go shirtless.

Show up in swim trunks.

Maybe a onesie.

You could be in a one piece.

Okay.

That I could do.

Everybody is coming with me.

Wear it for the pool party and then wear it for Barry Can't Swim.

See.

There you go.

Everybody is coming with me to Royal Otis.

Look I think that I can't believe you guys don't know this band.

Not only Sofa King was so infectious but they are the ones that did the murder on the dance

floor cover that took over last year.

They did the linger.

They always finished with linger.

They did the dance floor cover that took over last year.

They did the linger.

They always finished with linger.

Two Australian kids Roy and Otis.

Otis is just the most charming beautiful front kid you've ever met who is just so soft spoken

and lovely.

He's got a voice like an angel.

And Roy kicks my ass every time I'm around him.

I mean 4 a.m.

Hammer it.

Two of my favorite people in this industry.

I love these kids.

I would I would.

I would get my hands on them.

I would I would I would take a bullet for this band.

I love this band so much.

I think that like it's them Fontaine's DC is like our next generation who we have to look forward

to coming with heat.

There's not a lot.

We don't have a lot of these guys that I think have superstar potential like Baloo Brigada maybe

but it's I think the Royal Otis kids have it.

Remy Wolf the super jam on Saturday I think is a must see.

She is a sweetheart.

She's got a ton of friends a ton of friends and she's got a history with with music.

She loves it so much.

She's got a really good perspective plus she's adorable and so charming.

Spend time with the Remy Wolf.

And then of course I'm going to finish up a Queen's Stone Age and Vampire Weekend even though

you know I think the last Vampire Weekend album left us all something to you know left us wanting

a little bit more and then I'm going to probably leave before Hozier if I'm there because I've seen

seen seen Hozier a lot.

I've seen Hozier a lot.

There's been a lot of Hozier in my life.

So love Andy but I'm probably leaving early.

There you go.

That's a lot.

Yes.

That's the whole page.

That's not bad.

I took notes.

I took notes.

I hope you all did too.

I did too.

Typically we get about two or three from you.

What?

That's good.

No no I don't mean that ugly.

I mean like you know there's usually the two or three don't miss.

The don't miss is Royal Lotus for me.

The don't miss is Royal Lotus and Arcade Fire.

I don't and look none of the headliners do anything for me and that's fine.

Except for Olivia Rodrigo.

I would not I would not be anywhere but Olivia Rodrigo.

I mean I would be Billy Joel-ing it after the show and before the show just hoping to run into Olivia Rodrigo.

Big fan.

Let me ask you this.

Three nights of King Giz you haven't you're not going to one?

Yeah I would.

I would do that Friday night because Friday is my lightest day.

I would probably do that Friday night.

Okay.

Yeah.

Unless unless it's on the same time as Megadeth then I'm screwed.

But yeah I'd find a King Giz in there sometime as well.

And by the way you know I still haven't with all of the the Plaza stuff I still haven't been to any of them.

Like they do all these shows out in the plazas and I had never I never went to any of them.

You haven't been to GA since 2009.

What is GA?

Where the savages hang out.

I don't know what you're talking about.

What is what's camp look like these days?

Who are you guys?

You're looking at.

Yeah.

It's about as fun as my office here.

You're looking at it.

Yeah.

We kind of merged our camp with a group out of Nashville.

We got another Brad.

We do have another damn Brad.

There's Brads everywhere.

Barry thanks you.

Barry cannot do any more new names.

Keep it simple.

Keep it simple.

Yeah we I think we turned a little bit of a corner last couple of years.

We're pretty sparse but then we realized that we have been camping next to the folks that Russ just alluded to Beth and Brad and and we like it and Nashville.

com I believe.

Yeah.

He's a Nashville.com contributor writer and then Beth is a photographer and so man Barry really does have a type doesn't he?

He does.

But I think you know I think we all when we left this last year we felt energized.

Yeah.

Glad about being with them.

And what are you guys looking forward to this year?

What is your impression of this lineup so far?

I mean we're going to deep dive way into it but I mean we were I mean I don't know if it's blanket across the board but we were all pretty excited.

Yeah.

What like seemingly most people were I mean I when I first saw it I thought it was an absolute home run.

I put it on the on a par with 2020.

I think some of that's lore at this point.

I think this is a really nice lineup with the addition of Thursday being actually mostly a-

Yeah how did that go last year with the headlining on Thursday?

Yeah.

Great.

Great.

Pretty lights was so much fun.

The crowd control was so much better on a Thursday moving people around.

I love it.

Yeah.

I think it I think it brings a whole nother element of value.

I think you mentioned that earlier Brad to this entire thing.

This that Thursday to me is huge.

What's the crowd like?

It was it was probably the same as it normally is but it's so concentrated in the tent and center area outside of the main field.

When you open that up it just made it so much more fun.

It just made it such a comfortable feeling.

Really?

We had a good Thursday as a show all the way around.

We had a lot of fun stuff on Thursday.

Thursday's my favorite day.

Thursday's my favorite day.

Thursday was a great day.

Friday was a good day.

Yeah.

But I think that's I mean I think that's what sets it over the top of a value add.

Like we were talking it's just that Thursday's huge.

Yeah what they've done and almost too much is because of all the stuff out in the plazas it spread things out.

So you're not getting the giant crowd at one place like you used to.

You know what I mean?

And that makes it more comfortable.

Everything they've done from the bathrooms to the showers to just the logistics.

What do you think the biggest non-headliners show is going to be this year?

Like last year was Noah Khan right?

That had to be the biggest crowd.

Year before last.

Year before last.

Last year was Chapel.

Yeah that's right.

That's right.

Thank you.

Who do you think that is this year?

Giz probably one of those.

Yeah.

Does Goose have a show that gives a jam band feel and a renaissance of the jam feel?

That could be a sidebar storyline maybe.

Okay.

I don't know.

It's a good question though.

Yeah.

I think the Infinity Stage I'm curious.

Oh yeah.

That could the Remy Wolf thing.

What is this Infinity Stage?

And by the way why did they name it that?

I was going to ask you.

Why did they name it that?

That doesn't feel like the right name.

Yeah.

It feels like they pulled it out of a hat a little bit.

But I was going to ask you the same thing.

What about it?

I don't know.

Brad you got to know more than us.

I don't.

I don't.

I have no idea.

I mean you guys are fucked.

It's called the world's largest 360 degree spatial audio.

Where are they putting it?

That's what we don't know.

Our guest is over probably where the comedy tent is.

I was going to say comedy tent.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's where the most space seems to be.

Originally I think some of us thought it was going to be similar to like the Spear.

But Brad.

Just conceptually anyway.

Yeah.

Brad pretty much no.

It's a 360 audio.

I don't think it's got video and all that kind of.

But you will stand wherever you're standing and you will hear the music completely surrounding

you.

We don't know how big.

You know I mean is it a hundred people?

Five thousand people?

We don't know.

My first guess is with it being a brand new idea it's probably not going to be that great.

We're going to think it's going to be really cool and it's probably not.

Conceptually it'll be fine.

Surprise, surprise.

Brad hates it.

Come on it's a first time thing.

It's a first time thing.

Of course it's not going to be that great.

Oh my god.

Everything can't be great all the time guys.

It's got to be the best ever.

Literally the best ever.

Hey do you guys do a weekly check in about how Brian said Paul McCartney wasn't the greatest

show ever?

Do you just remind him of that every week?

Of how wrong he has been about so much.

Every week you could come back and say hey let's go through the Rolodex of the things

that Brian's gotten wrong.

You didn't think Paul McCartney.

You didn't even go to the show.

It was fine.

You didn't even go.

You didn't even go to the show.

I didn't go proper.

I mean I went but yes we do have some.

This was 12 years ago.

It's going to be a new segment on the show.

I will say I'm very happy that the lineup doesn't have a red hot chili peppers on it.

I'm really happy that they didn't try and force and cram in another Pearl Jam set or

an Eminem.

Somebody that we've just seen over and over and over.

I actually agree with you.

I agree with you very much.

I'm just looking.

What's the closest?

I can't even think of.

I mean Queens of Stone Age maybe.

But I'm still curious.

I'm pumped about Queens.

I am too.

Do you think that Dave Grohl shows up for that on his Dave Grohl PR reunion tour?

I've had enough of Dave.

Well you shouldn't because I think that I have this sneaking suspicion that something

Nirvana is happening.

I think they're going to be very excited because they keep popping up into high profile

moments.

Yeah and it sounds like shit every time they do it.

Like enough.

Nirvana overrated.

No no I'm the biggest Dave Nirvana 90's guy.

Dave Nirvana.

Dave Nirvana.

Dave Nirvana.

Lamar and that Rodrigo.

What do you mean I shouldn't I should care about Dave.

All I've done is cared about him my whole life.

Now I kind of don't.

What are you talking about?

Because I think that they're trying to set some I'm not saying you should care.

OK don't care.

I don't give a damn what you do.

But I think that there's something if you're not paying attention to this every time that

there is a big profile jam ability thing on TV Dave just happens to bring Novoselic and

Pat Smear out.

Right.

OK.

So this is an arcade fire Dave Grohl.

Kinda.

Come together Kumbaya.

I think what if they're setting up a Nirvana reunion like do six dates around the country

and they just get different singers and guitar players in each one of these shows and it

starts at Coachella with Post Malone.

It'll sell a lot of tickets.

I don't I don't have any information about this by the way.

It is something feels like this is a hell of a rumor.

No it's not a rumor.

I just like why why is this why is this happened.

Why is this happened multiple times in the course of three weeks.

They don't these things just don't happen by accident man like they they they plan these

things out.

That's right.

Anyway so I'm really intrigued about what they're trying to set up here.

Something feels like there's a Nirvana thing about to happen.

But you know to the original point of all this would because Dave's played with Queens

on at least one one record and a few tours.

So would he show up.

That'd be neat.

But you know I don't I don't know.

Yeah I just don't think that happens anymore.

And you know at Bonnaroo right.

There's just not that poppin anymore.

No not as much Billy Strings did with somebody the other day but other year.

But yeah not the other day post one time.

There was more last year than in the previous five.

Oh really.

Six or seven.

Yeah for sure.

Now everything everything the last several years even when you were still doing this

with us we ask you know is that planned what happened to those impromptu things.

And it was just sort of a it wasn't Bonnaroo.

It was the that's what they wanted.

Well you know when you have everyone holding a communicative box that can get you in front

of six million people in a blink of an eye and you sound like shit because you didn't

prepare and you didn't sound check and you have no idea what the song is.

You know that is it's a bad luck.

That's what we heard.

That's what we heard is we we we practiced we prepared.

This is the show.

We don't have time to you know do it.

No it's like it's sort of like it makes it even to the point of like Jack White the other

night.

You know I get to see him at Irving Plaza which is like 800 people.

And that day he comes out and he says you guys expecting four hour shows.

That's not it's actually not that good.

It's better when I do it tight and I played I play well and not for like endless amount

of time as much as we want it.

Yeah.

All right.

What else is going on with you guys.

How's that.

How's life.

Everything is I don't like Brian.

Don't don't don't.

I didn't mean that question to you.

How's life.

Don't get me started.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

First of all for taking some time before.

I don't mean to cut off the taco but thank you for taco.

What color hair is hers this time.

All right.

Pick and choose your flavor each and every day.

Yeah.

Barry has the fam.

Everybody's good.

Can't be going down to your mom's.

Oh your mom's joke.

Got it.

OK.

Wow.

I love Barry's.

Would next week.

Man ask your mother.

Ask your mother.

No Brad.

Barry down in St.

Barry.

We're going down there this week.

Barry pulled a your mom joke.

Wow.

This is the beginning of the show.

I'll clip that for you right now.

Well I miss you guys.

I'm so glad I got to connect.

I hope you guys have a great time and I know Barry.

The walls of the basement are getting tighter and tighter and tighter and you're never leaving

But if you do decide to leave before the Sun goes down god, I wish you'd come to New York sometime

I know tacos not going to because there are mountains and the bus won't get here but

Be a two-week drive. Yeah

I'm still eyeing that always this East Rutherford, please don't so I might be crashing on please. Oh, all right, do it

Did you finally get or is that is it fake?

What's that on your oh, I'm not supposed shit. I wasn't it's a secret. It's a secret

It's it's it's gonna be can never tell if this guy's getting real tattoos or just putting stick. Okay, so

So look the Hannah so look what what is the thing? I love the most in this world

Me oh god me yourself. Yeah, okay your hair. It's close. What's number two. I

love crawfish I

Love crawfish. I'm slipping

So I love crawfish and so my whole my whole point I got so I was hanging out with my buddy Mike and he goes

He's got all these stupid weird tattoos, right? Just just ridiculous nonsense, you know a glass of wine

Yeah, why do you get this anyway? So he gets this ridiculous tattoo and I said what he would take offense at that

Oh, I've said it to him before he we went to a Mets game together because we're big Mets guys and he's my Mets

Ticket guy so he looks at he walks up to me with short shorts on and I looked down at his leg

And he's gotten the type Dallas Cowboys

Tattooed on his leg and he did it just for that day just to annoy me because we would be sitting next to each other

And I'd have to stare at the words Dallas Cowboys on his leg

Literally just got a tattoo out of spite because he was hanging out with me anyway

So he gets he gets ridiculous tattoos

I look at it was like I don't love anything in this world enough to put it on my body

He goes that's not true. You love crawfish. I was like, oh my god

You got me and crawfish is never getting cancelled crawfish is never gonna disappoint me crawfish is never gonna put out a terrible album

so

What if I gotta so I started thinking about it. Okay, how do you eat crawfish Brian? You know show how you eat crawfish?

Twist and then boom do it eat it again eat it again

I

Pinch the hail pinch the tail. Yeah, suck the head and then oh

It sucked the head. I don't know what we're doing here, right?

So so the idea is to power play while I'm standing at a crawfish boil over the table and every time I eat a crawfish I

Power play and show my tattoo which is a crawfish. Oh my god

That's a power play I didn't know where this was going I didn't know this was a thing. Yeah, that's real

Huh? That's real. It is real my first ever and probably only ever. Yeah, sometimes

I don't understand how this relationship works trash me for everything

Trash me for everything in the world and then you show up with a crawfish tattoo. You got a bug Brian. You have a triangle

There are a bunch of triangles

Okay, yes, you're right you win buddy triangle

Angles mean a lot to you. They're very important to you. I know I know very big deal

Anything else you win Brad you win. I don't need a contest

But why what does it mean

It's got a pearl jam thing to it. Just stop. Mmm. Okay. All right pearl Jim got it

Anything else you don't want it. I don't you're right. I stopped listening

Well guys that was everything like I said

That I feared it would be it's great to have Brad back on feared and loads and everything else and yeah

That's always fun a lot of fun and I was glad to get his insights

Serious talk it's very hard for Brian and I especially to say anything nice about Brad, but

He knows what he's talking about

And I'm glad to get his insights on on acts to see yeah, I absolutely that's a hundred percent

accurate it is a

Difficult place to give him a lot of credit but except for in this especially in this in this setting

He certainly knows I wrote down that you know, I made I took notes. I wasn't joking Will Durado. Hey nothing Royal Otis

Just quick ones and then I had a couple little stars here and there that I'll forget what they mean, but yeah

I mean the arcade fire thing alone was an interesting we haven't really cuz that just came up this week

So we'll probably have to talk some more about that later. What a surprise

Interested to see you know, you brought it up taco the Santa parada

Yeah, nobody seems to know what that is and I guess that's by design we just talked about it

Yeah, correct parada is I looked it up as I did a Google nothing was coming up quickly

and maybe people know this I didn't Parada's Italian for pirate and

That's about as far as I guess

far as I got

So so we'll dive deeper into that

But and this is a long show so we're not gonna stay here much longer

but we wanted to play get rust to share a couple of

Question entries don't forget guys. We have two tickets

excuse me plus a camping pass that we're going to give away as well as a copy of

The Bonnaroo yearbook

My own I bought thank you you won't get berries you'll get

Because it's autographed to me person and then a print for my and Bonnaroo, right David Bruce print

And I mean you guys if you want to get it into it we're about to wrap this up we might do it tomorrow

Yeah, we're getting very very very very very close. That's not like a low ticket warning. Be sure to buy

No, we're actually gonna do this very soon. We want to do it

We are we partly because there's only one here

We're running out of questions, but also so that you guys whoever wins can you know make your plans?

So we understand that so we're gonna pick those soon

We have a guest and I'm always hesitant to announce ahead of time a

Show guest because things can happen

But we are gonna have somebody on from c3 coming up very soon to answer a lot of your questions that

We're seeing you know in all the socials about camping

And so the question this week is basically if you could if you have a question that you want to ask

Somebody from c3 about camping and I'm using that as a general umbrella term

Yeah, however, you know call it whatever you want RV tent. Whatever your question your accommodation setting

What are your questions on that which?

The way it's gotten pretty convoluted out there and I don't mean that in negative connotation those questions are certainly valid

Yeah, the since they've gone to the a la carte sort of way and then there's you know, still the questions

Can I bring propane can I bring a grill can I bring this and that?

And we're gonna get those answered. I can tell you for a fact the one thing we have learned from the very first is do

not bring glass

So

Anyway, yeah, we might you mentioned discord. We might do a you know, maybe the discord

Q&A session if you want to drop questions the what that CEO slash discord

Join us in there cuz Brad's in there and we might try to get some some questions lined up for next week

So if you want to be a part of that and then also yeah, go to the what duck the What Podcast comm

There's a link there. You can submit your questions for this week's contest entry

You can email you can fax you can leave us a voicemail

You can submit a video you can record yourself talking send it in so all that's on the website

We've got a lot of entries already. So thank you for that. Let's get a couple of them

Yeah, I'm gonna just jump real quick because I like the entries and man it always

Impresses me that people who listen are from literally all over the country. I think that's yeah, Iowa

Montana

You know Texas thank you guys thanks for listening it means a lot to us

and thanks for

You know responding

It always amazes me how broad the fan base is but also as I've said a thousand times how we all seem to have

Different but similar stories. So anyway, go ahead Ross

Which what are you gonna play?

Before we do that we got some major news to cover because we got the Bonnaroo after hours lineup

Released I want to talk about that for a minute

What do you guys think? I think it's terrific

It reminded me and I have to be honest I didn't intentionally

Not want to do the deep dive because I was smart enough to realize

That these you know, there were more schedules something would throw you off

I'm not that smart, but I'm glad we didn't

Because there's so much more to come so there's more coming. Yeah, we've got a who stage lineup. We've got an outeroo

Lineup coming, you know, there's a lot more to be announced. But yeah this after hours Thursday

You've got Dom dollar insane clown posse Joey Valance and Bray. That's the one that was recommended to us

That was like a Gen Z Beastie Boys

Yeah, so that's Thursday Friday glass animals tipper Megadeth of the trees

JPEG mafia and then Saturday justice and then that's where they announced that they threw in that arcade fire presents

Santa parada and then King gizzard, of course

Gorgon City and cranked at what do you guys think it cranked at?

Don't know the first thing about them

the only thing I'll say about this quickly is I haven't digested it completely like because I

To Barry's point. I'm still waiting for all the pieces to come out

I

Don't love all this stuff. I want to see being so late. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to be that guy

Like if it was one or two, I want to see glass animals tipper Meg and Megadeth

And that's all after midnight and the idea to see three acts after midnight at one night

And it's not because I can't I'm a I'm a I'm a super night owl guys

Like just because I I don't want to go do anything late doesn't mean I'm asleep

It's just you know for balance of the day late night can really throw off of the following day

but I mean, I'm not

Angry about any of it. I'd like to see Megadeth at eight o'clock. I just had to put it that way

That's what I'd rather see

Probably most Megadeth fans would agree at this point. I meant the fact that Dave Mustaine is 63

In case anybody Dave Mustaine lead singer Megadeth 63. Yeah, so yes, he probably also would like eight o'clock, but I mean it

Here's a it's it's

Impressive. Yeah, like it is really impressive to just hey, it's Tuesday

Here's some stuff and then we almost it feels like to me as a community. We didn't chew on it enough

It's just hey, did you see arcade fires gonna be there? Okay

I don't know if that's just because Boner is just we're just kind of conditioned to just always be excited and happy about well

I don't know, but I love it. I think it's really I think it's great

There are there there are fewer acts that I don't know anything about

Than the other I'm like everybody on Thursday. I want to see I don't know anything much about JPEG mafia or

Gordon City or cranked out but everybody else I want to see I

Even know of the trees because they played one of our local EDM festivals a few years ago in this JPEG mafia

I don't know the first thing about them, but I've seen the name all over

So like this is just a lot of times we get these like here's you know

I don't mean to crap on the who stage because I love the who stage but you get this and like I don't know

Any of that stuff is or here's this kind of throw-in thing?

And you know, I'm sure that's fine, but I don't know this is like a whole nother lineup

Exactly. No, I know a lot of it makes sense. I mean in ICP, of course, you want to see them late night

That may yeah, that's that that's like war late like that makes that love that that's that that gore type

Thing and then King is you know, we kind of figured they're gonna do at least one late night

Probably shows probably two

So yeah, we'll see but I it's it's it's a it's a testament to this festival to just throw something out there like that

And there's more coming moving right along, you know, I love it. Yeah. Yeah

Alright

Well, we can jump back to our contest here. I just wanted to mention that before we got out of here. Cool

I guess we'll start we got an email

And this is from Joe. I guess you guys saw this

This is uh, he said the question was what artists did you not know about but when you heard them at Bonnaroo

You became a new fan and he says he's only been to one so it was last year who that artist for him was Karungbun

He says we were at camp not alone during our dinner. Yeah

So pumped for what we heard really got excited when we heard they were from Houston

Even cooler, let's see that they just got nominated for a Grammy best new artist and then he included some pictures

Which we'll put up here. So sorry my girl chapel took that one there though guys

Yeah, it's all good. Well, go ahead. I'm honored to be nominated

I know you will rise but go ahead and link to our interview with Krugbill one of my favorite

Yes, we did have Krugbill on the show. Yeah, go back and check that out. So sweet

Loved hearing the story about you know playing Church League basketball and the guy

With the Paul McCartney reference, so look it up one of my favorites

Alright, well, let's play I've got another video here. This is somebody you probably are familiar with

This is Lena. She's sitting in another video. So here we go

Hello What Podcast. It's Lena again, and this is my friend and Mary

Yes, the prompt was perfect for us this week because I'm dragging Mary to Bonnaroo with me whether we go

Exactly, whether we go with the volunteer program or with these tickets, which is what we're hoping

But I know but I'm gonna drag Mary to the goose set with me because I've never seen a jam band at Bonnaroo

And I think it'd be really fun. What artists are you looking forward to seeing?

I mean, I'm looking forward to I want to see Don Dalla, but I don't know I'm down to go wherever Lena takes me

Yes, but we're broke occupational therapy students

And we will be volunteering but we're going to the farm regardless and I'll be super excited

If we can just explore and see everything that it has to offer this year because obviously the shifts are long

But it's gonna be fun. No matter what happened. No matter what. Yes. Thank you guys

All right. Well their attitude is good. Love it good attitude

That's gonna get you a long way good start for a long weekend is patience and good attitude, which something I have trouble with

Something Brian has of that's neither

Yeah, but I magically Broner who brings out the best in me guys

So when you see me at honor, you know, you're getting the best version of it. It's the happiest you'll ever see Brian

I thought it was interesting. They'd never seen a jam band at Bonnaroo

That's pretty good one to start with that's hard to do

Well goose is the place to start in this day and age of jam bands. That is for sure anything else

We got one more. This is a audio file sent to us from Gene

Hey guys, this is James calling from Grand Rapids, Michigan. I wanted to share a funny story

I've titled it the great brew shoe goo disaster of 23

It was my third brew and I'd been a lot of other festivals. So I learned that I

Need shoe insoles. They're an essential

So I had my one pair of idea sneakers and a few weeks before the fest. I bought some new insoles

I was wearing them at work and I was not enjoying it. They were not comfortable

They wouldn't stop sliding around like in my shoes

I actually bought another pair of insoles and I still had the same problem

So it seemed like it would get really annoying at the festival and I had this genius idea to somehow

Glue them or tape them to the inside of my shoes. I ended up getting

Gorilla glue branded duct tape and voila my problem was solved

So cut to the festival. Everything's going great. I'm getting more steps in than any Bonnaroo before

It's Friday and I'm at Chris's DJ set and I'm trying to meet up with a few of my friends

I find a chill spot and I kind of think to myself

You know, it might feel good to slip my shoes off and just let my feet be on the floor

I'm trying to figure out what to do. I'm trying to figure out what to do

I kind of think to myself, you know, it might feel good to slip my shoes off and just let my feet kind of breathe

So I do I dance around for a while and eventually I go to put them back on

And that is when I realized something is wrong

I grabbed a sneaker and immediately I noticed this black goo on my fingers

So I use my phone flashlight and I see that each sneaker is filled with the stickiest black goo like substance from the duct tape

It was sticking to everything and it looked like it looked like it was in the Venom movies or something

So I guess all my walking in the Tennessee heat had completely melted the tape and turned it into like tar

And I tried to rip out the insoles. I was just making everything worse and covering myself in this goo

And my bottle of hand sanitizer was not doing shit

So I just started walking planning to go back to camp and try to fix it there

But oh my god, I was not going to make it to camp

My feet were dying walking over the gravel and crap without any shoes

So that's how I find myself buying the most expensive pair of bamboo woven sandals in my life

They're the only shoes I could find in the center room

$80 and a somewhat less painful walk back to camp later

I was able to salvage my sneakers enough to wear them the rest of the weekend

I had to soak my hands in a ridiculous amount of hand sanitizer

And I got maybe 80% of the goo off

But I just had black goo all over my hands and arms and ankles for the rest of the festival

There's actually still some left on the fanny pack I was wearing to this day

So yeah, that was the great Rue shoe goo disaster of 23

Other than that, it was a great Bonnaroo, probably my favorite actually

So yeah, hope you enjoyed, see ya

Yeah, that gorilla goo is nothing to screw around with

No, so lesson there and we'll do a full show on do's and don'ts later

But take care of your feet is the worst thing there

Whatever you do, take care of your shoes

That's exactly what I thought about when I heard this

I thought, oh, this is like the fish song

Just got an email from Brad who just hung up

Yep, I was looking at it too

As soon as he hung up, he got news that Matt Penfield is responsive after his stroke

And looks like the headline says he'll be DJing once again, so good news

Yeah, and I've got other friends that are at least acquaintances with Matt Penfield

He's also a lifelong substance of alcohol mostly, but others abuser and in recovery

And his story of health is just very interesting as well

And the fact that he even knows what the show is, let alone likes it, is certainly cool

So I was definitely going there, thanks for bringing that up Barry

Yeah, so Matt, if you're able to listen and hear this, yay, yay, yay

We're pulling for you Ryan

Yeah, we love you and we'd love to have you on the show sometime

Oh my god, I watched you all the time on MTV back in the day

What was it, 120 minutes?

Yeah, he did a lot of different things, but he was definitely on 120 minutes for a few minutes, yeah

Alright guys, long, long episode

And we've got more to come

I put on our Discord our next month or so

We've got some cool guest line done

Yeah, we're having fun

So I'm very excited

Yes we do

So I'm excited about this one, hope you guys enjoyed it as much as I did

What else guys?

I think we've covered it all for one week

I think that's a lot, yeah, make sure you subscribe

I want to talk about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame eventually

It doesn't have to be, not today, we're done

But we need to discuss this from a what are we even doing here at Stand Point

We'll do that soon enough

It's the worst list I've ever seen

I'm not quite there, but we'll talk about it down the road soon

Alright, love you guys, thanks for listening, bye

Thanks for watching!