This week, Brad and Barry chat with Bonnaroo first-timer Devon Gilfillian, a very talented R&B singer who also happens to be hilarious. He talks about growing up as the son of a wedding singer and why he decided that the best way to follow his Grammy-nominated debut album was to pay homage to one of the most important albums of all time - "What's Going On" by Marvin Gaye.
We also talk about how you can win a pair of Bonnaroo tickets!
Guest: Devon Gilfillian
Consequence Podcast Network., Devon Gathillion this week. Full first timers, we did almost Monday last week, which I think that we need to start doing Barry a ranking of hair. If we could rank our guest hair, who would have the best hair of all time? Paul Janeway? He's in the running. Is he? Yeah. Everything about that man is in the running. I don't know if he's going to make the top five of guests with hair. He's in the conversation. Ball cap guy though. I mean, it's taco and it's Paul Janeway. You're very good guys in hats, guys that look good in hats. So today we talk part two of our festival first timers episode last week, almost Monday. If you didn't get a chance to listen back to that, the kids are on the precipice of possibly making it, right? They've got a shot, they've got a hit on the radio, they've got everything working for them, they look the part, they sound the part. Now it's just about actually getting the right song. And I don't want to get too out in front of us, but finding the right song is the hardest part for all of these artists. No matter who you are, getting that right song to hit, to sync, to cut through the noise is the hardest part. So in an effort to try and figure out how to find that right song, almost Monday's A&R guy is going to talk to us next week, Barry Courter. Pretty cool. Just yeah, everything about that was fun. I went back and listened and I was proud of us and you. If you remember, we all said, you know what? I used to hate these type of guys. The 16, 17 year olds that have the world by the tail and they do, but they're great kids. They were great. There was a lot of fun. They were great kids, but they're very good. And to have the A&R guy, I can't wait to talk to him to see what he's looking for. Yeah. And I'll explain what that show is going to be coming up in a little bit. But first, let's talk about our festival first timer guest this week, Devin Gaffillion. I love this man. I love this man. And we talked about it in the almost Monday episode, but I will repeat it. As a radio guy who gets pitched, having artists come by all the time, not in a pre-COVID world, of course, but having being pitched, having artists come by all the time, you get very tired of this. You have to pretend to care. It's uncomfortable. You got to eat crappy delivery pizza. It's just, it becomes too much work. Well, there was a day where my music director at the time said no to an artist named Justin Bieber when Bieber was 16. So I at that moment said, we will say no to no one ever again. Now that proved to be very laborious. We've said yes to way too many garbage, way too much garbage, one of which she's on a reality show right now. She'll remain nameless, but it was a disaster on every level and almost made me want to leave the industry. But we keep pushing forward. One of the guys that came by years after that decision was Devin Cofillion. And at the time, I just remember saying, this guy is so gregarious. He's so happy. He's just a bucket of energy. I don't know if he's got it, but he sure as hell wants to, I want to be his friend. I want to hang out with that guy. Who would have known that a few years later he would be nominated for a Grammy? First shot out of the cannon, the guy's got a Grammy nomination. I love this interview. I told you when we hung up that it's one of my favorites ever. And I mean that sincerely and I've done this a long, long, long time. He was just a lot of fun and the music is great. The fact that he goes out and tackles Marvin Gaye. We talk about that. That's a pretty bold. Yeah. That's a pretty bold reach right there. Let's go do more. What's going on? He could have covered Devo, but he chose Marvin. And duck these by the way. Yeah. So it's remarkable. So he puts out his first album and it's critically acclaimed. It gets Grammy nomination for his second album, you know, where most artists really fumble. And he talks about that fear that he had writing that second album. He decided to say, no, I'm not going to write a second album. I'm going to cover one of the most iconic albums of all time in a moment where it really, really matters. And he covered the entire Marvin Gaye What's Going On album. If you're starting to pay attention, he's getting a lot of attention for it. I mean, as soon as we hung up from that conversation, Barry, I turned on CNN, they were doing a story on him. You know, if you keep your eyes open a little bit, you're going to see this guy starting to pop up everywhere because this album is getting a lot of attention. Yeah. Let me tell you, one of my favorite interview quotes ever. I ask, and I don't remember who, and I wish I could cause I would give him credit cause it's brilliant. I asked about the sophomore jinx basically. It's the second album because what happens is you got a guy and he says he had his whole wife to write his first album. Right? What a great quote that is. But then the second one, you're on the road, you're touring, you know? And I mentioned that to whoever this person was and they said, yeah, nobody cares that your bus drivers had a bad day. It really is true. That's what becomes the sophomore album. It's all about life on the road, life on the road. Yeah. Nobody cares. I've got a friend, I got a friend of mine, a taco nose friend of ours too. Every time he hears somebody talking like that, he always goes, nobody cares. Little dramatic. Yeah, little dramatic. So it's so true though, because when you ran out of things to write about, what do you start writing about? Well, let me look around. Potted plants. Let me go with potted plants. I've been on this bus for 13 months. Yep. Every hotel looks the same. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. All right. So, uh, Devin Cofillion today on the What Podcast, uh, I really like this conversation. I think you're gonna like it too. Uh, but first, before we get into Devin Cofillion, I wanted to run through some, some headlines, some consequence headlines. So there was some announcements made in the past couple of weeks of music festivals that are at least in our wheelhouse. I have never been to Firefly, but I know people that have, and I have heard nothing but wonderful things about it. Um, they put out a lineup that very, I don't know if you know, but I work at a radio station. I run an alternative radio station and the state of alternative radio right now in 2021 is a bit tough. It is not at its peak performance. That is for sure. And it's a lot of artists that don't necessarily, we don't really know if they're going to be anything. And they're a lot of what I call faceless artists. Well, that is the Firefly lineup from top to bottom. I am more interested in if Firefly sells out than maybe any other festival in the country. They put out a lineup that is my station's playlist from top to bottom, you know, aside from, you know, the Lizzo's and, and, you know, uh, the Wiz Khalifa's of the world, but man, you go through there, they might play 40, they might have 45 artists that I play on that lineup. Will you get an accurate perception of what alternative radio is right now by the way that this thing sells in Dover, Delaware? I think so. I think that you're going to get a good idea as to if these artists really, I like cannons. Cannons had a number one single on the alternative charts. I don't know if anyone in America knows who cannons are. Barry, do you know cannons? That's an interesting question. Have you ever heard of cannons? No. Exactly. Number one single. Yeah. Number one single. This is what I'm saying. Like you go through some of this lineup, Barry, and tell me, tell me your first impressions. Uh, well, you got Billy Eilish on top, Killers, Tame Impala, Lizzo. By the way, the Killers on every lineup for the rest of mankind, for the rest of history. We've got Tame at Bonnaroo. I mean, that's pretty, and Lizzo, that's pretty strong. And you got Megan, this stallion, Cage, Roddy, Rich, Wiz Khalifa, Machine Gun Kelly. And then I'm just looking for names. I recognize Portugal, man, Sylvanas, glass animals. Well, this is where it gets really interesting for me because I haven't done the math, but there's gotta be 50. There's gotta be 50 artists on here that I play on my radio station. And um, I have played and interviewed Oliver tree. He's going to be at Bonnaroo. It's one thing to put Oliver tree on the Bonnaroo lineup because there's so much around him that's going to support it. But if your entire lineups full of Oliver tree, I don't know how this is going to work. I will say, although, um, I'm very interested in the Firefly lineup and I really want it to work for my own sake, my own professional sake and the format that I've, you know, put so much of my time and money and investment and, and, you know, self-worth into, I just don't see festival lineups other than hangout that are this targeted, that are this small of, of diversity. There is, there is one lane for this lineup and that's it. And I think I, and you probably know why based on the people that book it, they know how to super serve their audiences. The people that book it are the same people that came from hangout festival. And if you have been paying attention to the hangout festival lineup for years, what do you see over the last five, six, seven years? It has been super targeted to top 40 radio. Yep. Well, Firefly lineup is super targeted to rock and alternative radio. It's a really interesting question. Uh, the moon river festival announced this week as well. It's a boutique festival here in Chattanooga had the conversation with the co-founder drew Holcomb, uh, the other day about, but you can go back and listen to our conversation to roll. Do we have that up or is it so bad that we had to take it down? I don't remember if that was one of those that just got lost in the trash. He does seem like we had some sort of sound issues with that one, but he was great. Um, but, um, point being, you know, they had to cancel like everybody and rework their whole schedule. So my question to him was how easy was it putting it together and when did you start? And he said like seven weeks ago, seven weeks to put together a full lineup, a two day festival. Um, you know, so point being, do you just take who's available? I mean, how much can you actually curate at this point? What did he say to that? Uh, he said it was a bit of a scramble for sure, but it was fun. Is that why for a, for a Americana roots festival, they all of a sudden have Dr. Dog on the lineup? Yeah, you know, Dr. Dog actually does pretty well here in show. Yes, I know they do, but it doesn't fit with Wilco. Well, but it's that to your point, I mean, the, again, and I didn't ask him based on this, uh, firefly question that you're posing, but it's an interesting question. You, you know, at some point you, you gotta take best available. I would think, um, just to run through real quick, Wilco, Lord here on drew, uh, Lake street drive, old, old crow, Dr. Dog, Indigo girls, hippo campus, dolls, coin, shovels and rope, Yola. And then, Oh my God. Yeah. I mean, look, the, the star of that coming out of that weekend is going to be Yola. Um, just put, put every dime that you have on a Barry, but every diamond that you have that you're going to walk out of Chattanooga, Tennessee in love, praying at the feet, falling down around Yola. She is magic beyond imagination. Yeah. And there's a lot of others in the undercard that he mentioned that he's very excited about. I mean, obviously he's selling his event, but, uh, he put, he's put together pretty good lineups in the past. But your question is, and we talked about this eight, nine, 10 months ago, you know, how will they come out of this when everybody's trying to have a festival in September or in October? Yeah. Is that available or do you, you know, can you curate something? So I, I think it's a really good question to see how Firefly sells. That's a good question. Yeah. I mean, look, Bonnaroo sells out, uh, that these boutique festivals are going to sell out mainly because they're the original festival. They're there. Your regional spot where you can drive to pretty easily, get a hotel pretty easily, maybe drive back home pretty easily. The ones that blew me away, not only Bonnaroo selling out, but for a 180,000 cap music festival to sell out in Vegas is beyond comprehension to me, beyond comprehension. And it's, you know, in the middle of the summer. Um, Firefly is, is interesting to me for me personally. I don't know if it's interesting to anybody else. These boutique festivals though, I said this last week and the week before it is the era of the great festival lineup. We are in a world where you can look around and see a great lineup. I mean, we could make one, we can, we can make a great festival lineup on my porch and it would work. It would absolutely work. We are just in that era because of what Drew said, you know, you get, you just, you just throwing some stuff against the wall because people are available. Um, but with that being said, it's going to be hard for them to sell tickets. You know, I do worry that if it's going to, if, if the big ones sell out, it almost feels, well, that makes sense. This boutique festival in Chattanooga, the boutique festival in Iowa city, Iowa, do they get the runoff? Does it trickle down to them? Do or do they already have a built in audience? It's going to come back no matter what. Yeah. Don't put, let's don't put words in Drew's mouth or mine. That's not what he said. I would never put anything in your mouth, Barry. That's not what he said was that, you know, that's how this lineup was built. I've just raised the question and raised it to him. No, he's happy. He's very happy with this line. I'm happy. It's good. It's very good lineup. Uh, I'm, I just pose in the question for some of these festivals, does that become a, a problem, you know, cause they're all booked, but I guess part of what we're seeing, seeing, like you said, with, um, killers, killers, they've been dormant. For so long, not just them, but a lot of actually they want to play. And the other thing Drew said, which I did find interesting is typically the radius clause is a factor and pretty much everybody's playing nice. So you're going to see bands on multiple festivals where, or, or even venues like in, you know, near you that you wouldn't see in the past. What, where's Ali? Can we call Ali and ask her? Can we ask what she's seeing when it comes to, to booking and radius clauses? Look, I think that the festival line, I might be talking about sides of my mouth here and frankly I'm not thinking I am. I always do, but if, if the festival world, it may just be so insulated that there's no way things don't do well. The theater shows that I'm worried about, maybe I'm, I need to refine exactly what I'm trying to say. I don't necessarily worry too much about festivals. I am interested in what happens in, in Delaware with Firefly because of my own professional interest, but I'm worried more about the offspring coming to the Fillmore to be honest with you. I'm more worried about, you know, moon taxi coming to the Joy theater because when all of these shows start hitting and the reason why you're seeing so many of them announced now for, you know, six, eight months in the future is because they need your dollar now because they don't know if they're going to get your dollar in two months, which is why I am stunned as to what's happening with Lollapalooza. When I was told that they were going to announce the lineup a month ago, they were doing it because they were trying to get in front of everybody. Now they're not only going to be at the back end of everything, but they're going to have two months to make this thing work, two months to sell it out, to sell a hundred thousand tickets. The same, the city wants it. The city is dying for it. They're trying to move heaven and earth to make it happen. I have a feeling it'll do just fine, but the local venues around, I mean, how well will the Metro do in Chicago when the dollar has been stretched so unbelievably thin? You know, you get to November and December or frankly even October, you know, you've got people who have already milked their budget for, you know, this festival, another festival, three other shows. And I can see a hundred bands in a festival. Right. It is, it is. Yeah. I mean, I think that's maybe that's what I'm most worried about instead of, you know, festivals. I don't think, I don't think the festival world is hurting too bad. I mean, at the end of the day. It's a legitimate question. I mean, at the end of the day, let's be honest. I mean, AT&T solves a lot of problems, you know, a check from, you know, big corporate sponsor really goes a long way. You know, when, when PBR is now the sponsor of moon river, things get a little easier. You know, you can breathe. It's sort of like getting a stimulus check, you know, you get that stimulus check and the man like, okay, that helps. Doesn't solve all the problems, but it sure as hell helps. Yeah, you're right. You're right. It's the grants and all the other things that are coming in. So yeah. All right. We've got to, we've got some more consequence news coming up here in a second, but I want to get into the, um, to the Devon Gavillion chat. If you guys don't mind, you want to, you want to get into this? Let's do it. It's fine. Devon Gavillion on the what podcast, which bands this year that matter the show today festival first timers Devon Gavillion next on The What Podcast. There we go. Oh yes. What's going on, Brad? How you doing Barry? I know Barry, Barry and Russ disappeared. I can't see him anymore. You know what? That's going to make Barry very unhappy because he's in a hair war with me right now. Doesn't understand that. I'm killing it. I'm killing it. I'm killing it. I'm killing it. I'm killing it. I'm killing it. I'm killing it. I'm killing it today, man. He doesn't understand that the winner of the hair work. Ah, there it is. There we go. The guest keeps winning the hair war. Devon comes in with a Barry's definitely winning. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Brad. How dare you. It's strong. I'm so, I'm so happy to see you again. I'm so happy for you. I'm so happy for your success. I can't believe what the last year has been for you. Isn't it a little weird to find the most success in your career in maybe the worst possible year of life? Oh, absolutely. Am I okay? Can I, can I be happy for a second? No, I mean like it's weird because you know, as terrible as terrible as this year has been, you know, there has been so many beautiful things that that came out of it and necessary beautiful things, you know, like getting out of the abusive relationship with our president. That was pretty cool getting out of that. I don't know what you're talking about. This podcast is sponsored by QAnon. We don't know what you're talking about. I don't know about you guys, but I like quit watching the news pretty much and I don't watch, you know, why? Because you can breathe Barry. We can finally say we don't need to watch the news every day. We can finally say, oh, thank God this over that thing's over. Yeah, there's still important stuff happening, but I did not like every day. So yeah, I mean it is like the news. It really does feel like we can chill like we can watch the news every we can catch up on the news every other day. You know, like it as opposed to just getting yelled at and tweeted at. Rolling doesn't exist anymore. You know, the thing that I'm obsessed about with our president is no longer drinking bleach. It's man, he's a giant compared to the Carter family. And not, you know, I didn't know Biden was so huge. He must be like nine to 10 feet tall. It is it is damn near the funniest photo I've ever seen in my life. I am obsessed with this photo. Like when did the Carters live in like Lilliputian? When did they become Lilliputian? Even the teacups are teeny tiny. You know, poor Rosalind, her head is the size of Joe Biden's hand. It is the greatest photo I've ever seen. You know, I love I love Devin so much. And I would say this even if he wasn't a part of the show, I am so excited about his show. I'm so excited about him hitting the bottom line up. I love the fact that he's sort of like the show for Thursday for me. But I want to start, if you don't mind, Devin, for the people that don't know who you are. Yes. Can you just give me the ABC of what, who, why Devin is Devin? So yeah, ABC. Let's go. I love, you know, I'm a product of so many things, rhythm and blues, rock and roll, psychedelic rock, soul, folk, gospel. But you know, I would say my two North stars are Marvin Gaye and Jimi Hendrix. And you know, I want to, I want to tell the world the way that they did and do it in 2021. You know, and, and, and, you know, I, I'm from outside of Philly, born in a little small town in Morton, Pennsylvania, grew up playing music up, up, you know, just kind of like dilly dallying with some bands here and there. And my dad's a music, a wedding singer. So you know, he's, oh, yeah, yeah, he's, he's the one. He's the one that got me into it. You know, there it is. I was going to ask, yeah, there had to be a wedding. What a perfect, I mean, you're going to hear all kinds of stuff from a wedding singer, right? Oh man. He was, I remember watching my dad learn Nelly it's getting hot in here. Like when that came out and that was the goofiest, funniest thing I've ever seen to watch him watch him rap that I'm doing this for the white women. Was it cringe worthy kind of funny for you? I mean, oh, it was cringe. Oh, cringy cringe funny. Like it was, it was the most cringe worthy funny, but, but, but also, you know, he also was singing earth, wind and fire, Stevie wonder and Ray Charles and you know, all the Michael Jackson and, and you know, all those cats and the jet, like all those, you know, are Marvin and the temptations, all the Motown stuff. So that, that's all the soul I got it from, from pops from Nelson. So Lord taco and Barry know this well about me. But you know, if, if not for, you know, 60 soul, I don't know if I'm the person that I am. If not for Sil Johnson and Otis Redding and Otis clay, I'm not the person I am. But to me, the one that doesn't get any of the credit is the king of Philly soul, Mr. Solomon Burke and one of the greatest shows I've ever seen at Bonnaroo was one of the final shows that Solomon Burke ever had. I mean, it was one of these moments where I looked around and Devon, there might've been, I don't know, 85 people there. Nobody knew what Solomon Burke was and they didn't know what in the world was, was happening on stage. But when I think, when I think of you, I think of the king of Philly soul, Mr. Solomon Burke. So I'm glad that you rattled off all of the people that, that's what we're essentially the same person, I think is what I'm trying to say. You and I might be the same person. No, yeah. No, you're my brother from another mother. Come on. Yeah. How did they get, I'm sorry to interrupt, but how did you get from Philly to Nashville? How did that story come about? Well, you know, I was going to school for psychology actually in Westchester, Pennsylvania. And then I was like, nah, I don't want to be a therapist. It's not, that's not what I want to do. So I applied to programs in the AmeriCorps, which is kind of like the Peace Corps, but you work for a nonprofit that's based in the United States. You can go anywhere in the U S. So I chose, I applied to Nashville, New Orleans and Austin and got, got accepted to the program and you're telling me New Orleans, we missed you by this much. This much, man, this much. I would love to kick it around NOLA, but, but, you know, Nashville, I'm really glad that I got, I got, basically Nashville chose me, you know, in a way. And if it hadn't, I wouldn't be where I'm at right now. So it's crazy. I love the, the, I was going to go back to the Hendrix and Marvin Gaye because they're, I mean, I heard another band earlier this week, the, the, their three main influences were basically Hendrix and Marvin, Soul and Miles Davis. Wow. And I mean, right. I mean, if you, if you're going to go with three bases, that's pretty good mix right there. And that's going to make a nice gumbo right there. That's I'll tell you that. Anything. Yeah. He is really, really killing my New Orleans thing. Isn't it? It's driving that harder and harder, isn't it? Throw some, throw some Cajun spice on that one right there. You know, but no, I mean, Jimmy Marvin and miles, I mean, goodness Lord, that's yeah. You got it right. The whole Trinity. You're doing it again. The New Orleans funds just can't stop the Holy Trinity. It's a really, really hard at this point, go back a little bit and talk about this last year for you professionally. What's it been like, man? I mean, it's, it's been a roller coaster, but like I said, like we said earlier, you know, some beautiful things have come out of it. Like, you know, just rediscovering Marvin's what's going on record and getting the rerecord of that and get that like invite all my homies in Nashville and some homies from all around the U S to come and help me sing on that and raise money for this nonprofit equity, equity Alliance, which was awesome. They fight voter suppression here in Tennessee, which is, which is crazy. Tennessee is like 45th and voter voter turnout and registration. So it's like, what? That's that's work. There's only 52 states. What's going on here? 51, you know, like what? So it's, so I, I wanted to, I got to get more involved with, with politics in that way, which I really, you know, I love, I loved, I, I, I love learning so much about just, I don't know the whole process and also how much suppression is in this country. And I guess to probably, since you did it, the what's going on, you know, Marvin, we all know cause it's so smooth and so sexy, but he was, I mean, it's, it's sad. And isn't it in a way that that album still is every bit as powerful? It is sad, Barry. I really, it's funny. I was telling somebody earlier today, I was like, I wish this, this album wasn't so relevant. Right. I wish it wasn't, you know, every day. We see stuff in the news, black people getting killed by police and then police officers not getting held accountable. And, and, and then laws being, you know, just today, there was, I think 34 different laws being passed in, in, in States for voters, like just killing people with voter suppression. And I mean, they, they actually in Oklahoma, they made it legal to run over protesters. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's as long as you're 21, as long as you're, yeah, I know there, whatever the logic, it makes sense. I'm sure that I'm sure that it's not, it's, it's all a little, you know, it, it, it, it is, and it isn't what it is on what it looks like, but it is what it looks like. You know, if it smells like it, it tastes like it. It feels like it, it is probably racist. Devin, what you're doing though, what you're doing with the what's going on. I don't want to get too, too far down that path just yet, but, but what you're doing with that, what you're doing with, you know, what you're saying now, what you did with your first album, it's still therapy. Absolutely. You didn't want to go to school for therapy and to be a therapist, but that's essentially what you become and just translated into a different art form. Brad, absolutely. I mean, it's, and I, I wanted to study music therapy specifically, and I ended up, you know, doing, yeah, doing exactly that. And I, and I want to stay true to that as an artist too. Like I do believe, you know, having a platform, having a label behind me, having all these things is, it's a responsibility to, to use, to, to, to heal. Because that's what I think music, that's what music is here for. It's to heal people. Well, I mean, I think that's what the first album did. And by the way, the first album, I mean, uh, black hole rainbow, black hole rainbow, by the way. Um, I, I can't speak enough of, uh, but I don't need to. I mean, Barry, it's got a Grammy nomination. I mean, how do you, how do you come out of the gate doing that? You know, I'm, I'm so grateful I got to make that record, make that album the way that I did. I got to cook it up with Sean Everett, who's this crazy Canadian cat. He's a producer out in LA and, um, you know, we just swung microphones in front of amps and trying to recreate Leslie sounds and like throwing water on the ground and recording that, like just doing everything that we could to get the sounds that we wanted. And, and also your first album, it's your first album. You get to write it your whole life, you know, it's, which is really nice. But so, so like the songs were, you know, probably it's, I say half of them I wrote in like a year within the year or two of black hole rainbow, but most of them I wrote like probably four or five years before that. But yeah. So, so what we like to do a little bit here is to, um, get a little bit inside baseball. Uh, when you're talking about getting in the studio and, you know, whipping microphones around, who is there helping you doctor the songs? Is it a record label representative? Is it a music doctor or is it, or is a label or as a manager, has they given you complete freedom to say, you know what, see what you get. We'll see what happens with you kid. And then, well, not just freedom, but here's the, here's the money. Yeah. Usually the key. It's those two things, right? Here's the money to go play cause it's not cheap. So sorry to jump on, but it's a great question. No, it is a great question. And honestly, they, that they really let me do whatever I wanted to do. You know, they like my A and R for the, for black hole rainbow, Chris, uh, um, Chris, he was, he was amazing and, and, and he'd let, he really let me come in and he was hands off the label was really hands off and in, in, in the creative sense, you know, like I, I was in there with Sean and in my band and that was it. And in the studio that is, you know, so how protective are you of that space? Do you let pretty much anyone in or do you, uh, like it to be a very small circle that's creating and then in that very, very vulnerable spot, you know, it really depends on, on who like I typically keep it small, but like, I also love when I have friends that I know are creative and have crazy brains and you know, I love for them to be in the room and to just be, be a kind of like a meter, you know, kind of like see, see what they're feeling and see how they're reacting to the music. So, so yeah, sometimes I bring outside peeps in. So you, you, I mean, what you said about you have your whole life to write your first album is great. That's so great. So to sort of add on to the, this same conversation now that you've had success, I mean, we talked to Paul Janoway from St. Paul and the Broken Bones before there's sort of this, now somebody comes in, knocks on the door, you know, he's a consultant, he's a, he's a VP or whatever and he wants you to do, you know, old standards maybe, or you know what I mean? Well that was, that was the brilliant business move, you know, it fit the time, but now covering Marvin Gaye, brilliant second album idea, by the way, brilliant. Oh man, I mean, a little bit more time. Yeah, no, I definitely like covering that album. You know, I didn't even think like, it's, it's weird because I didn't think like, oh, like, I want to just cover Marvin Gaye's What's Going On for fun. You know, it was not fun. This was crazy. I mean, like that music is unbelievable. It's so, it's jazz, you know, like it's, it's like, it's, it's really complex. And, you know, I really, so like when I decided to cover it, it was like, I did it because it was a mission to, I wanted to get that message out again. And like, it killed me, like listening to it and being like, wow. Man, I didn't even think about like, yeah, I mean, I said it's hard because of the sociological impact of everything that this, but I didn't even think about as a musician, how hard that is. I didn't think about that part of it. Like how much preparation, how much work did it take for you to get it right? And with the pressure on top of you saying, oh, if I don't get this right, this is, this is a, this is a very, very brave thing you did. Thank you. Yeah, no. I mean, it, for me, I was, I definitely was like, no one's going to make a record. No one's going to recreate this album better than the original. So I'm just going to, I'm going to do my version of it. And I'm going to get people who are way, like way talented than I am too, to join me and, and recreate this album. Because yeah, I, there's no way I could have done it by myself. Well, how does, you know, like with all that being said, how does that translate live? You just did your first show in a year. I don't know. First off, I, however that feels, I can't even understand, but, but how does, how does some of that stuff translate live for you? It's gotta be, you know, speaking of which it can't be easy. It can't be easy. I mean, when we, when we did, we really, I only got to play what's going on live really once with, for this live stream that we did. And I mean, it was so powerful. It was so magical being on the stage with like 12 musicians and playing music live again, even though at that point when we did it, which was back in November, like December, I'm sorry, it was back in like October. At that point, you know, there weren't any audience, like we were on stage still playing with each other and that felt unbelievable. But as far as like two weeks ago, I got to, we got to play a gig in the Highlands in North Carolina and we were outside at this festival. Everybody was in their pods and you know, and their little, little things. And there were, people were going crazy. Like it was, and it was really, it was magic. It was, it was weird, a little weird. Cause you're like, you want people to come out of their pods, you know, but you, they can't, but like, it was still like, Oh my God, like I'm getting energy from people. Let me clear something up. You didn't have 11 people on stage with you at this festival, did you? Are you taking 12 people out on tour with you? Oh, no, no, no. Oh, this was two weeks ago. This was a, it's going to be broke. Oh, so broke. I really, I want, that is my dream for sure. To have like a 12 piece band, you know? But, but right now we're just, we're just four piece in it. Okay. All right. Cause that, that is the talk. This guy is the bravery is, is running up against insanity. I think 12 people on tour with you. What is it? What does the tour look like? What is the rest of the fall and the summer look like? If this is your first sort of go at it, what's the rest of the year going to be? You know, Brad, we were slowly, gigs are slowly trickling in and we got some festivals this summer. We got fluid fast in Virginia. We're doing, ah, forget this one festival that we're doing in Kentucky, but we're doing of course, Bonnaroo. Yeah. You're doing Bonnaroo. Railbird is the one, Railbird in Kentucky. We're not doing Railbird. I wish we were doing Railbird. All my homies are doing Railbird. Everybody. You know, but, um, but we got a couple other festivals and, uh, hopefully forward, hoping something comes through and, you know, we'll probably do some support in the fall is what we're thinking. What are you thinking about Bonnaroo? I mean, you're in Nashville. How much, what do you know about Bonnaroo? Well, I, I only, I've only been once. Really? I've only been once 2015 and that was Billy. Yeah. Yeah. Billy Joel, Kendrick played Earth, Wind and Fire. Great work. My Morning Jacket. Who else? Oh my, I got to see Reggie Watts. Yeah. That was amazing. That was so good. Um, all I know is that I'm hella, hella excited and very grateful that it's in September and not June because you know it's hot. Well, that's something we've talked about in the past. I actually. I hope you're so sure. With the global warming that can't be named, um, I actually think that Tennessee's hotter in September than it is in June these days. I think it's hotter in September. I think June is now the spring in Tennessee. Uh, you know, last year June 15th was like 62 degrees during the day. Do you remember that Barry? It was unbelievable. The weekend of Bonnaroo. Amazing. Best weather ever. I, you know, I actually do. Was that, are you talking about two years ago? Last year or the canceled year? Yeah. It, it, it, last year. Yeah, it was. I remember being, cause we were supposed to play it and I remember being in my backyard and being like, this would be so good. This weather. It was like kicking you, kicking in the crotch twice. Right? Yeah. So I'm, I'm glad. Yeah, go ahead. Sorry about that. I was going to say we were very excited to see your play on Thursday because that's become, every day is our favorite day, but Thursday has become probably one of our favorite days. What's our day of discovery? It's discovery day. Yes. And so, you know, everybody is so excited. They're pumped. Yeah. That's when you, you go find the act that you didn't, you know, you'd never heard of and they always are great. So we were really excited, not that we've not heard of you, but excited that you're on that day. Cause it's such a magical day. I'm, no, I, I, I actually am. Super excited. I'm sorry. Sorry. I'm like looking over my shoulder. Do you have a parrot? I just, I just got a, there was a, just a, oh, just a thunderstorm warning. Oh, is that right? Is that? Sometimes like, you know, there's like a little tornado warning like the other night and you never know in Nashville, you know? Yeah. Yeah. What's the, what's the group like in Nashville for you? What do you, who's your group? Do you have a good group of musician friends that, that, that are, are on the precipice? Who's driving you that way? You know, I have a, I have a, I'm lucky. I got like a squad here in Nashville. There's I get to hang out with Jake, my buddy Jake from a literate light. Have you heard of it? I know literate light. Yes. They're they're they've been through my radio station in Chattanooga back in the day when I lived in Chattanooga. A literate light came through the thing and they hung out in our parking lot for about half an hour and they're like, so what do we do now? I said, uh, I drink. So in these moments when I questioned myself, I started drinking. I just, I just started drinking. Poor literate light. Yeah. Jake and Jeff, Jeff's in Virginia, of course. Oh, I forgot to interrupt. We've had them on the show. Barry, we had them on the show. Really? I forgot about that. Oh, man. I forgot about that. Oh, I'm an idiot. Oh, hey, listen, I, I have my brain just farts. My brain farts every if I could smell my brain farts, I'd be a very like roses. Stinky life. You know, do you know, do you know our guys, Kristen and Jared from Repeat Repeat, the theme song writing for the what podcast Repeat Repeat? No, ma'am. We need to connect you. We need to connect you with Jared and Kristen. So you need to get them because you're closer to them than I am at this point. But they hate horns. I need you to get them in love with horns. For some reason. You know, you can do it. Oh man. Budo's band. Who else? Who else is just like, I just love, I mean, who hates horns, man? I know. I know. Come on. I get like, you know, like I get it. Like when people always say, get a horn, get a horn section, get a horn. You know, they yell at me and I'm like, man, like I want it to be different. I want it to be like, not just like a, you know, you throw the sriracha on everything, you know? Sure. Which is why I want to learn how to play the cornet. Nobody plays the cornet anymore. I'm just playing the scenic time. Has one note, you know, it's just like, sounds like a duck call, but I want to learn it. Like the recorder, the cornet and the recorder. It'll come in handy. It will. I think so. I think so. What else, Barry? What do you got? I love it, man. I can't wait to see you. I'm so looking forward to it. Who are you looking forward to seeing? Are you going to hang around? I mean, you're in Nashville, so I assume you're going to be around. Barry, I'm getting, I am getting a camper in every, I'm doing it. Are you really? Like, I'm getting it. Would you like to stay at Camp Nut Butter? We have, we have available space at Camp Nut Butter. You can stay in Taco's bus. Hey, hey, hey, listen, as long as, as long as I get my own little bunk, I'm good to go, man. Hey. You do. I'm, he crawls in. Hey. Somewhere in the middle of the night. As long as I'm little spoon, I like to feel the arms like around me. You know, you have found your match. You have found your match. Oh yeah. I want to, I mean, Liz up Lizzo, I got to see Lizzo. And I mean, Tame Impala is, is definitely on my, on my top. You seem, not only do you seem like somebody who cares about the history of all this, but you care about what is happening in of the moment. Who are you listening to right now? Who do you like? Right now I am listening to Steve Lacey, Thundercat, Nick Hakeem, Callie Ooshas. I love that Callie Ooshas album. Yeah. I love that song so much. Oh, yeah. She's, she's on fire. Who else? I've been listening to a lot of Kendrick Lamar. Never heard of him. Yeah. He's, he's this new cat on the block. Well, I will, I will say that the year of 2015, I don't, I haven't told the story in a while, but I'll go ahead and tell you the Billy Joel Kendrick Lamar year. So right before Billy Joel is a, this is the class, this is my Billy Joel story. So right before Billy Joel in the What Stage of Bonnaroo was one of my favorite bands of all time, Spoon. I love Spoon with all my heart. So we're standing on stage for Spoon and to get off the stage in the back, there's this long ramp that takes you all the way down to the artist group area or whatever. And so all of us are leaving the stage and one person from afar is coming up the stairwell and I think it's closer and closer and closer and closer. And who is it? It's Billy Joel. It's Billy Joel. And nobody, not one person has stopped this guy as he's coming up the stairwell. Not one person, you'd think if it's Billy Joel, somebody would have stopped and said, oh my God, there's Billy Joel. Everybody, not one person. So I had to be the guy. I had to be the guy that stopped the channel man and said, hello. So I, this is my moment, right? This is my moment. I get to stop and talk to Billy Joel. Oh man. Just to jump in, let's make sure we understand this is a guy who makes a living talking. Trying to pull content out of my rear is my life. Yes. So I, I reach my hand out and I say, Billy Joel. And he looks at me, grabs my hand as if he's been waiting for this entire time for somebody to grab my, his hand and shake it like realize it's Billy Joel. He grabs my hand with authority, looks at me and I go, great work. Let's go ahead and says, thanks. That walks away. Every time Billy Joel does an interview, somebody says, what are the great moments that you remember in your career? There was this guy behind the what stage. These hothead kids at Bonnaroo. They don't appreciate art. They don't care about me. I'm the piano man. And all this jerk can say is good work. Oh man. I blew it. Sometimes you just can't, you just, there's some people who I, I don't even know what to say. You know, I don't even. Devin, it was one of those moments where I realized I don't have anything to say to Billy Joel. Yeah. I don't have anything to say to him. I got to interview Brian Wilson a couple of years ago. I called my brothers. You were huge fans because I, I said, I need help because I'm going to go Chris Farley. I'm going to be so you were in the beach boys. That was not the moment I had Billy Joel. I just realized I just don't have, I don't care. Yeah. And that's honest. Yo, that's so honest. Like I was at a, I was at Capitol Congress in LA at this, this party at Capitol and, and Beck was like right, like 10 feet away chatting with somebody. And I was like, I wanted to go over to him and I was just like, but I was like, I don't have a damn thing to say to back right now. Hey loser baby. Am I right? You never heard that. Hey, that's pro. E pro. Right. Step into my Hyundai. Am I right? What do you say? Scientology. I mean, oh shoot. I didn't mean to say that. I didn't bring that up. It really is a good point. I'm paralyzed the fear. Now if Beck ever came into my life, cause I love Beck, that is one of the most fun shows you could ever see, but I have no earthly clue. What the hell I talk back about. Not one. I would definitely talk about Scientology. I would absolutely be like, so, but Scientology, tell me about it. All about it. Everything. Why? Never get out of his. The cheese dip is pretty good. Aliens, aliens, but I will say though, it is, it is remarkable to like talk to Beck and think that whatever I'm saying to him right now might make a song in the future. Like whatever I say, he could put into a lyric that's going to make no sense whatsoever, but I'm going to be in a Beck song at some point. That's why you got to just say the craziest things when you see Beck. You know, man, I'm so, I'm so happy for you. I love, I love the album. I love the cover album. I think that you got the world, the world in front of you. And if I can push anybody to a show on Thursday, it's Devon's. And I hope that when Bonnaroo comes, you come back to Camp Nut Butter and hang out and chat with us at Lord Taco's bus. I'm coming. Yeah. Coming for the spoon. I'm coming for the whole, I want, I want a four spoons on a whole spoon session, man. This has become a much better podcast. This has gotten a very weird podcast. We can spoon you if you're vaccinated. Oh, I got the double Pfizer in me. Come on. You know, we too. I got the fake. We only have one real rule, uh, Devon at Bonnaroo and that's no touching. So we're going to have to, yeah, we don't touch. But no. Yeah. Well, I get that. I get that. Okay. It's Sunday. Yeah. So we do have, we do have one rule. I tell anybody, uh, no sex. Don't have sex at Bonnaroo. It's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, anyway, so what does it matter? But here's the best news. Baxed waxed and ready to be a snack. So you are that Oh snap head on my shots Oh God And we'll have a moonshine too. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'll bring the guacamole. How about that? You know, we don't have a Barry brings the pimento cheese Barry does the wife make guacamole too who brings the guac I think Devon's bringing it. All right, you got the clock and I guess great Devon thank you so much for taking your time out for us and and we'll see you Labor Day weekend I can't wait. We'll see you then and I can't wait Brad Berry taco. I will see y'all and thank you so much All right. Thank you. Yeah anytime. Thank you Devon Gaffillion on the what podcast which fans this year that matter Lord taco very quarter Brad Steiner Before we get into the news about Foo Fighters in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame There is a headline at consequences website about an old game show that I love to talk about here in a second But before that let's talk about the giveaway That's happening right now for Bonnaroo tickets Bonnaroo is completely sold out and guess who is getting you tickets to camp with Barry Courter these guys. Yeah, are they gonna be right into your tent? Barry? Are they gonna be with you? We're gonna have to have some filters. We'll figure that out That filter here is that filter be a security guard at the witch stage keeping Maybe I have to find out if they can preach or not. I Don't know what you're talking about. We haven't talked about that yet. Okay that so Let's let's go through how we're gonna get to that It's let's uh, let's go through how you can win Bonnaroo tickets Loretta co has crafted a fine fine contest for you the what podcast listener You're gonna follow the what podcast on Twitter the what underscore podcast tells you he was the best podcast on Instagram and Make a tweet or or make an Instagram make both double your chances Uh tweet us tell us why you want to go to Bonnaroo share a memory about Bonnaroo share a picture Maybe of your campsite one year Photoshop us into your campsite if you want to now that now you're talking you can get very creative with this Photoshop Barry's tan onto my face. I was thinking my hair on your head. Oh man Oh, wow. Okay. I would hurt if you really want if yeah, if you really want bonus points, but Hashtag it the what podcast so that we can find it and that's all you got to do that Then you're entered will pick somebody really you have tickets away, too And make sure you're following it so that we can DM you if you win so that we can get you on the show or you Know get your info. Yeah, it look rate review share Splice cut Murder whatever the words are that the kids are using do those things and it's just gonna help your chances to win To count them two passes to Bonnaroo with a camping pass as well And along the way, you know what, you know, actually I'm gonna make an executive decision We will throw in what podcast gear won't we love it? Okay There's gonna include the whole box What size shirt you wear here's all of them how many koozies do you need Clear out this basement. Can you get that garage cleared out? Not only gonna give a wet podcast material you're gonna give them an old bandsaw Good housekeeping magazines an old washer and dryer you've been trying to get rid of yes You're gonna win all the things in Barry Courters garage. It's very exciting for you. So Yes box of stuff follow the what podcast the what underscore podcast on Twitter I can never remember the Instagram is just the what podcast Instagram, right? Okay, follow those two things Hashtag the what podcast Instagram and Twitter make a picture make a make a tweet Whatever it needs to be to get our attention and we'll pick a winner here now probably two weeks or so, right? Yeah soon so they can make their plan. All right. We've got a ton of show left So we talk about the who fighters gonna talk about some other things Including my favorite childhood game show next on the what podcast think tight Festival first timers part two starring Devin Gaffillian. I I hope that if you do anything other than listen to the show and then rate review and tell all your friends and then Subscribe and then follow us on Instagram and Twitter after you've done those simple things I really do hope that you spend some time with Devin. I I I have a theory Barry. I Try to tell nobody You know how people walk up to you and they're saying you gotta watch this show. This show is so funny It is the funniest show. What do you like about it? It's just great You know people do that music too, right? I love I love Cardi B. Why do you love her just love her? You got a little different? Why don't you listen to her? You just got to just go listen to her. I hate doing that to people I don't want to ever be the person that's giving you something that you may not like, you know I am never gonna invite you to my house. You're never gonna come over for dinner I just don't have any faith that I'm gonna give you something that you like Yeah, which is sort of the you know start of this show to be honest with you if you remember But I don't so I say this with I say this with all reverence, please give him some time Give that album a try. I love it so much. I love him so much and even if you don't like the the the Music him as a person is just so phenomenal on every level He's the kind of people that I want to root for. Yeah in this industry just want to be around. Yes He's absolutely yes his story about his dad being a wedding singer. That's a new one That was funny never thought about that because we all have those cringe-worthy moments with our parents No matter how cool they are good. They are His dad trying to learn a song It's just it's just funny we can all relate to that. I mean, he's cool I will say this I will say this have you ever um, you know when you were You know, you're courting a lady Barry Courter, you know, and you're you're looking for you dating around and you think you found the one And you're trying to figure out when is an appropriate time to text her after the first date You know, it really went well, you think it really went well and you you know, maybe I need to wait a day No, no, I'm just gonna text her tonight. I'm gonna text her tonight. I'm so excited. I was like that. I Had that conversation with myself after the deaf interview. I had to talk to myself talk to myself I was like, well, can I text him now or? Should I wait till them I'll just do it now So yeah, I texted him that night and I felt like a total fool. Yeah, did he write back say who is this? I mean it was um, I had to send him my bitmoji To get him to remember who I was But no, I feel I feel like we've got it. We're gonna be pals. We're gonna be dudes. Yeah. Yeah You know, I feel that way about Warren treaty. I feel like we connected so much that I want to write to them all the time Yeah, why don't you? Well, I have and we've talked and they but it's it's one of those Repeat repeats the rare exception where we actually be have become very good friends I'm treating is I love Warren treaty, but I just don't know if we have much in common I feel like I do with them. I love you. Oh, yeah. I mean they're preaching a lot Well, you were you wanted to be a preacher You know, so you got that That is a story for a completely different show you got that in common I had wanted to go to preaching camp I did not want to go to preaching camp I went to preacher camp and I won a competition to be a preacher and I realized now I'm not gonna get to this Whatever I don't know there's a preacher camp. What do you do with preacher camp you preach? I Don't remember what it was guys, okay, it was it was like it was like 4h for Like Baptists, right? It's like for a church folk and at the time look I'm trying to be I'll be very honest here I am NOT a religious man but at the time I really loved going to church because Really really really pretty girls went to church and I was hitting on very very pretty girls And I had an automatic in at school when I saw them the next day. We knew each other from What does it call not Sunday school the youth youth youth group? Yeah from youth group. So I had an automatic in Well, what would be like the rock star in our world now? Who's the rock star of youth group? It's the it's the preacher You three either the rock star or not. Yeah So I entered into this competition to be like win a preaching competition and I thought that would get me some girls, you know I took an unorthodox way around. No, you're not alone, but it's just funny. I'm pretty sure that's not on the brochure Come to preacher camp to pick up not something I put on the resume. So I I go there I've whipped up this thing. All right, and if you guys know anything about me I do a radio show for 21 years that is full of what taco fart jokes fart jokes got it So I have been doing the same bit for 20 some odd years well, I Guess I I started it all and learned it all from preacher camp You can whip up any show and make people feel good about it You know, if you got the right sort of recipe watch the movie leap of faith. That's what I got I I literally took whatever the guy was doing a leap of faith and that's what I did at preacher camp and I whipped up Something that made a couple of pass. I don't know. It was so sacrilegious what I did So I get on the stage and I'm whipping them into a frenzy It's all hootin howlin and like Barry would say and I win The girls didn't come after that. That was not the recipe I'm shocked that didn't work He's too religious I was just coming here for the meat You're like you guys that's a preacher I Thought that these kids would be cool now they want to talk about Jesus He'd be a real drag on a date. Yeah, what a boring party don't ever invite him He's gonna talk about the Super Bowl of God So which by the way was the name of the thing that I whipped up. So I I Can we have a preacher camp at camp nut butter this year that sounds fun Mike Mike doer wins every year. So Ridiculously wrote long stupid story short. The point is is that afterwards it didn't get me girls It didn't get me anything that I that I set it out to be I won some sort of medal but what I did realize is the power that Bullshitting gets you and I'm not kidding about this I have I have if there's one thing that has tied my entire career together It was that moment at 15 years old winning a preacher competition Based on a whole load of bullshit that I then weaved for the rest of my career And what do I do to this day taco on the air? Still still doing the bullshit. Don't bullshit. Yeah. Yeah, so there you go. There you guys go Well, let's bring it up there the Warren treaty don't have that I Love them. I don't think we're in city with the future camp. I'm pretty sure they don't consider me a friend, but whatever Yes, welcome to preacher camp, this is the what podcast I want to be around Devon. I hope we get to meet at Vonderroo. I think that was the point. Yes. I'm sorry to take that into a Be as the point is I just like to hang out with Devon. I think I think for listeners They have a much better understanding of Brad Steiner right now. I Think you this whole time all time I feel like I Look, I don't think I hide much when it comes to my professional life Look, I don't think I hide much when it comes to my professional career I'm pretty I'm pretty wide open when it comes to these kind of things. Yeah, you know, I Don't think I hide anything from you guys. This is what you get You get leap of faith Steve Martin whispering lies and pupils here the final thing that I wanted to get to I actually there's two more things I want to get to I like So we'll make this quick one Boner who headliner foo fighters nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Barry Courter. I Didn't know the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was still a thing You know You know my feelings on lists as a as a newspaper guy. I have a love-hate relationship with them I read them. They make me mad Like everybody else unless it's somebody I like so I mean that's why we do it and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame There's people in there. There shouldn't be Two fighters belong I'm looking at the list Mary J. Blige Kate Bush Devo Absolutely. I love Devo go-go's Okay, Iron Maiden Daisy yes, look it's gotten to the point where if you've had a hit you're in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame And it's the same reason why I hate the Hall of Fame and anything they've watered it down to if you showed up You get in a little differently because they have a they have a very high standard Richard What preacher camp you win? I could I mean I have a problem with baseball Hall of Fame because nobody they won't do Unanimous and all I mean that there's that political too, but I agree you should have to earn it I mean Tina Turner's on this list. She should have been in a long time ago Todd Grin Grin we can argue New York Dolls certainly Game-changing in their own way LL Cool J. Carole King Absolutely is LL Cool J in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as well. There's no other Yes the qualification there is there are people who have gotten into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame But they've done more than just make panties drop And LL Cool J has done nothing more than that anyway Okay, so the point is yeah, it's a discuss. It's the reason they do it is because just like this we're talking about it That's why well Foo Fighters are in it. You know I still I'll say this will probably do a Foo Fighters episode One day because there's so much to sort of unpack with them, but I will say it again I've said it before Dave Grohl is the best ambassador for rock music that we have left He's the best one. He's insanely fun. He's insanely open with his time Everybody loves him. He's he tries to bring everybody into the to the operation There's just nothing bad about him and even if you don't like the music don't like the music But he is the best ambassador for rock music that we have period And I don't know I don't know if anybody else moves the needle like he does. He's the Tiger Woods of rock music I agree totally and then finally the last headline from consequence that I saw today taco and this is really for you Legends of the Hidden Temple will get an adult reality show yes, I am obsessed with this idea Mainly because first off you were a legend the Hidden Temple kid weren't you a Nickelodeon? Yeah, I mean that was right along with like finders keepers and double dare Yeah, okay now we're talking all right so that's the same things of all the things that you could create an adult reality show over right of all of the 90s Nickelodeon game shows that you had that you could create an adult reality why legends of the Hidden Temple It was so much else to work with the whole exactly the whole show was built on you finally get into the temple a kid runs Around and then somebody runs outside of the door and scares the kid That's it. That was the whole bit. Why not do adult double dare? Why not do adult finders keepers finders keepers is my favorite show as a kid because that house was so Fantastic and you got to trash it what everybody wants to do yes even as an adult Do you know how badly I'd love to trash this house right now? I Would love to do that I wouldn't recommend it What we had to have to be the one that cleans up no one else here does Why is it that that's got to be the show of all the shows you know? So I had this argument with a friend of mine all the time If I'm gonna watch an old Nickelodeon show I'm watching the best old Nickelodeon show which of course is Hey, dude Don't give me the adventures of Pete and Pete how dare you look at me and give me the adventures of Pete and Pete or So look like a repeat Pete yeah, I know it But but why not go for like double dare double dare is the game that we're all used to Game that would forget supermarket sweep give me double dare Yeah, if you're gonna remake one show why is it double dare Barry my dad? One time promised me he was going to build me a double dare course in our backyard Because I so badly wanted to slide through the big giant lips into a pool of green slime and grab a flag Do you think that he built that for me no never happened? Yeah, that's why they didn't have they didn't have that a preacher camp either No, this is why I am the way that I am guys I didn't get made a lot of promises. It was either the green slime or the big lips He was struggling with on how to do like that Always sounds like a good promise until the reality it's how am I gonna make these giant lips? My bet is that he made the lips. He just never shared him with me Hang a bed sheet and you just pretend they're big it doesn't work All right next week, I'm really excited about this almost Monday's an hour guys So what is an hour an hour? We'll talk about this in depth next week, but an hour is artists and and Exactly. It's the hardest question in the industry to answer repertoire repertoire Exactly. What does an an hour guy do who is who are these an hour guys? And our guys find the bands that you listen to and then craft their entire career and are the ones that curate Everything about that career. All right, one of which Mike Daly from Hollywood Records is our guest next week on the what podcast Really excited about this if you like the booking episode you like the booking agent episode You're going to love a conversation with an a and our guy It's something I've been dying to do for my entire career I had one one night with the the head of an hour for Interscope Records It was a game changer. I'm excited about this next week. That's Laura taco. That's Barry Courter Brad Steiner talk to you next week a preacher camp with what podcast love you Oh Oh Oh Oh