The What Podcast: Fake Or Festival?
Brad, Barry and Lord Taco have a little fun on this week's episode
Keeping up with which festivals are happening and which are being canceled or postponed can be difficult enough, but Brad, Barry and Lord Taco have a little fun on The What Podcast playing Fake or Festival, a game that asks which is real and which is made up.
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The What Podcast: Fake Or Festival?
The What podcast, which bands this year that matter. Welcome in. It's Lord Taco. It's Barry Courter.
Brad Steiner on a action packed festival weekend. Barry Courter. I'm very excited this week
because I get to go through my Bonnarooo picks. I get to share the bands. I want to see a
Bonnarooo. Very, very excited. Yeah. We put the whole didn't we? Yeah. Long time. No chatty
chat guys. How's everything? How's everyone been a couple of weeks? Been good. I've been
good. And yeah, let's go. I want to recap. I had the good fortune to talk to Sylvan Esso.
Well, that's what I wanted to talk about. Tell me all about it. I am heartbroken, crestfallen
that I did not get to be a part of that because I love them so much. Yeah, it was great. They
were very cool. I was thought it was really great. We got both of them. Sometimes we just
get one member of a band and you got Sylvan and so we got so big. So thankfully I didn't
ask which was which. No, we had Amelia and Nick. They were great. Yeah. Barry will never,
never live down his interview with Tony, Tony, Tony. I was trying to figure out which one
is Tony and with an eye on me and yeah, all hell broke loose. I what were the big takeaways
from a chat with Sylvan Esso, the headliner for the super jam? Anything new? Anything
that that came up from note? Just what how they were going to do it. They were going
to kind of she wanted to have the the acts do sort of their favorite wedding songs, which
I thought was kind of funny. Favorite wedding songs, huh? Yeah, I don't know. Maybe not
wedding song, but the song you would sing at karaoke at a wedding reception. Yeah. OK.
Oh, man, because who doesn't love a wedding receptions? Yeah. Be karaoke. Yeah, it was
good. What a theme. I know. Well, what what was what was her pick if she had, you know,
the quintessential wedding song? I don't think we ever ever got that. I don't think she revealed
what hers was. And we also didn't. And it's my fault. I didn't think of it until after
we didn't really ask who who all the players were going to be. I'm not sure they were going
to tell us there were some things they were going to keep kind of to themselves in case
it happens again. Well, that would have been another question. Will they be back for twenty
twenty two? Don't know. They were a little ambivalent about it. They said, yeah, I mean,
we'll we'll pick up the phone if they call. But they weren't like, we'll pick up the phone
if they call. Yeah, they'll answer. They'll take the call. They'll take the call. But
they'd been planning this for a couple of years. That was also interesting. Well, I
got to imagine if I went back through some of their sets with the bandwidth that their
project they've been doing, you could probably, you know, garner some sort of set list out
of them. And then I wonder how much of that would have carried through to the super jam.
Well, they did do a show that weekend, right? Didn't they, Russ? And had some of the band
members saying it was kind of a little bit of they had a little bit of an impromptu super
jam. Yeah. And what they were going to do. So, OK. I also the other one that I missed
was Krugman. I was very upset about that because if I'm not mistaken, I'll have to go back
and check. But I mean, shows are getting canceled left and right in New Orleans. But Krugman's
coming to town. So I I was really upset about that because, you know, I wanted to, you know,
become best friends before they got to town so I could take them to a snake and Jake,
which, by the way, I went to Snake and Jake's for the first time ever, guys. This place.
Oh, my God. Absolutely magic. I am in love with Snake and Jake's. Maybe one of my favorite
dive bars in the city. Nice. Why? Tell us about it. Well, there's OK. First, you know,
I am on a tour of dive bars in the city. The city is is crawling with them. You can't go
two blocks without finding a great neighborhood dive. And, you know, Taco knows me. I love
dive bars. It's my favorite thing in the world. We've got maybe the greatest bar I've ever
been to in my neighborhood. So me and my buddy Howie, who runs the Howling Wolf, every Saturday
we go on a dive bar tour. We do three, four a day. And we hopped into Snake and Jake's.
Now Snake and Jake's lives in lore because if you sit naked at the bar, you can get a
free beer. Oh, hang on. That's yeah. Hang on a second.
Lord knows Taco needs to save two dollars for a beer. But we we walk in. Nobody is naked.
But we walked in because it was so early. Also, the other thing is you're supposed to get
there at three o'clock in the morning. It's one of those places that's so dimly lit that
you walk out and all of a sudden it's eight o'clock in the morning and you had no idea.
So we get there really early at seven o'clock and there's nobody there, which is incredible.
There's two dogs that join and say hello to us. They're so cute. We talked to the guides
running the place named Juan and we get to basically just own the place. So there's nobody
else there. We take a little stroll through the backyard. The backyard is incredible.
I mean, there's beautiful banana leaves. It doesn't. It looks like the most manicured
backyard that you could ever find for a dive bar inside. It's totally pitch black. And
Barry, you can say goodbye to your love of hams because I've got a beer for you, my friend.
Don't tell Lord Taco, but Schlitz is good. Oh, this is damn good. They got slits for
two dollars and it was tasty. I didn't realize I've never had a Schlitz before in my life
and I liked it. I don't I don't know who you are or what you've done with Brad. It takes
two weeks off and all the hell. I've had slits. My dad was a slits drinker. My dad was a beer
drinker. If you like Schlitz, you'll love PBR. Yeah, I've heard everyone's talking about
it. Next. Next, you're going to tell me you're a blatz guy. You know what? If they had blatz,
I'll give it a try. I'll give blatz a try. But I thought this let's had a really nice,
you know, there is a pepper on the nose and really some really hot characteristics when
you first hit the palate. I just really like I enjoyed it the hell out of it. And we were
out of there and eight bucks. It's a good hot afternoon after mowing grass or around
a golf beer. I'll give you that also not available in Tennessee. I've never seen a Schlitz there.
I used to get it. I haven't looked. It's not something I go looking for to be with you.
Anyway, for those who don't know, and honestly, a lot of people in New Orleans don't even
know this, but Snake and Jake's live in lives in lore for the Bonnarooo community because
you know, since day one, there's been a giant barn in the middle of Bonnarooo called the
Snake and Jake's Christmas Barn. And it's just so bizarre that Superfly, who started
in New Orleans and AC Entertainment in Knoxville, came together to create Bonnarooo in Manchester.
And they brought along this bizarrely tiny. I mean, it must be twelve hundred square feet
inside of the place. They brought this insanely tiny dive bar from New Orleans and gave them
a giant Christmas barn in the middle of center that acts as the late night rave dance party
of silent disco ish thing for Bonnarooo. That's just a bizarre thing that only happens in
Bonnarooo. Makes sense to me. Yeah, there's a lot of New Orleans, you know, they've got
Calliope. There's a lot of influences. Calliope. They have that. No, they didn't bring Calliope.
They have Calliope. The name of the street is Calliope.
They left that in New Orleans.
No, but it's just a bizarre and specific Bonnarooo thing that I thought that you would enjoy.
The other thing that happened since I've been gone. Thank you, Kelly Clarkson, Moon River.
You guys had your own little boutique festival in Chattanooga. I guess the weather was fine
for that. There was no sort of sense of flooding or anything.
No, the weather was gorgeous. If anything, it was too sunny, too, too bakingly hot. But
it was great. That little steamy was that little hot. It did. Boy, that when that you
know, it's a it's a Coolidge Park, which has a lot of shade if you go looking for it or
none. You know, if you're if you're in the field, you're you're baking. But there was
plenty of shade and breeze to find if you wanted to. I thought it was great. The crowd
was huge. Who'd you like? I know who I know who Lord Tacoh is going to like. Who'd you
like? I really liked Amethyst. I went both days. I messed up. My anniversary was that
weekend. I went Saturday and not Sunday. I wish I had a flip flop that. But I needed
to work, get a story written. So and I wanted to see Amethyst Kia. She was terrific. Was
it overcoats? Were also very good. The overcoats. Yeah. The overcoats were good. What a name.
What a great name for a girl band. They were great shovels and rope. I always they're good.
Who else would I will refrain from saying my opinion on shovels, rope on the off chance
it might be on the show one day. I don't want that coming back to bite me. Yes. The Alice
and Russell. She was I didn't. Yeah, I think I don't think I saw hers. Her set. Old Car
Medicine show was fine. Now, I go. Did you see? Did you see the good doctor? I saw Dr.
Dog. Yeah. The good doctor is in. How good was that show? That was so good. We were right
up front. That was the one show I got right up at the at the front of it for. And it was
amazing. It was great. There's just a couple of shows that I will not miss no matter where
they are, who they are. Parquet courts and and Dr. Dog. It's just a there's just some
sort of energy around that that that is is unlike any other show. And the thing about
that line up at Moon River is is Dr. Dog sticks out like a sore thumb. Yeah. Of all the artists
that they had. It was a little out of left field, but that was probably my favorite show.
Well, it was my favorite show from the whole weekend. Yeah. So much fun. I love the other
thing about Dr. Dog that that is just like Parquet courts, hard to sit down and have
a session with with the albums. You know, I so rarely find myself sitting down at Spotify
and listening to a Parquet courts album or Dr. Dog all the way through. But that show
I'm going to see every time. The other thing for me was I got there early Saturday, early
afternoon, and it was already full and nobody left. And I think that was true of both days
and talking to people. It was how was how was the vaccine and the negative test?
Not a problem. It was as easy as showing your ID on the way in. I mean, it didn't delay
anything. And you felt safe. You felt OK about it all. Well, yeah. I mean, I don't know about
you, Russ. I did. There's plenty of space in that area. It's more of a when you get
home and you start thinking about it type of thing. You want to go back out into that
crowd. People were happily spending money. Our friend Lindsay from the the many Roos
was there selling from Rue Fitness, host the many Rue. He was working the VIP tent actually
crashed at my house that night. Yeah. Wow. Another Barry Rue. Yeah. And around the very
room we talked. But he said people were spending money like crazy and seemed to be happy about
it. The thing, though, about about Chattanooga is that nobody gives a damn about covid to
begin with. That city just is not necessarily taking much of this seriously. Surprising
that somebody walks in with a festival and says, no, you guys are going to be doing this.
There was no pushback from the from the public. Well, again, you got to remember more than
half of the audience is from out of town. It's I don't consider it a Chattanooga event the
way you do. Yeah, this was not Riverbend. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Lindsay said he saw
IDs from literally all over all over the country. Yeah. I mean, you know, typically, typically
I'm going to know a lot of people at an event that size. And I recognize very few people
other than what podcast listeners and and Bonnarooians we ran into people all day long.
It was kind of funny. Well, the other festival that happened over the weekend, which is ironic
because if I'm not mistaken, there was a festival in Atlanta that got canceled. And yet Music
Midtown continued using Midtown. A lot of rain that came through and hurt them. I just
had such a problem with Music Midtown overall. You know, we've said this before, Barry, they
every festival goes for a different target. Everybody's doing their own lane or everybody's
in their own lane rather doing their own thing. And and I understand Music Midtown has turned
into a pop top 40 festival. I mean, I just don't see myself rushing to see the Jonas
Brothers headline on a Friday night. It's just not doing it for me. But they had a ton of
rain. And the other thing, the other thing, too, I noticed and this was just on my own.
I hate to care too much about my own feed, but man, I saw a lot of fights where that
crowd likes to throw hands. I must have some saw three different fights from three different
people on social media. That's absurd. That's bizarre. Music festivals and throwing punches.
I don't know. That's I don't know. That's really strange. So there are a couple of things
I want to do today, one of which is a old round or a new round of an old game called
Festival or Fake. Oh, yeah. I don't remember what we called it, but I've got a festival
Baker festivals. Yeah. Festival Frank. And then I want to do I want to do a ask the experts
a round of questions that I've gotten and you guys have gotten through the last couple
of weeks. We will do that on the podcast next.
Barry Courter. Lord Taco, I have a game for you. Is it a real festival or a fake festival?
These are either a big time music festival in the world or something that came out of
Brad guys brain. Are you guys ready to play a stirring and amazing round and with big
prizes to to the world? Now, how well researched are you on this? Very well researched. Okay,
better than last time. Because last time last time you denied Barry a point because you
said it was a fake festival and it turned out to be a real festival. Well, you know,
I did. I just made up words, so I don't know. Well, that's why I asked how well research
to this. You make up the words. I got to go. Yeah. Man, if I got to go search my own festival
words, it's going to be really weird in my search history. Penis, penis, penis fest.
Twenty twenty one. That's how you get on the list. Yeah. Is cock a poo poo in there? All
right. Let's go with I'm ready. Festival festival number one festival number one. Astropolis
as tropolis. Is that a real festival or a fake festival as tropolis? Now we're taking
turns. Do we just chime in? I'm going around the room. I want both of you guys to guess
as tropos. I'm going to say no one answer to one as one as I just like putting the punctuation
on the ass. I'm going to say yes. OK, yes. The actual answer is a real festival September
18th and 19th in France with headliners Blutch, Coffton and Mad Bin. Very excited about that
Mad Bin set. Number two, wonder prism, wonder prism, real festival or fake festival. Say
yes again. That sounds like a real festival. OK, that is a fake festival.
Oh, fake festival. Yes. Very clever. I did not search it. So take your take it away.
Good name. It's a good name. Somebody's going to come in and be like, that's a real festival.
How dare you? I was there. So on the rail, man, I was on the rail. Number three, beat
lust, beat lust, beat lust. Is that B E A T or B E E T? No, it's not a festival. We
love I know we love our gardens and our vegetables. No, you didn't say it had to be a music festival.
That's a good point. Beat lust. I say no. I say yes. OK, another point for Barry Courter.
Barry Courter now has two points. That is a fake festival. I don't. Taco, are you even
on the board yet? You're still got a big fat zero. I got a big old nothing. Melt Fest,
Melt Fest. M-E-L-T Fest, Melt Fest. Say no. Yeah, I'm going to say no. OK, that is a
actual festival. It's in an open air museum in Germany. The headliners this year is Disclosure
Churches. Not a bad lineup. I like this one. I'm really excited about this one. Riot Grill,
Riot Grill. Is it a real fest or fake fest? Riot Grill? No, I think you're trying to trick
us. I think because we just had Riot Fest. I'm going to say Riot Grill is not a festival.
OK, right. A real festival founded and hosted by bitchin kitchen host and celebrity chef
Nadia takes three things very seriously. Music, food and grills. I'm sorry, girls. I'm sorry,
girls. I dubbing itself. No, it's right. Grill, not right. Girl music, food and girls dubbing
itself as an all Fem Fest that brings together punk music, comedy and delectable grub in
celebration of LGBT rights. I've got a couple of others here just just in passing. I'm going
to say Cloud Nocturnal, Rockadora, both fake festivals. And then the final one that I didn't
get to is Love Saves the Day. Love Saves the Day with the blast P Money and actually a band
that actually like a lot slow tie. That's our real and fake festival for this week on the
What Podcast. I got to give that to Barry Courter. Lord Taco. Congratulations, Barry. Big donut,
man. I'll expect a rise package in the mail soon.
You know what? You win. When my friend you get a what t shirt, what podcast t shirt and
sticker. All you got to do is get with Barry Courter and he can get your prize to you.
Well, yeah. Good news is it's already in your garage. Yeah. You don't have problems with
this prize delivery. So did you guys see this thing on on Reddit? I guess I haven't really.
I've seen pictures of the overall farm before, but there's a drone footage of somebody flying
a drone over the entire farm at Manchester. I thought it was brilliant. And I know that
I've seen pictures of the farm, you know, in in total, and I've seen it before, but
I've never seen drone fly over it before. Did you guys see this?
I think I have not this maybe not the same one you saw, but I've seen one before and
I've seen aerial photos. Yeah, because I remember back after first going thinking how big it
was and then trying to compare it to our festival, which allegedly had one hundred thousand people
every year. I quickly figured out that's not possible.
Yeah. Well, that's that's sort of like where I was. I was the first thing that I thought
just the vast span of it and how big this this space is. And then I remember like Music
Midtown cuts cut their their size in half. They took away the entire hill that was their
third stage. But are you saying they moved the hill?
They moved the hill in Music Midtown. Barry, do you think that there is a possibility if
they if something were to happen this past year and they were to do a smaller footprint?
I don't know how Bonnarooo could have done a smaller footprint. I looked at the vast openness
of this of this of this space. I just like an exit one eleven when you guys went. It's
hard to just wall that thing off and turn it into a smaller entity. It's not that hard.
They literally close it in and made it smaller. They I mean, they did, but it felt smaller.
It felt like now and maybe they didn't do like, you know, as well as they could have
like if they've done it Bonnarooo like when it shrank to forty eight thousand people that
one year, it didn't feel like it to anybody that was there.
Now, are you talking about just center or just the whole farm?
Yes, center and specifically center. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They they moved some fencing in
and made it smaller for exit one eleven. Hmm. Yeah. The other thing too is like they did
it. I mean, it OK. It doesn't it felt different, I guess is what I'm saying. Felt much, much,
much smaller. So I mean, feel like Bonnarooo. Yeah, I just I just it would be odd for me
to walk into that space and just see sort of like police tape keeping me away from half
of the festival. You know, that's what it felt like. And it was you could look, you
know, on the other side of it and see what stage and, you know, the other camping area.
So again, that's from somebody who's been to both. So maybe, you know, to a new person,
it doesn't feel like that at all. The people who did go to the shows like the Avett brothers,
I mean, I heard nothing but good things. You know, that was a much smaller one stage.
OK, we'll see. Wasn't wasn't the exit one eleven. But exit one eleven, did they just
they didn't just use the main stage. They use the other side stages, too, or they just
use the one stage as well. Like they did. Yeah. I want to say three stages for exit
one eleven. Ah, OK. Wow. Yeah. Tents. Yeah. Right. Just the tents. Just the tents. Yeah.
They didn't use the two big ones for sure. You know, I love that. They use the wet stage.
They did. Yeah, because that's where that was where the major that's that's where you
had that ZZ Top Guns and Roses. So they use the what? And I know they. Yeah, they didn't
call it the what, but they used it. Right. Actually, that's a great point because I had
assumed that they just use which and it's a lot easier to use the which stage and that
side of the festival than the what's the side stage or the what stage side? Yeah, I don't
remember if I don't think they use the which. What a weird setup. Anyway, I found that
to be interesting. Go back and watch that video if you can. I don't know who got that,
but it makes me wonder like, boy, I would love, love for them to incorporate more drone
footage because it's fun to watch that place. I would have loved to watch that thing grow
and come alive in that drone footage. Right. You see it empty. And then as the drone footage,
like they keep going and day after day after day through the night, that would have been
really, really incredible to watch. Yeah. I hope they do that more often because we
saw it a little bit two years ago when we went up that Wednesday, you know, for the
media thing, it was empty. Got to drive around and then I know that night and the next morning
it was I don't get I don't get much perspective when I'm just on my on foot, right. Walking
around the place or in a cart is just the vast openness of insane. So I got a couple
of questions for you guys. I want to go through predictions, questions that we've gotten over
the past couple of weeks. Let's ask the experts and our experts being Lord Taco and Barry
Quarter. All right. Question number one. I couldn't even get a festival right. True or
false. Miley will headline in 2022. True or false? False. False. Really? Why? I just don't
think I think I think this is her year. This I think, you know, with her being signed up
for so many other ones, that's just me. I mean, we don't know factually any of this
stuff. You're just. Yeah, I mean, it's still opinions. I know. Just to make sure that's
clear. I think I think they'll just scrap everything from the last two years and start
fresh. Well, that goes into the second question. Tame will be back in 2022. True or false?
Really false. That's going to. Yeah. OK. Well, that leads to the third question. Give me
the one band from twenty twenty one that will be there in twenty twenty two. I don't think
you'll have any if not. I mean, Barry, definitely not. Definitely not a headliner. I could see.
Yeah, I could see it being more of the middle. The undercards. Sure. The silver Nassos, the
Krugman's some of those bands that also do these things more regularly than a than a
tame that seem as we've said before, wrap them around new, new work, new product. That's
not to say those bands don't have new product. They just seem to do more festivals more regularly.
My answer to that question. And this is going to be a surprise. The one band artist that
I can see coming back for twenty twenty two is Lizza. I know that the going the the the
smart money is probably on Foo Fighters because, you know, it's the Foo Fighters and they can,
you know, plop down and play a show pretty much anywhere. Look at, you know, the the
rumors about where in the woods they can show up and play anyway. They already booked, though,
for those dates next year. Are they? That's a good point. I don't know. I have no idea.
For June. Yeah. Look that up. I get that a go. But I would say, I would say Lizzo based
on everything that we've talked to from booking agents, from managers, from tour people. Lizzo
is about to have a new album. She's got new product. And if it goes as well as the last
product, she is going to be on cycle and in the mode to do big shows. And I can almost
assure you that she's going to be a major Coachella headliner. So if she's a major Coachella
headliner, why would she not continue for Bonnarooo? And then you're going to get the
floodgates opening and people screaming about Lizzo's not a headliner. Still, you're still
going to get those people screaming about the first female headliners, Lizzo, and she's
going to be the first female headliner three years in a row. I am willing to bet that she
is three festivals in three Bonnarooo's deep of first female headliner.
Foo Fighters are booked June 10, 12, 14 and 16. Where? 22. What is that? The Nova Rock
Festival, IDA, Milan. It looks like. Oh, in Milan. Yeah. Yeah. And Tame Impala is playing
a festival in Barcelona. There you go. So yeah, my, my, my guess will be, I think my
guess is going to be right here. I think Lizzo is going to be the one. I'm like that there
will be some return just because of the numbers, I think is probably pretty good. But like
the headliners, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. It feels like they'll start over. The
other one I could probably see is my morning jacket coming back to. I could see that question.
Number three, four rather. Coachella will have a better lineup, true or false? Better
than Bonnarooo or better than Bonnarooo? Yes. Coachella will have a better lineup than Bonnarooo.
You know me, the lineups are so subjective. My morning jackets on the Bonnarooo lineup,
it's better. I know, but, but, but we have gone two years in a row now, not two, two
physical years, 2019 and 2020, looking around and saying Bonnarooo has absolutely the best
festival lineup in the country. Yeah, true. True. True. Does that continue? Does that
continue next year? Maybe not. That seems like just a one in a million thing. Three
years in a row. Yeah, three years in a row to nail it. That's asking a lot. I guess the
other part of my hesitation is, is I don't think we, I know I don't, maybe the, maybe
Brad, your, your guys that you know, that do this would say differently. I guess what
I'm, are there so many questions still that are unanswered that are becoming even more
hard to answer? Are we coming out of the fog or are we going deeper into the fog? I guess
is a better way to, you know, like you said, two years. I understand what you're saying,
but I would say we're coming out of it. I think that if you listen to any of the, turns
out guys, I'm not a doctor. I'm also not a scientist, but all of them, if you listen
to them, think that spring 2022, I mean, I can't believe that when this all started March
of last year, I was listening to somebody, I don't know who it was. And it was, I don't
know, Sanjay Gupta, name a scientist name, but I don't know who it was. And they're like,
it's probably gonna be March or spring of 2022 before all of this starts to get normal.
I'm like, Oh, what a, what a fool. Listen to that guy. What a silly, silly man he is.
And it, that's looks like exactly going to be, and if that's the case, you know, Coachella
and Bonnarooo and all of these things and hang out are, are absolutely going to happen. That
last question that I have for you though, Barry, it leads into the final question that
I have. And I think that I have an answer for it. The biggest surprise on festival lineups
in 2022, the biggest surprise.
Who the artist will be.
At this point, it'll be a surprise if we have a festival in 2022.
I know, I know, but I got, I got, I got a thought here and I, and I think, I think I'm
going to be right about it.
Well, biggest surprise. Would it be Dolly?
No, I am not going to, maybe it could be, could be. Mine is, my vote is going to be
the reason why the Coachella lineup will be better in theory by the general public is
going to be because the surprise headliner, the big one, the big get for 2022 at Coachella
will be Britney Spears.
First big show that she has out of the conservatorship and that fits what Coachella does. I have,
I'm putting, I'm calling Vegas and I'm putting money on Britney at Coachella and that will
be the most talked about music festival set in years.
That would be correct if it, if it were to happen. Yeah.
Yeah. And I, and I just don't see, I don't know, maybe I'm missing something. I just
don't see anybody talking about it. I think we need to get in this mode of start to reevaluate.
Coachella is like two months away from having a lineup by a normal calendar. If we go back
into the years past, we are getting a Coachella lineup by Black Friday. And if the regular
calendar holds, we are going to be getting a Coachella lineup in the next six to eight
weeks. And I think we need to start putting our, wrapping our head around what the world
looks like if, if a Coachella happens and does anybody fit better than Britney?
Probably not.
Maybe not. Let me ask it this way. Do you, if you were booking Bonnarooo or Coachella
or anything for 2022, do you feel like it has to be a super home run or do you feel
like it just needs to be solid and stick with what you've been doing?
I feel like it needs to be cheap. Yeah. I think it needs to be in budget. I just, I
think my budget is going to be lower and I need to get the most bang for the buck. Even
if it means, even if it means I'm, I'm light in, in a lot of areas, if I'm, if I'm 10 bands
short, you know, try to make that up somewhere else, you know, especially for like a Bonnarooo
find, find some bizarre Plaza stuff to do that can be done relatively cheap. I would
now that would be for, for them and for a hangout. But you know, if I'm Coachella, they
got all the money in the world. They can do whatever they want to. They don't care.
I'd love to get Ali and John back on the, the guests that we had that booked these acts
and just to talk about what the conversations that are like going on right now.
You know, I wonder, yeah, it's a good question. It's a good point because I want, my question
would be, are you guys taking a discount?
Yeah. Is it, is it, you know, or your artists coming to you and say, book, book me up. I'll
work every day instead of four days a week or whatever. Or are they saying, I only want
to work two or three. I don't know. I'd like to ask that question.
Well, yeah. And well, I think that you're going to be surprised. The artist is not going
to be, I'm so dying to get out there. I, I'll do anything, but
Well, that's what I had, that's what I had heard six, four or five, six months ago was,
was likely to happen that the artists, instead of doing 35 shows are going to be looking
at doing 45, 48, you know, to get out in some of the smaller markets like Chattanooga. I
even mentioned it on the show, you know, could benefit from that. Obviously with the variant,
things have slowed down. In fact, I've talked to a couple of local promoters with venues
and that's exactly what's happening. They're like, we don't know what's happening. So pump
the brakes and let's wait till after Christmas.
Man, I mean, I can't tell you how many of my shows have been canceled. I've lost, I've
lost bleachers. We lost dashboard confessional and some of that was hurricane related, but
you know, a lot of it, I lost offspring because of the boy, I've got an offspring story to
tell you guys. I lost the offspring for COVID reasons, but boy, oh boy, do I have a, I'll
tell you the story if you ever find me in public and it is a good one. But you know,
I've lost so many shows I'm dying to hold on to one in particular is Modest Mouse. It
is a completely sold out show. I am, oh, I'm so, so nervous. I don't want to lose this
show cause it's, I think they're great. And I love Modest Mouse and the new album is terrific,
but the, but the rate of shows that we're losing is just too fast and they're happening.
We lost three last week.
Yeah. I, we've, you know, we've got a venue that's supposed to open this weekend and,
and that's what I'm hearing. Is there a lot of shows that sort of have a venue opening
songbirds is going to reopen as the songbirds foundation. Yeah. This weekend, they've got
Eric Gales is I think he's the first show to do they have Mad Ben Mad Ben. What about
Blutch? They didn't, they didn't put Blutch.
I highly recommend that one. But that's, you know, that's what I'm hearing. They're, they're
slowing down the kind of pumping the brakes on booking the show. So that's why I'd like
to talk to John and Ali. Just see what's going on.
The brakes also because they don't have any money.
The venue. Yes. No, they have money.
Well they have money, but come on. They're not 99% of the venues in this country are
not foundations with, you know, underwriters. They are, you know, a guy that just is booking
on his own at this point. You know, the exit in Nashville doesn't just have some available
funds that they can just go. No, they've got to make sure a show works and they don't know
if a show is going to work because they don't know if they can count on people showing up.
That's right. Like for instance, not very many. I saw this happen last night. Not many venues
are the Metro in Chicago. Did you see what the Metro in Chicago did last night? No. After
Riot Fest in Chicago, which by the way, Chicago has been the epicenter of music festivals
this year. I mean, everything that they have has worked Riot Fest over the weekend. And
guess who decided to do a shocking pop-up show at the Metro last minute for $20 cash.
Metallica. Oh yeah.
Unbelievable. You could walk. You showed up at Metro between like 7 a.m. and 10 a.m. You
gave them your vax card. You gave them $20. And then, you know, you come back later that
night and you're in, you see Metallica. 20 bucks. Nice. You know, there's just, but Joe
Shanahan is brilliant. First, he's got, you know, a good bank of money. He's got really
good investors and he's got a reputation that can bring a Metallica on the fly. Not everybody's
got that.
Right. Yeah, that's cool. I don't know what's going to happen. I'm very, very curious to
see. And I hear what you're saying about it. It feels like we're coming out of or will
be in the spring. It doesn't feel like it now to me, but we'll see.
Yeah. All right. Well, anything else before we before we go?
Yeah. Talk about what was the what was the festival that happened? Bonnarooo weekend,
the one that was already pre-planned that did so well.
That was Cloud Nocturnal. It was a festival that I Cloud Nocturnal.
Oh, you talking about the one with the distillery?
Yeah. You remember the name of it?
I don't know. I don't know that it had a name. And I'm not even sure if it was pre-planned
or if it just happened. I never really got an answer.
I think they had planned something and then they adapted and it went so well. They're
talking about doing it again. So but when we were talking about all the other ones,
we didn't mention that because we didn't really know about it. But yeah, it was it was not
on our radar. I mean, well, I can't wait to announce in the coming weeks the what fest
that's going to be Barry Dog Gone Dancing and Lord Taco Identifying Babies and me sharing
hair care product tips.
All on my front porch.
I think I think that we're going to have the same attendance as we did it for Barry Roo.
For what? I can't I can't wait.
She was there, though. Yeah, that's a good point. Good point. Anything else before? Oh,
the ACL. You mentioned ACL. I'm going to do I got suckered into going. I'm going to second
weekend of ACL, which is cool because I get to see our boy Josh from Cautious Clay. He
is cautious. Not from Cautious Clay, but Josh is going to be there. And I am very excited.
I'll be going to see Duran Jones and the indications. I am in love with this new album. And the
other thing, too, about ACL is the drummer, Aaron Frazier, who was produced by Dan Arbok.
He's doing his own solo show at ACL, too. So I get Duran Jones on Thursday, Duran Jones
on Friday, and then I get Aaron Jones on Saturday and then cautious clay before I leave on Sunday.
I am a very, very happy, happy man. So hopefully we'll have Duran Jones on the on the show
in the upcoming weeks as we prepare for ACL Fest. But Saturday night, Barry, is it Saturday
or Friday? No, it's Friday. Friday is George Strait. So for the first for the first time
in how many years I will be going to a night show at a festival and foregoing dinner. I
was going to ask, are you actually going to show up and hear me? Saturday is our very
expensive sushi dinner. We're doing a very exclusive sushi dinner with 10 people. That's
going to be tough. So I will be leaving early on Saturday. But Friday night, I will be there
for the duration. I'm very, very nervous. Well, just to remind people, Bonnarooo, Brad
likes Bonnarooo because the only it's the only festival where he actually hears music. Yeah,
the rest the rest end up being well, you know, a lot of my work people don't show up for
Bonnarooo because, you know, they're bigger divas than I am because they're sweating.
Yeah, they hate it. And frankly, the hotel accommodations in Manchester are not necessarily
up to their level. You know, there's no W in Manchester. Probably the dining options
are about on par too. Yeah, you can't go out for an exclusive sushi dinner at the Waffle
House on exit 310. It's not necessarily their their cup of tea. Guys, anything else to get
to before we leave this week? No, no, no. We'll do it next month. You know what? Shaking
these next month. Shaking these is next month. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. And that just reminds
me that bums me out because next month would have been Jazz Fest, Voodoo Fest, French Quarter
Fest. You're going to have to do your dive bar. Yeah, I know. I'll see you guys. I'm
so happy to see you guys. I'm by I missed you over the last couple of weeks. Yeah. Glad
you made it back safe. Glad to see you. Barry, keep this patina up. You look great in this
low light. Yeah, fantastic. Very, very romantic. Yeah, it looks great. You on the other hand,
on the other hand, Taco looks like a murder is about to happen. Or it looks like a sexy
late night wine. The other looks like death and destruction. I like it. Yeah. All right,
guys. Well, podcast. See you next week. Love you. Bye.
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