Maybe he is Festive Owl.

He might be.

Right?

Yeah.

Maybe Brad Parker is Festive Owl.

You heard it here first.

I love it.

It's the beginning of December.

It's Christmas season.

We all seem to either have our plaid or our Christmasy

something on.

I'm into it.

We have a fire going on upstairs.

I have Christmas music.

I love Christmas music.

I don't know about you guys.

I like good Christmas music.

I like bad Christmas music.

We're going to get into that here in a little bit.

This is going to be an unusual show.

I'm Barry.

That's Russ.

That's Brian.

Welcome to the What Podcast.

How are you guys doing?

I'm doing great.

Russ, you had a later night than me.

How are you doing?

Yeah, I'm survived.

We just did MAINx24 here in Chattanooga,

which was a big 24-hour block party.

There's a parade.

There's events.

There's all kinds of stuff going on.

So yeah, that's what we ended up doing.

And I stayed out a bit later than you did, it sounds like.

Brian calls it the greatest day of the year.

I agree.

It is the greatest day of the year.

It's a pretty good one.

Yeah, it's I would call it our signature event here in town.

It's for the quickest backstory without boring people

who don't know or care about the small community

events of the city we live in.

A bunch of people just put together a block party.

I mean, that's the best way to put it.

And it's stretched out over the course of about 20 blocks now

and 17 years in.

And we've been just about anybody

who considers themselves cool or hip.

Hipster event.

Hip or into the scene whatsoever has at least,

I don't mean goes every year and participates,

but I mean at least recognizes that it is the event that most

of us all look forward to.

And this has kind of turned into, for me,

that if the headline isn't, well, this one sucked,

well, there's not really any more new, different this year

than any other year.

It's kind of like, well, it's just another Pearl Jam concert.

Or it's just another, I almost could say, Bonnaroo.

Was Bonnaroo good?

Of course it was good.

It was great.

Part of the reason it's interesting and I bring it up

is because Russ drives the bus.

And you go with him.

So it's a little bit more than just you stand on the sidewalk.

It's not just that I drive the bus.

It's that the bus is in a parade.

Correct.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's what I meant.

Yeah.

What better way to steal someone else's ideas and thoughts

and use them all by your own to draw attention to yourself?

Look for the Westphalia Bus.

It's Lorde Tacos.

But I'll be there doing all this stuff.

Check out me.

Look at me.

Well, yeah, I'm the one driving.

But you and whoever else we have riding with us,

your job is to pass out candy, jello shots, beers, whatever we have.

And we always run into a bunch of people we know driving down through the,

it's packed on both sides with people.

Yeah, the jello shot has become synonymous with this event.

It's almost like a logo of sorts.

Like, I don't know where it happens.

This is a grassroots thing that started in 07.

And it's just become what it is.

There are no rules.

Like, here's the list.

Y'all check them off and make sure everybody does it.

It's just become what it's become.

And I made 100 jello shots, Barry.

100.

We gave them all away, Tim.

We gave them all away.

And boy, we could have given away 300 without even trying.

I've never made jello before or jello shots.

It was interesting.

That's why I bring it up.

I think that's so cool.

It's fun.

Interesting time in my life to start making jello shots.

Yeah, put lights, decorations, garland all over the bus.

Get it all tachified for Christmas.

Have a tree inside, a little mini tree.

And in the end, it's kind of our Christmas party

for the hipsters in town.

And it was to help revitalize and gentrify,

if that's the word you want to use, a certain part of town

that in the last 20 years has gone from crime

and insert anything you could guess from a midsize downtown

and turned it into one of our favorite places of the city.

Correct.

Yeah, I mean, 20 something years ago,

Main Street is not a place you would want to be anywhere near.

No, what was it?

What was our friend Dixie?

And again, we're being local.

But Dixie's wife said, you could get a speedball, a blowjob,

and a bag of weed.

Ragweed, dude.

Ragweed.

That's where you went was Main Street.

Yeah, I worked down a block away downtown

for all during those years, 2002 to 2000,

we'll call it 15 or so when things really started

to turn around.

And you left your car doors unlocked just in the parking

lot of your work.

Well, you weren't going to have anything left in it

when you got out there.

Nowadays, it's as nice as it gets.

It's a cool place to hang out.

Yeah, nowadays, there's all kinds of cool bars, restaurants,

little boutique shops.

I mean, just all kinds of stuff.

It really is.

You can just walk up and down the street,

and there's events happening all over the place.

After the parade, we went straight to the chili eating

competition, right?

Yeah, that's a regular stop.

They were about out by the time we got there.

It was so crowded yesterday with one of the better weather days

we've had in a long time.

And then it's just like a Bonnaroo thing in a sense

that it's a choose your own adventure.

There's 150 events.

And they're not like these massive events,

but they're all little pop-up small things.

You can take your kids.

Very family friendly.

But it's also-

Despite the Jell-O shots.

Despite the talk about the Jell-O shots,

it's very family friendly.

It's very friendly.

Bring your kids.

Just hang out.

Super family friendly.

But it is a drinking event.

Let's not mistake this for anything

other than a drinking event.

And the main reason I call it pretty early most nights

these years, and well, I would call it early in the older

years too, is that just the drinking starts to pick up

towards the evening when all the live music hits.

And that's a scene I can't really handle as much anymore.

But years ago, I still called it early

because we were drinking at 9 a.m.

while we were getting in the parade.

Yeah, you start-

Yeah, you gotta start-

Start in the morning.

Exactly.

So by the-

Gotta go all day.

Whenever someone just says, just quickly,

because it always comes up,

because everybody's so excited as it gets here,

what are your plans?

What are you doing?

I'm like, if I'm not home or where I'm gonna be

for the night by halftime of the SEC game,

something's not going right around here.

I'm not sure what it is.

So, but that was pretty much the plan yesterday.

So yeah, it was a big time, but yeah, just another year,

another good year.

Well, I was out late and actually I just picked the bus up.

I parked it on Main Street and left it overnight.

I got a ride.

So yeah, just got that home.

I looked like I was out late with him, but I wasn't.

I was just laying in bed all day.

Oh man.

And it's not a problem, but it's so funny.

You're looking in the bus, in the floor,

there's just all kinds of candy that was left over

and empty beer cans and jello shot containers.

And yeah, I mean, it looks like a bomb went off.

I did get to see Lillian.

They played at five at Boneyard.

Nice.

So got to see that.

That was fun.

And then just ended up walking.

We went everywhere.

I ended up buying, we went to, oh, Pax was the place

we ended up at towards the end of the night.

So that's where I closed it out was Pax.

And so, yeah.

All right.

Yeah, it was fun.

Quite an adventure.

Yeah.

All right, good deal.

So obviously you can tell we're gonna be all over

the place today.

This is gonna be our end of, I don't know, Russ,

is this end of season seven, season eight?

Are we gonna go ahead and make this official

and we'll start back in January?

We'll wrap up this episode today.

And that'll be it for season seven

because we're gonna take a little break here

over the next few weeks.

And then we'll be back in January when there's a lineup

to talk about.

Yeah, 2024 is gone with the wind

as far as I'm concerned at this point.

But we say it every year, but I wanted to,

we got the Spotify wrapped.

Oh yeah, yeah.

Let's talk about this for a minute.

Congratulations, Russ, because that's all on you, brother.

You do so much work and Brian and I talk about it,

but we appreciate you.

Those numbers came in, they look good.

And that's all about your hard work

and I appreciate it very much.

Well, thanks.

Yeah, definitely.

It's not just me.

I mean, it's everyone that listens too.

We appreciate everyone that's-

Well, I mean, my hair carries a lot.

It goes a long way, I get that.

But I wouldn't be able to.

It's good head hair.

It's good head hair there, Barry.

Incredible amount of growth, both Spotify and YouTube.

I mean, we just have been killing it lately, I think.

Well, let's spend a minute on this.

I got a couple of things real quick.

Let me start.

Cause I wanted to do this

cause we probably have a lot of new listeners.

You probably don't even know.

We started this show in 2018.

It was Brad Steiner, myself and I were having lunch

and we said, we need to talk about Bonnaroo

cause we talk about Bonnaroo

every time we have lunch, every week.

So we started this silly show

and we thought it'd be three months and he knew Russ.

I didn't know Russ.

He knew Lord Taco.

Came up with a website, Taco built it.

We had that thing going four days later.

And here we are almost eight seasons later.

We love Bonnaroo.

Brian was a regular contributor since the beginning.

Yeah, the easiest job in the world.

Just show up occasionally and get a good ticket.

And Brad decided about a year ago, I guess, or January.

It's been a year.

Yeah, he too many things going on.

He's a program director.

I don't know what his title is up in New York.

It doesn't matter.

Gets paid way too much to do very little in New York.

And good on his radio guy up in New York.

Good on him for it.

He's in New York.

He's got like three radio stations across the country.

Doesn't he have Chicago?

Might be more like six.

Big markets.

Yeah, it's probably more by now.

So anyway, again, I'm just for those people who are like,

who are these idiots in their pajamas?

Talking about jello shots.

Talking about jello shots.

It's some city I've never heard of.

Yeah.

Yeah, we all live pretty much in Chattanooga,

but we've been going to Bonnaroo.

Brian's been every year.

I went to the first one, didn't go for four years.

Been every year since seven.

Russ has been every year since 18, right?

Once we started the website.

Once we started.

Yeah, that was the first one I went to.

Minus the two that were canceled, of course.

Correct, correct, correct.

So that's who we are.

We love it.

We are obsessed with it.

We love the sausage making.

We love talking to people about it.

We love everything about it.

Yeah, and we're coming into the new year.

We'll have more from just...

I've been enjoying just kind of finding random, you know,

people who are not necessarily sanctioned by Bonnaroo

to do things that have created their own thing.

And we're gonna have more of those kinds of guests

into the new year.

I'm glad you mentioned that.

Yeah, that's exactly why I wanted to do sort of the back story

because we have gotten a lot of emails recently

from people who wanna come on the show

to talk about their relationship with this festival.

Yeah.

It's incredible.

I mean, we've said this since the jump

and that's why we keep doing it.

And that's why we are able to do it weekly.

We're not the only ones.

There are so many groups and people that have such a tie

to this festival and festivals in general,

but specifically Bonnaroo.

And I can't wait for next year.

Yeah, so bring on any suggestions you got.

We can't promise that we're gonna get to it.

We all have real jobs, real lives and real stuff.

So we've got to sift through all this,

but you're not wasting your time by making contact with us.

We don't have like a department of interns

that just like, you know,

go through our spam filters or whatever.

We go through it all ourselves

and we appreciate all the suggestions.

If we can get to it, we will.

But that's it.

Yeah, exactly.

So that's comments at the whatpodcast.com

if you wanna reach out.

There you go.

But we have so many and I wanted to sort of tie it up,

I guess, if the right thing,

cause thank you.

Well, so on that,

this I'm glad that-

So now go.

This all that ties in good enough too,

because it's a real legitimate question by me.

So I first saw the Spotify raps, we all know, you know,

it's a brilliant thing they do.

The way it's curated to be automatically shared

to your social, like you don't have to do anything.

You just go, I'll share that one and I'll share that one.

And then, yeah, a lot of people think

it's some kind of look at me.

And of course it is,

but that's what all social media is.

So stop.

Like if you think that, if that's a problem for you,

then I don't know what we're doing here.

And there's so many worst things

you can be doing with your time on social media

than sharing what music you like.

That's like the most innocuous, perfectly easy, simple,

what you should do with social media thing out there.

And people are killing people for it.

And I would have done the same thing 15 years ago.

I get it.

So I think it's pretty cool, but beyond that,

so beyond just that it's neat

and that we all somewhat enjoy it,

the numbers, I always, you know,

junk data and polling drives me crazy sometimes.

So I start to wonder,

I started to see my local music friends

and I started to see my people who do whatever.

And I see everybody's up 150%, everybody's up,

you know, all this.

I think that's more of a product of,

well, if I'm way down, I'm not gonna share it.

I think it might be more of that.

I also think it might be a little bit of fudging

the numbers by Spotify to make everybody feel

like they're having the greatest time of the life.

But they're real numbers that you can look yourself.

I mean, Taco, you can pull every number you want.

You don't need Spotify rap to tell you that.

Long, long, long way to get to a question.

Where would you guys suggest,

because this is a multi-platform show here.

Someone says, hey, I wanna, you got a podcast,

you got a video cast, you got a show.

That's cool.

Where should I find it?

What would that answer be for you guys?

Is it YouTube?

Is it as simple as saying YouTube?

That's a good question.

Yeah, that's a short answer.

Yeah, it's funny, because I have people say,

ah, where can I find your podcast?

Well, it's the whatpodcast.com.

But then I'm like, but go to YouTube,

because those are the numbers that matter.

That's the numbers we want the most.

Yeah, that's the ones we want.

Selfishly, those are the numbers we want the most.

But the next time I sit down and watch a video cast

on YouTube, won't be the first,

but it'll be the first time I did it deliberately.

Right, like, so I go to, I'm a Spotify guy.

I love Spotify, listen to everything through Spotify.

But I quickly went through it.

They have, I mean, they're behemoth.

I didn't quite realize they were this big

as just from their streaming platform.

640 million monthly users.

YouTube music only around 100.

Apple only around 100.

YouTube overall is billions, but that's not,

that's the behemoth that it is itself.

Yeah, YouTube is the biggest video platform in the world.

But so like YouTube music, Apple,

these other places to listen to podcasts,

they're like a third combined,

about half of the combined size of Spotify

all the way around.

So that just got me wondering,

like how much of those numbers matter?

Well, the more I look at this, they matter a lot.

So anyway, that just made my simple question.

Where should people watch on this?

Well, I listen in the car.

So obviously I'm not watching YouTube.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, that's the thing.

We're both audio and video and whether you prefer,

a lot of people do like to watch a podcast

rather than just listen to it.

Lots of people do.

I don't understand what they do.

If you're in the car, you want to just put on a podcast

or maybe you're going out for a run

or you're doing dishes or something

you don't necessarily have it on

that you're actively watching,

but it's something you're still listening to.

So Spotify is good for either one

because we do have video on Spotify now too.

Yeah, that's a cool thing they've integrated too.

So I mean, there are no wrong answers.

Find the show and listen and we love you to death.

And thank you.

We don't care where you listen.

Yeah, yeah, thank you.

Yeah, and I don't either,

but it did just pop into my head

while I was going through these

and was kind of shocked by how big Spotify was

compared to the others.

Yeah, that's a good point.

You know, if someone said, what's the best place?

And I would default to YouTube,

but I think my default was probably the right answer.

Anyway, that's all.

No, not one anyway.

All right, again, like I said,

we're going to jump all over the place.

What news?

Do we have actual Bonnaroo news?

Cause what we're going to do here in a little bit,

we're going to share,

we're going to ask you guys to share your top five

vinyl choices.

If you had to recommend,

or I forgot how I phrased it.

Cause you could phrase it.

I've got two different lists that bounce around the orbit

what you were asking for.

And I'm not sure if they'll fit in or not,

but I do have one piece of news Bonnaroo,

but go ahead and then we'll.

Yeah, let's not skip the news.

Let me set the show up a little bit.

So I won't say who,

cause I don't think she'll be listening,

but somebody's getting a turntable for Christmas.

And so the question was, all right,

what do you buy for that person?

A starter kit, a vinyl starter kit.

You can't get somebody a turntable

and not at least include a record.

You got to have some records.

And so that's when I reached out to you guys and said,

what would be your top five starter kits?

And that's how we're going to go.

Obviously that can go, I mean, you know,

it depends on the age, it depends on the time of year,

but whatever.

I said it to you guys.

I told Russ before you got on Brian,

seemed like an easy question when I asked it.

And it has hair lipped me for two days.

I thought I had it, but we're going to do that.

And then I have a Christmas gift of my own for you guys

at the end with a little bit of a history thing.

But before we do that, yeah, what sort of news?

What's what we need to, again, this is first,

second week of December, we know there's rumors.

We know the lineup is coming in a month.

We're going to take some time off.

It'll be here for you to know it, but yeah.

Let's just talk Christmas and have some fun.

The only thing I saw digging through things

after our event yesterday was over the weekend,

I should say is another Rue Clu, right?

Hot Mulligan, are you familiar with this?

Not at all.

Yeah, me neither.

Me neither, but another, at least on this Rue Clu,

once I saw the name Hot Mulligan,

there was somebody playing golf.

So like, okay, I see where you might've got that one.

And going back to last week when both me and Barry

were like, these clues are like making me cross-eyed.

Yeah, I still don't get it.

But so Hot Mulligan, who is, and I don't see a confirmation

on this from anywhere, but I saw people talking about it

enough that I believe that that looks like that's to be true.

So who is Hot Mulligan?

Did a quick little just mini look into this.

They're roots on paper, go back to 2014.

The AI Google, like just quick poll

said the band members are between the ages of 24 and 27.

So we'll just, I'm gonna assume they're closer to later 20s.

And this stuff is what I wrote down,

I'll say newer because they're a 10 year old band,

but New Wave Emo Pop Punk.

I believe if you hear that, hear them and hear that description,

you'll be like, that's exactly what it is.

It's pop, it's punk, it's emo.

And it's kids though, I did the math,

that's why I looked up their age,

that when emo was exploding 22 years ago,

they were like four or six or five.

I mean, they were old enough to hear the new song

and bop to it, right?

Like, so they weren't babies, but they were very, very young.

And then in 2014, 2015, they leaned heavy into that sound.

And I guess that's why they didn't take off

because in 2015, emo was as dead as grunge.

I mean, nobody listened to emo in 2015,

but it is if you like that kind of music,

they're from Lansing, Michigan, and that's what they do.

I'm guessing they're a one or two o'clock this or that

on any day of the festival or a Thursday night, this or that.

That would be what I would guess on the little bit

of limited information on hot mulligan.

So now we're looking at tipper, hot mulligan

and glass animals, right?

That's what we're-

Yes, and justice.

Oh, that's right, and justice.

That was another festival that came out this week.

Half of those I'd never heard of before the other week.

I went back and listened to our interview

with David and Lauren and Brian.

Great interview.

You nailed it with David talking about tipper.

I'm with you, I'm in.

He made it sound fun.

I'm looking forward to that show, right?

Yeah.

Well, but yeah, you don't come out of the UK

and then have recognition across the globe

30 years ago and not have something pretty special

going on.

Yeah, yeah.

True, and if it's one of the last shows he's gonna play,

that's reason enough to go check it out.

On our text, we were talking about things

that we're suckers for.

I'm a sucker for a final show ever, if they're ever real,

but they rarely are, but in this case it might be.

I'm looking forward to it.

I like this round of Rue Clues so far anyway.

What other news?

Yeah, we had an Electric Forest lineup drop also come out

and Brad Parker, he mentioned somewhere

that three of the top 12 on Electric Forest

overlaps with Rue and one in the first group under that

overlaps with Rue.

He's throwing so many grenades.

I know, he's like trying to put the pieces together.

Maybe he is Festive Owl.

He might be.

Right?

Maybe Brad Parker is Festive Owl.

Yeah.

You're in here first.

Yeah, everybody's trying to go look at that lineup

and try to figure out who it is.

Obviously, Justice is on Electric Forest.

God damn it, I'm not festival.

What are y'all saying on that show?

Starting rumors.

That's so funny.

That's cool though.

All right, what else?

Yeah, I love-

I think that's all the news.

We do this every week.

Rush sits there and he has this,

and I'm like, we're almost done.

And then Rush says, nope, here,

I got 18,000 more things I wanna talk about.

Let it go.

Yeah, go ahead, Russ, what do you got?

No, I don't have anything.

Okay, so.

That was it.

I mean, yeah, Rupus, some leaks, and then all that.

So I think that's all the Bonnaroo news.

And then you had a few things we pulled from socials

that we could respond to at some point

before we get out of here, but yeah.

Oh yeah, we're not done.

I wanna do the-

Oh yeah, yeah, no, I wasn't insinuating that,

but yeah, we're a scattered mess today.

Yeah, yeah, we're just having fun.

All right, so-

Yeah, but if you wanna keep talking about my bus some more,

that's fine too.

So we asked people, cause again, being selfish,

what are your five albums?

And we had a lot of answers, and some of these lists,

and Russ, I'll let you go through them,

but I have nothing but respect.

I mean, Bonnaroo Dude, Zaba?

I don't know, Glass Animals, Tyler Childers,

Hosier, Frank Sinatra, Sinatra got a lot of comments,

which I love, George Michael, Bing, gotta love Bing,

Neil Young, I mean, everybody's all over the place.

Neil Young Decades is one of the suggestions.

If you're gonna start with Neil Young,

and you're not, you only know maybe a handful,

Gitch Hiker, start with Decade.

Dylan, Bowie, Elton John.

What else, Russ?

I'm stepping on you, I was gonna ask you.

Well, there was one comment that went

a completely different way, because we didn't really,

we just said, you know, top five.

Someone went and said, you know, like, a good turn,

like obviously turntable, but then also like a stand,

a place to store vinyl so they don't warp,

you know, place to show them off.

You know, which is part of it.

I mean, you know, yes, the records are part of it, but.

Yeah, some of us like to show them off there, Russ.

Hang them on the wall, yeah.

I was gonna ask about cleaning.

I mean, that's my new thing, is how you clean a kit.

I still have the old one from Record Bar,

believe it or not, that I got probably in the late 70s

when I worked there, so people will know.

So I still have that.

Is it that little brush thing that looks like,

almost like you'd like shine some shoes?

Yep, exactly.

Yeah, I've got one of those brushes.

I do too.

Cleans the needle, yeah.

I should be able to think of the name, but.

All right, so thanks everybody,

and we'll share some of those,

but I wanna hear what you guys think.

And again, we alluded to it,

you could go so many ways on this.

I mean, you could do, you know, Desert Island, top five,

you could do things you want your kids to have.

There's so many answers, so there's no right or wrong.

But do you wanna go one at a time,

or you wanna go all the way through your individual fives?

Let's just start right to left.

But from my right to left,

Russ, you go first and just do the,

dude, let's just do one list that you wanna do,

whatever it might be.

I've got Scott, my five favorite that I own.

I've got that, I've got a gift-giving suggestion of a list,

and that's what I've got.

So I've got my five just favorite that I've ever owned,

which is not really what you asked,

but I don't know exactly what you give people for gifts,

except I do have one suggestion that I'll get to.

All right, well, I'll start with one.

This is, I got Tales from Topographic Oceans from Yes,

which is probably not their most famous album,

but it's one of my favorites.

And just to give you an idea, this is a double album.

Yep.

And there's four songs total.

That's how long these songs are.

Yeah, to all the Jam Band people who thought

they created that kind of stuff, yeah, check with Yes.

Check with Yes.

Yeah, that's part of why I picked it out,

just because I think it's so funny

to have a double album, four sides,

and then there's four songs,

because they're like 20 something minutes a piece.

This is kind of at the height of their,

they were very experimental, avant garde.

So there's a whole lot of just kind of meandering,

not necessarily a whole cohesive song, but-

Most 20 minute songs meander at some point.

Yeah, yeah.

Do you, what's the last time you listened to it?

The actual like vinyl?

Yeah.

Or just- Either.

Probably a few days ago, I put it on.

Okay, all right, yeah, good.

Solid.

All right, what's next?

Oh, let's see.

Next, I got Dr. Dog.

Dr. Dog.

They have a new album out this year,

and this is not the new one,

but this is Critical Equation, I think came out 20-

Surely they played Bon Roos a couple of times, right?

Dr. Dog?

Yeah, and hopefully they play again.

I know they played here in Chattanooga several times.

They played Moon River in Chattanooga,

and yeah, it seems like they have played Bonoboo, right?

It feels like there's no chance they haven't played,

but we'll know before we wrap this up.

Bonoboo band, but yeah, I like this record a lot.

Do you want me to keep going?

Yeah, sure, why not?

Okay, I also picked out the album Leaf, Between Waves.

I don't know if you're familiar with album Leaf.

Immediately I am not.

They're, it's mostly instrumental.

It's not, I wouldn't call it electronic.

There is some electronic to it,

but they also also play a lot of real instruments with it.

So yeah, this one's a lot of fun to listen to.

Dr. Dog played Bon Roos in 2014, by the way, to get that.

Ah, okay, thank you.

What else you got there, Mootaka?

I had picked Radiohead, and I picked A Moon-Shaped Pool,

which I think is their most recent studio album.

I was gonna say, that must be new,

because I don't know that one.

Fairly new, at least in the last-

Newish, not new-new.

Newish, yeah.

Yeah, I like it a lot.

Nice.

Just one of those albums that kind of reminds me

of winter for some reason.

I can't exactly explain why,

but it just seems like the kind of thing you'd put on

on a day like today.

Maybe it's the cover art just kind of looks wintery and cold.

I don't know.

So our friend Mike Dewar and Chrissy Mintz,

you both know, Camp Nut Butter, veterans.

We did a similar experiment a couple of years ago

where we got together to talk about the albums

that influenced our lives the most.

Hey, that's a deeper, deeper conversation right there.

We had a good hour and a half, two-hour conversation,

and it was, it's, again, there's albums that you pick

because they meant something,

there's albums you pick because, you know,

you show off what a nerd you are, whatever.

But that was a deep, deep conversation.

So it was a lot of fun.

And we need to do that again sometime.

Yeah, and it's kind of along the same lines.

I went with Agaluck.

There you go.

And this is another one, this is the mantle.

There's another one that just, it's not necessarily a,

it's not Christmas, but it's just to me,

sounds like winter, if that makes sense.

It's just this kind of thing that you associate

with the time of year.

And Agaluck is- This sounds a little bit like Russ

just kind of showing off his deep roots in music,

just for like a Spotify rap style here.

Like, look at what I, look how deep I get.

True, yeah, I gotta show,

I gotta tell you how much of a nerd I am.

I'm playing, I'm playing.

No, but that's part of it.

Do you pick, and I probably should have said this

before you picked, do you pick albums

that you're just showing off, you know?

You wanna show what a nerd you are?

Yeah, I didn't know, it's so hard to differentiate.

Yeah, it's so hard to differentiate,

because sometimes they're the same thing.

And you'll see- Well, and also,

some albums came to mind that I was like,

oh yeah, I should grab that.

And I went and looked, I actually don't have

some of these on vinyl that I really should.

And so it's, you know, of course I also have tapes.

I've got cassettes, CDs, you know,

we could have gone a lot of different ways,

but I went with, I just went through my collection

and this is the five that I picked.

There's no right or wrong, no judgment.

Yeah, that's what I love about it,

is it's up to interpretation on top five,

or best five, or starter pack,

or however you wanna do it.

I mean, and I'll let you go, Brian,

but for me, it was sort of, part of it was,

these are the albums that I want my kids to like.

And you got, I mean, it's a different thing for me,

because I have grandchildren, so.

But yeah, you could have gone all kinds of different ways.

Well, that's a good point too, I didn't think about that,

cause I went with five for me, but yeah, you're right.

If you're picking five, depends on who you're picking it for,

you might tailor to either what you want them to experience.

That's why I have two lists,

it's really like one and a half lists.

I have a list and some honorables, which is a cheat,

but it's the same thing.

I have a little honorable here too.

All right, so go ahead, Brian.

Those are my five, so I'm done.

As y'all know, I tend to like to use these more as visuals

than listening and some people give me a little bit

of a hard time for that, but I do, if I buy a record,

I listen to it immediately and then I usually,

I'm a collector in the sense of,

they don't have to be super limited editions,

but there needs to be for me some kind of release

that has some kind of, even if it's a fabricated meaning,

so like record store day and that kind of thing.

But so the one, two of them are on the wall,

three of them are on the wall back here.

The first one is Transmissions from the Satellite Heart

from Flaming Lips in the mid 90s.

And it's the orange vinyl.

Now this, nowadays everything is reproduced

and everything's coming out on colored vinyl

and I love colored vinyl, but they're usually,

they're reproductions.

This was from old Chad's Records,

a classic record shop from the late 20th, 21st century,

you guys are well aware.

And the best version is-

You know who he bought his record,

who he bought it from?

This bought what, the store?

Chad's was originally Quarter Brothers.

My brother Bob opened Quarter Brothers

and Chad bought it from my brother Bob.

I didn't know that he-

I am not surprised that there are degrees of separation

that are very small here,

but I didn't know that it was that close.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know Chad very well.

Well, his old, well the 90s location,

my mom is over nowhere near where I grew up,

it's close to where I live and you are now too, Barry,

that old location.

My mom would drive me there on Fridays

and sit in the car and read a book

while I went through records and 14, 15 years old

and I ran into this orange vinyl.

In 1995, an orange vinyl,

any colored vinyl was very, very different.

I mean, it's not like it was unheard of,

but you just didn't see it very often

and I picked that up then and I've kept it ever since

and it's been in a frame for probably 20 years.

And the quick Google I've looked on it,

I can't almost find it anywhere.

And if I have on eBay over the years,

hundreds of dollars, that's how limited of a version.

I just fell into that one.

I thought, hey, neat, orange, I have $20 today.

And then I walked out the door with it

and somehow I didn't ruin it

over the course of the next 30 years.

So that is one of my prized possession.

Not so much that I like the flaming lips, which I do.

It's just because of the circumstances of it.

Another one here, our local guy, Nick Lutsko.

I've got both of them and his third on the way,

but the first one, Songs in the Computer,

he released that just exploded virally

that he sold maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars

worth of vinyl of on just these silly, silly,

nonsensical things that he does online.

It's just, I don't have enough time to tell you about it now.

An amazing guy with amazing art

is speaking of the band that Taco saw last night.

The guy who was lead singing did that cover art.

I don't know where you're seeing this behind me

or in front of you now, but it's beautiful.

Everything from the artwork to the splash vinyl,

to everybody involved in the relationships

makes that one of my favorite records of all time.

Absolutely, yeah.

That's Travis Knight that does the artwork.

Yeah, does incredible, incredible work.

And then Nick himself, just the music itself is all you need.

And then again, we're talking collectibles,

favorites that I own.

So the next two, I went ahead and pulled them down real quick.

They're all dusty and of course, yes, they are in.

You got the, oh man.

The original Street Survivors,

it's not in the best condition

and that makes me like it even more.

I ended up trading this for bills

with somebody when we were in our mid-20s.

So like paying bills and we were all roommates.

Hey, I'm short on this, I'm short on this.

Well, I'll take that Skinner record you got over there

and I don't remember if this paid the electric bill or what.

First concert ticket I ever bought was Leonard Skinner.

$5.50, Memorial Auditorium, the plane went down

about three weeks before the show.

There's so many of those stories out there.

Yeah.

So many of those stories.

But so I'm a big Leonard Skinner fan.

I wish they'd stop making music now.

It's embarrassing, they should stop immediately.

Yeah, it's not good.

Never do this ever again.

Stop staining an amazing Southern American brand.

Anywho, I still love them.

But in this, if you look real close,

you might probably already know this, Barry.

That is Neil Young's Tonight's Tonight's record

on Ronnie Van Zant's shirt.

You know, everybody always thought they were not,

they didn't like each other.

That was all-

Southern man and all, they had a lot of respect.

They loved each other.

Much respect.

Maybe at first there was a little bit, but overall, yeah.

I hope Neil Young will remember Southern man

and don't name him around anyhow.

And that's in response to the song, Southern Man,

and Alabama, the song Alabama,

which we'll come back in just a second.

Yeah, Neil doesn't like many people, but he liked Skinner.

Neil's difficult.

Neil's difficult.

He's a difficult guy.

Difficult Canadian there who likes to tell America

what to do.

Yeah.

And I agree with a lot of it.

Cosby Steele's and Nash, you know.

Exactly.

Anyway.

A multi-global band that tells us what to do.

Right, right.

And so then this one falls in

because it is the actual record of Neil Young

that he's wearing.

So I put them on the wall side by side.

Nice.

A little juxtaposition kind of thing.

There's no, this thing's worth eight bucks.

Right?

You know, that's not a limited run of any kind.

So those are kind of a combo display piece.

And then my fifth one on the list of just favorites forever.

I had to do a split.

It's one, it's AB.

And they're original records from my dad's collection,

which I have a very nice, great original.

It's still very mass produced.

So that none of them are very special edition or anything.

But Almond Brothers Eat a Peach

and Neil Young, back to Neil Young, Neil Young's Harvest.

I have both of those from their original,

you know, from the seventies.

And they are in pristine mint, beautiful condition.

And they've been that way because they've been in the family

ever since 1970.

Barry, help me out.

Eat a Peach and Harvest.

72?

Yeah, early, early seventies.

72 I think.

It's 74, but you're probably right.

Between 72 and 74 sounds about right.

Those two records have survived

three changeovers of ownership.

And they are still in pristine, beautiful,

like they're not in, they're just in my stack in the garage.

But plus they're great, right?

They're just great albums.

I mean, front to back of fabulous albums.

So that's my favorite, like on my list of collectibles.

I'll give you the quickest gift running list if you want.

If you want to go Barry first.

Yeah, no, go ahead.

Go ahead with your second five or your.

Okay, it's not, it's super fast.

It's, and I already kind of just gave away

what I was going to say with it.

As far as gift giving,

because that's kind of where this started.

And it's a good question, because there's a lot,

I mean, it's so trendy to get to do records and I love it.

I think that's so cool.

But I don't know, there's so many,

like there's so many to choose from.

So my thought is if you are,

just like I did with Chapel Rowan

and that peach vinyl the other week,

that's not, there's a hundred million of those out there.

That's not worth any more than the dollar amount

that I spent on it.

So that would be one example,

but record store day releases,

even if they're not current,

like record store day release from five years ago,

which would actually be even more valuable.

If you're buying for a family member or a friend

or whoever it might be, find out who they love

and then look for one of those record store day releases

from one of those bands,

because you're giving them something you know they like

because you know they like the band or the artist,

and you're giving them something that is of a limited run.

And so it's got, that kind of stuff means a lot to me.

I know the younger people, I mean, when I'm,

I mean kid like 15 year old or 19 year old,

they, oh, big deal.

If they hold onto it and it lasts

and it makes it 10, 20 more years, it will be a big deal.

I like it.

And because it's got that limited run

and it's like collecting baseball cards or coins

or anything else.

And so I would look at record store day releases

from the last 10 years of your gift,

the person you wanna buy for.

And if they don't like that, then they don't like you.

And along those lines, what I love is the releases

that are coming out are really quality.

They're what, 80 gram?

180 gram. 180 gram.

That's like, I think that's the highest level of vinyl.

Yeah.

So I have several.

There ain't no breaking that.

Like the old days.

There ain't no breaking that.

Those, they sound, people say, oh, the pops

and the this and the that.

And they sound amazing when you get them.

So that there's that.

And then there's the old and there are two different things

but that's a whole nother.

We can go down that road.

So yeah, I agree with you.

All right.

So do we, all of yours, do we get all of yours?

It's your turn, Barry.

Sorry.

So my list, I went, like I said, I went all kinds of ways.

But mine is, you guys, it's about as obvious as it can be.

Beatles one, Beatles two, Beatles three, Beatles four.

Yeah, I went with, these are the albums that you should have.

I know their albums aren't in called numbers.

No, no, but these are the albums

that you should have in your collection, in my opinion.

Beatles, Sergeant Pepper, obviously.

And I could have gone Abbey Road,

but to me Sergeant Pepper is more,

universe, most people like it.

You're gonna know those songs.

Real quick, Barry, but my dad was not a huge music head

but a little bit, but he was a big trendy pop culture guy.

So I have every Carole King.

I have every Beatles.

I have every, not every, but many, many, many of Elton John,

Jim Croce, whatever at that time

was anywhere near the charts up here, he owned it.

And then now I do.

So I have a huge Beatles collection.

I have Sergeant Pepper's, as you know,

I'm not a big Beatles guy.

I'm assuming you have a lot of Boston

and Foreigner and all that stuff.

Boston, there's Foreigner, there's-

I have none.

I have no Boston, no Foreigner.

Thankfully there's Doors in there

because I'm a big Doors guy.

A lot of Doors.

Boy, I mean, it is a monster.

It is remarkable how well,

of all the things I've destroyed in my life

through negligence and just poor behavior,

that I've kept that record collection

as perfect as it was when I inherited it in 1997

or whenever that was.

That's pretty solid.

So anyway-

I missed the 80s, Foreigner, Boston, and all that.

I was more into the Ramones.

Yeah.

See, that was more eclectic outside of the trend zone.

And so I've got, geez, a few just other popped

into my head, Jesus Christ Superstar,

just start naming anything that was a big seller

in the 70s and I probably owned it.

Tapestry, Carole King, speaking of her,

like I've-

Fleetwood-

Fogelberg.

Yeah, there's gotta be Fogelberg in there.

I can't stand Fogelberg.

I don't necessarily either.

Until he died and then I started listening to some,

I was like, actually, this guy's not so bad after all.

It's not, but it was so,

I think I posted on Facebook the other day,

you couldn't walk by a Celica in the 70s

and not hear Fogelberg.

I bet.

But I got Fleetwood Mac Rumors, you know, all the classics.

I got all the classics that I would never purchase myself.

Pigfoy the Wall, I mean, the whole,

with the pullout poster and everything,

so I've got all those.

So when I was working at Record Bar in 1979,

The Wall came out, Michael Jackson's Thriller came out,

and what was the other one?

I mean, three of the-

That's an exciting day at the record store now.

Three of the biggest albums of all time.

Oh yeah.

Yeah, amazing.

Thriller should have been on my list and it's top 10.

Along those lines, and it's funny you say that,

because I was such a music snob,

I couldn't stand them at the time

because they were so popular,

but now Back in Black is one of the best albums of all time.

Yeah, I know you've really had a late life resurgence

with ACDC.

It's just perfect.

It's a perfect record from start to finish,

so it's definitely on my list.

Marvin Gaye's What's Going On is another.

Those three, to me, everybody should have

in their collection.

To me, there's no argument.

I don't think there's any ACDC

in that old inherited collection,

and I know there's not.

What's the last one you just said?

Well, The Beatles, Marvin Gaye, and-

Marvin Gaye, and there's not Marvin Gaye.

I don't have-

Oh man, you gotta have those.

Marvin, What's Going On was top five

on the Rolling Stone top albums of all time.

Really?

It jumped to number one last year.

It kicked the Beatles down a notch.

It's so good.

It's perfect.

Rolling Stone needed some extra engagement that week.

Yeah, those lists are so funny

because REM used to be on it,

and then nobody talks about REM anymore.

I mean, it all depends on who's making the list.

The age-old thing here with engagement,

designed discussion is a list.

Correct.

Nothing will get, our buddy here, local guy,

Sean Phipps, he used to be in media around here.

I didn't quite think about this way.

I talked to him one day, he was like,

five best or whatever, pick three,

pick two of the worst, put them on there,

throw them out there, and let them just ravage it.

I don't know, I thought I was smarter than that.

I thought I would have guessed that already,

but that's a great, yeah.

He's 100%.

After the list up on purpose,

so you get everybody mad.

People can't resist to leave a comment.

I know. That's right.

Started up, and so I've got,

just to put something current,

and because it's a Bonnaroo,

My Morning Jacket's golden,

their live album from the, what, 2004,

in the rain show.

That is, I'm glad you mentioned it.

I knew that had to be on your list, yeah.

Yeah, it's a great album, and I'm so glad to have it.

See, that's a perfect example of a record

that I do need to own, that I don't need to listen to.

I mean, I've heard it, but I need that in a frame somewhere

with my Bonnaroo stuff, because that is,

I wasn't at that show.

Jim James holding up the V guitar.

I won't lie and say I was there.

I certainly could get away with that lie if I want to.

I wasn't, but I've certainly heard

and watched the whole show many times.

And that's one of my favorite interviews that we did.

You remember, Russ, him talking about.

Me too.

If lightning hit him and killed him right then,

he'd be okay with it.

What a powerful, powerful story.

Yeah, I remember that,

and that was good when you guys had him.

And I'm gonna go with, I wrote down,

because I didn't think about Edith Peach,

but man, that's a good one.

It's just such a beautiful record, you know?

And classically awesome from the 70s,

but it's just such a beautiful looking record.

It defines an era.

It's, you can't put that on and not.

I wish I had it out here.

You transport it.

Those who don't know when you open it up,

it's just that entire ethos of the mushrooms

and the trippiness of the Southern rock.

It's like best laid out in an artwork form from Edith Peach.

It's perfect.

I also had on my list,

the Pretender's first record,

because it also is perfect.

It's hard to imagine that those,

Edith Peach was such an early defining album for those guys,

but the Pretender's record was the same.

But my fifth is Miles Davis, Kinda Blue.

I'm putting it on there partly to go back to Russ's,

it's a total nerd thing,

just so I can say I had some jazz on there and you know,

oh, isn't he cool?

I listen to that record all the time.

I have that on CD.

I don't have it in vinyl.

Oh, it's so good.

Yeah.

No, a list is way more than just spit out five names.

Yeah.

So like, yeah, whatever strategy you use,

I'm never gonna knock that game,

knock that hustle.

So there's a good list.

You guys, I knew you would, both surprised me.

I don't, I'm not sure if I surprised anybody with mine,

because it's pretty straightforward,

but ask me again tomorrow, I'll come up with another five.

It'll change.

Yeah, it could change depending on,

yeah, just your mood, what day it is,

what time of year it is.

It's fluid, but that's great.

This is a good one.

I'm gonna go with the Blue.

I'm gonna go with the Blue.

I'm gonna go with the Blue.

I'm gonna go with the Blue.

I'm gonna go with the Blue.

This brings up a,

an often asked question of maybe the last 25 years,

or 50, or however long, as this has slowly moved away,

the idea of crafting and developing an album,

a record, a LP of one to 10, 12 songs.

I'm not saying concept albums,

because those are different,

but that art form is, it isn't gone,

but boy, it isn't prevalent in music today.

I mean, just the options of people will just have put it

out there and discussed in forums,

singles, songs, every, once every month and a half,

or a full album at once.

It's almost like the Netflix or the cable TV model.

What do you want?

I miss, yeah, I miss terribly the idea of an album

being listened to and understood from front to back,

because even if they're not concept albums,

there's something there that ties them together,

even on their worst day.

So again, Vanity,

so for 37 years, I wrote entertainment

for the Chattanooga Times Free Press.

I would often interview musicians,

and they would often,

the reason I would be talking to them is

because they just had a new record out.

And that was one of my questions, Brian, was,

did you go in with a dozen songs already written?

You knew what you were gonna do,

or did you go into the studio and just go or see

where it went?

And if it was see where it went,

it was, my next question was,

at what point did you realize there was some commonality?

Were the songs, did you go in, were you mad?

Was it happy, was it break up, whatever?

At what point did you realize-

When did the tone of the album start to come to that?

Yeah, and that was always an interesting question.

It's a very different answer

from a lot of different peoples.

And sometimes, I mean,

it is just a collection of 12 songs.

Sometimes it is, this is being sent to Mix and Mastering,

and we'll let you know which 10 we choose.

Exactly.

Yeah, and we just had to have 12

because that's what the label said

we had to have to make an album.

And then some other times it would be like,

there's a theme.

Yeah, and there's four songs we had to cut

because of time and content.

Those are usually if you're-

I'm fascinated.

I've always been fascinated by that.

Yeah, but I guess the simpler question just was,

and it's not even a question, just thought,

is it's just disappointing to me

that that's not a focus for almost any band.

And it's not because I would believe and guess

that the artists out there are moving away from it

as much as their A&R guy is having to move away from it

and the machine is saying, that ain't important.

Don't worry about that.

Let's just pump out music and let's do it every other week

or let's put them all out today or let's change it up.

It's less about a story and more about a production piece.

That ain't new either.

Yeah, I agree.

In digital consumption, which I'm not a big fan of,

even though I do it all the time,

it's just a different thing.

You curate your own lists and all that.

Now we're in a whole new discussion of lists.

All right, so I'm gonna leave with a song

and I sent it to Russ and I sent it to Brian.

I don't know if you guys remember mixtapes

when they were really mixtapes.

Of course, I still have mixtapes.

I know.

Some from back in the day.

Back, back, back in the day,

that was how people shared music.

You can find it all-

Especially with the girl you wanted to hook up with.

Correct.

And so, for somebody to come in with like,

oh my God, you're not gonna believe this.

I just burned you a copy.

And so what I've sent and you guys are gonna hear,

just a quick history.

There was a guy named Blowfly

that when I was working at the record bar

in East Gate Mall back in the 70s,

Blowfly was the nastiest, dirtiest thing going.

Blowfly.

I'm pretty sure if he didn't invent rap,

he gets a lot of credit for it.

He was one of the first.

It was disgusting.

There's a documentary out there

and apparently when he was a kid picking cotton,

literally, the white guys would give him a dollar

or a quarter or whatever

and he would just say the most disgusting things

and they thought it was hilarious.

He developed that and he became a truck driver

and he used to make these mix tapes

of these disgusting raps that he would do.

And you would go to a truck stop

and you would get these bootleg mix tapes.

So that's Blowfly.

So, and Russ, I was so glad to hear you say,

I remember 30 or so years ago,

my friend gave me a mix tape,

I mean a VHS tape of Larry the Dick Man.

Yeah, Larry Williams.

Larry Williams, the Dick Man.

This is all new to me, by the way.

Anybody out there?

D-IC-K-E?

We're together on not knowing what any of this is.

Larry the Dick Man.

He's giving directions to these people in a band.

Yeah, so well, they're not in a band,

they're making a documentary.

They were making a documentary

and they asked for directions.

So they were in a city they were not familiar with,

they decided to stop and ask for directions

because they were trying to find something.

This guy walks up and he was just so-

A savant.

He's like, you go to this traffic light and you stop

and then you go to the next traffic light

and then you go to the next traffic light.

I'll tell you what to do.

We're going down to this Motel 6.

Oh, oh, easy.

I'll tell you what to do.

Okay.

Okay, everywhere you gotta go.

Okay, you get to this yield sign, right?

Yeah, right.

You go down to that first light right there.

Okay, you go through that first light.

Okay, when you get to the second light,

it's an intersection.

One way go this way, it's a trick intersection.

One way go this way,

one way go straight through like this

and another way just go straight period.

Okay, when you get to that second light,

you take that bend, you take the light that bends.

To the left.

Well, I guess that'll be to the left.

Going down here, that'll be to the-

It's not the one that goes straight.

That'll be to the left.

That'll be to the left.

You take the bend to the left.

All right.

You come to a library to the left.

Another light.

It's hard to describe,

but they were just so blown away with this dude

that they just picked up the camera and started recording.

And this is probably what, 92?

You said 30 years ago.

And when you said that today, I blew my mind

because I was like,

seemed like it was 10 years ago, but yeah.

Oh gosh.

It goes back a long ways.

And in the days before the internet and YouTube,

when you could just pull up any video ever,

this is how you shared it.

I mean, people would make copies of this VHS tape

and it just got passed around.

And it was almost like an event, like,

oh my God, I just got this Larry Williams tape.

Do you wanna come over and watch it?

Have you seen it? Yeah.

And my VHS also has the farting preacher.

Okay.

Yeah, that was another one that got spread around.

Well, I am as of today, unfortunately.

And now listen to this.

You go a little further.

You get the one, God's for you.

You get, he's with you.

And then the last biggie, God's in you.

Man.

So these tapes went like so underground and just-

Oh my God.

Bands would share them.

I mean, that's how I got it was music band,

musicians that I knew, they would share them.

I mean, they had, you know, all those hours in a van.

So that's what they would do.

And they just dubbed the tapes.

Dubbed the tapes and it would, yeah.

And your copy is probably a copy of a copy of a copy

that somebody's dubbed and given away.

And it's the quality is awful.

You can barely watch it.

100%.

But that was the only way you could see some of this stuff.

And I took it to the paper and showed it.

I mean, people were tears.

I mean, it was just so, you know,

if you had it, you were the coolest guy, man.

You had the tape.

Yeah, and it was almost like a competition

to see who could get the coolest collection of-

Correct.

Underground skate videos or tapes or whatever.

All that is to lead into the song,

the Christmas song that I'm gonna leave you guys with.

It's my gift, Oh Holy Night.

It's the worst version ever done.

It was a mixtape that my brother, Bob,

again, another musician got passed around,

passed around, passed around.

You know, the legend was that it was real.

There's since been a documentary,

the guy who actually sings it is a very, very good singer

who did this as a joke.

Just making a goof, yeah.

But it will bring tears to your eyes.

Yeah, 20 years ago, the gag was one of the

guys at the radio station I was working at

did it when he got drunk one night over the weekend.

Yeah.

Like just made up this whole story about it.

And yeah, so it's got a lot of lore

in a lot of people's lives somewhere,

whether you know it or not.

I love it.

And it's kind of, you know, it loses something.

Cause like you said, Russ,

you can find all this stuff now on the internet,

but back in the day, if you had that copy, man,

you had something nobody else did.

Yeah, you had something nobody else had.

So, yeah.

Anything else before we go?

No.

Well, I do want to.

Yeah, go ahead.

There he is, he always has, he has like three of them.

Here it comes.

Well, and I just, you know, just for the engagement bait

that we were kind of talking about,

leave a comment on Spotify or YouTube,

wherever you're hearing this and tell us your top five.

You know, I'm sure everyone has some good ideas.

Yeah, yeah, that'd be great.

Your top five, maybe what you're listening to,

where you listen to us, what you think about

like the different formats and the different, you know,

it just, if you're bored over the holidays, whatever,

or just none of it, none of the above, that's fine too.

Go hang out with your family and friends, you know.

I would say limit it to vinyl though.

I think that's key.

Sure.

If you can.

Yeah, because if you start talking CDs and tapes.

Yeah, it gets all, it's gotta be vinyl.

But, yeah, we love all the comments.

Please continue to, you know, to tell us what you think.

And yeah, just going back to the Spotify rap thing.

It's been a wild year for all of us

and just happy that we have so many people that are fans

and like to listen and we love reaching out.

Yeah, Spotify is, I mean, if you don't,

if you're, you know, in between trying to figure out

a good place to consume audio and visual,

I mean, I just think Spotify is king.

I just, I think it's great.

I love it.

I mean, I know they don't pay their, you know,

I know all the stuff.

I know all the stuff, right?

All the headline, Twitter, tweets, I get it.

It's still a hell of an interface and it really works well.

I love Spotify, so.

It does and they add all kinds of new features all the time.

And it's a constant, yeah.

It's a constant upgrade and it never feels like

when your favorite thing gets upgraded and you're like,

God damn it, I gotta spend the day, you know,

your email gets reshuffled or something.

Right, right. Yeah.

And you always figure it out.

You always will, cause we always have,

but it's still frustrating.

They constantly tweet, they constantly have updates

and I never look at it and be like,

well, they ruined Spotify for me today.

It's just, to me, it's the king of distribution apps,

even though they screw over everybody

that they supposedly help.

So, you know, take that for what it's worth.

Well, they're certainly not paying us.

No, they're not.

No, they're not.

All right, so we're gonna take some time off.

I don't know how much, actually,

if Bonnaroo comes out with something

then we have to jump back on, we'll jump back on,

but we're definitely gonna take at least a week,

maybe two weeks off and wished you guys a Merry Christmas,

have a great holiday.

Agree, agree, agree. Got an exciting year.

We've got a exciting year in front of us.

Great year and 25's looking, well, music-wise.

Music-wise, thanks.

25's looking good.

Let's re-clarify.

Only talk about festivals.

Yeah.

We'll leave the rest of it out.

Unless y'all want it.

No, I'm kidding.

No, no.

Of course not, I'm kidding.

See you guys.

See y'all.

["Holy Night"]