No, no, no, man. Hey, I told you, I thought country on Thursday was a good idea.

I thought that was a good idea. And I told you, you know, I didn't think it was a good idea to get her, but Coachella's already got it.

So, you know, if you want to do that, that's fine. My biggest thing is that Sunday Night Act.

I mean, he's been dead like three years.

But if you guys, you know, if you still have him under contract and you think the AI thing is going to work, that's fine.

But I just don't know, man. I mean, he's been dead. But OK. Oh, oh, oh, hey, hey, hey, we're doing the show here.

Sorry. Get out of the comments. Sorry, man. Let me hang up. Let me hang up. But yeah, I've been doing Reddit here.

How are you guys? Podcast. Podcast. I'm Barry. That's Brian. That's Russ. I'm so excited.

We have so much to talk about, including.

Rumors, rumors, rumors, rumors. We don't do them, but man, this week has been rumors, rumors, rumors.

I think we're going to have to break that rule. We're going to have to break it a little bit.

It's fine. We also got some news, news, news. Actual news.

Where's my papers? Where's our stone? You're always good at that. Where's the papers? Oh, yeah, I don't.

I got notes. I got them on my phone.

Let me hurry up, guys. Get on it. Get on it.

All right, guys. How are you? How are you both?

Oh, I'm doing absolutely great. I love Thanksgiving week and we're here.

And I really do. I enjoy the holidays. I really do enjoy this week, too, man.

And just real quick, because I said we would. What a great day we had a week ago. Right.

Oh, man. Yeah, that was so cool.

If you guys have not seen our episode where we go to the cavern and talk to Todd Mayo, please look it up.

That was so much fun. I'm still giddy about it.

Oh, I couldn't have had a more enjoyable time.

And I wondered, you know, I don't know if the show is the best thing we've ever done, but I had a hell of a day.

Right. Like it was just fine.

And honestly, I'm going to say something weird here in reference to that.

Well, you just did already. You said you had a hell of a day.

So you've already. And I like Thanksgiving, too.

So like I'm all over it. I'm so positive today. Right.

But there was almost a level of comfort from the jump with Todd and that entire just environment.

Yeah. It was there was such a comfort level that I got almost too comfortable

and was just like, we're just yucking it up around a barn, a bonfire or something.

And the next day I'm like, oh, my God, there's like five things we already talked about one of them,

but like five things I could have really gone down the road.

But I was just too immersed in having just a chit chat like the and I'll just give you the one thing that stuck out to me

the most in my head that I thought of something I wish I would have gone with as far as I know we wouldn't have answered the question

completely. Well, I don't know. My guess is he would have danced around it.

But the infrastructure that they have in place at the Caverns in a short period of time with Todd Mayo as the leader of this of this entire thing,

there's no chance Live Nation isn't sniffing around every few months.

Hey, do you want to sell this? Add it to the portfolio or music or some subsidiary

like, I don't know, music marathon music works in Nashville or something like somebody is saying, can we purchase this from you, please?

You know, that's come around and that's what they do.

That's how they got so big. They buy everything up.

So I would have loved to have known the answer to that.

And it would have I can already probably frame the answer now.

But anyway, long way from them saying wonderful.

Wonderful. Yeah, it was so cool.

And what I mean, I told well, I told some folks from C3, I said, please listen to this.

I said, he's a great interview. And Brian, you and I talked about it.

And Russ, when we were standing in the parking lot, he's kind of like the guy from Subaru, your friend.

He understands he understands Patrick. Patrick understands how to do a good interview.

I mean, right. I mean, it was just so much fun.

Well, he understands how to build a music venue out of a hole in the ground,

how to write books that actually sell and inspire and create music destination festivals

and television programming and streaming on live radio.

The guy kind of understands a lot. Yeah.

So that was cool. It was a lot of fun.

But we have a lot to get to. You both have had busy, busy weeks.

I'm sort of Russ. I'm. Let's where do we start?

Russ went up to Nashville for a bond.

Yeah, let's paint. Let's start there.

You want to start back with Bonnaroo News with True Roo and all that, which we'll get to that.

Let's start with the takeover in Nashville, because I'm sure it is in Nashville.

Yeah. And this and you went to my to the only area of Nashville that I am very familiar with.

And I was like, man, that's my brother lives like 10 minutes away.

You would have loved it. It was awesome. All right. Where was it at?

So this is a place called Rosemary and Beauty Queen.

This is a bar, I guess, in like East Nashville. Yeah.

East nasty is the name. Some of us could say they get a little irritated by that.

But awesome spot.

This is a place that's like obviously just an old house that somebody converted into a bar.

And there's a huge building with the bar inside out back.

There's a huge patio. There's another bar back there.

And then on top of that, there's a rooftop bar with you feel like you're sitting up in a tree house.

All the trees are up there. The bar there is actually rope swings that you sitting on when you sit down at the bar.

So where? Super cool. Yeah.

Yeah, it kind of felt like we're in the woods. So Bonnaroo did a takeover of this entire place.

This was, I guess, Corey's idea because he was the one that was there running it.

Corey Smith, friend of the show. Corey Smith, the marketing guy.

So this was official. Point that out. This was a Bonnaroo meetup.

But it was more than just a bunch of like us people.

Yes. Super last minute. I think they announced this, what, Thursday?

It was last minute. Just like two or three days ahead of time.

So like, you know, it may be that I don't know if they were expecting, you know, not a lot of people would show up, but it was huge.

So, you know, this happened yesterday, Saturday.

And so I was like, I feel like I should go. I mean, you guys should have gone to.

So what they were the spicy pie was there. Free spicy pie.

And it was free. That's pretty awesome. We got a couple of slices of that.

This was it was actually it wasn't the official spicy pie.

It was spicy pie provided by there's a little local pizzeria nearby that they they got them from.

Inspired by inspired. It was pepperoni and jalapeno.

We all know we talked about this. The spicy pie thing is a little bit of lore.

I mean, it's pretty good. It's it's it's fine.

If it's free, two o'clock in the morning, just give me a big New York style.

It's going to hit. Exactly. Give me some New York style pizza.

I'll take it every day. So yeah, I got to hang out with Corey, met a lot of people that are fans of the show.

Shout out to all them. Yeah. Hang out with J.B., our buddy J.B.

Who else? Celia from Rue Fitness saw her.

Met. Oh, shout out to Nick with he's with the Bonnaroo Works Fund.

Huge fan of the show. Thank you for listening. And we'd love to get him on at some point and talk about that.

Yeah. Got planned for next year. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

You mentioned Common John, the brewery down in Manchester.

Right. I did meet John from Common John. I was like, are you the Common John?

He was like, I'm a John. Was he common or was he a little expert?

He was. He seemed common enough.

Talked to him. He did confirm that Common John is going to do another beer next year.

They loved what they put out last year and looking forward to doing that again.

I would just implore I would implore them to make a different style of beer this this go round.

That that peach wheat thing was a little out there.

But the can, as we've all talked about, was beautiful.

It's still sitting over with my Bonnaroo junk and it always will.

Even though all the arguments was, well, I yeah, maybe it looks awesome.

It's amazing. It's so beautiful.

The waterfalls and rainfalls or whatever it is. So how many folks and people were there, Russ?

It was probably I mean, the place was packed.

And, you know, since it's different areas, you know, you had people inside, you had people outside, you had people on the roof.

You had people in different bars. I mean, there was probably 100 or so people there.

Wow. Easy. Now, whether they were all there for the Bonnaroo takeover, who knows?

Because it is, you know, it's neat.

East Nashville on a Saturday night is going to have a lot of hipsters out all the way around, which is why I love the area so much.

Oh, yeah. I want to shout out Sparkle City Disco.

This is a DJ duo out of Nashville. They were playing music all night long.

And I can confirm they will be at Bonnaroo as well.

So that kind of stuff. There's a little news.

And we're going to try to do one in Chattanooga, right?

You you ask Cory about doing one here.

I talked to Cory. I said, you know, this is awesome.

What if what if we put something like this on in Chattanooga?

And Cory said, I would love to let's plan it and get something down.

So I want to be careful that we weren't PBR drunk planning in East Nashville.

Right. Taco. Right.

Like, it's fun to talk about having a big Bonnaroo party.

It's a lot of work to actually do it.

I agree. But I am I am for the idea.

Well, if we put something together, Cory will bring, you know, they had the big inflatable arch out front.

They'll bring that. I mean, they'll bring. Did they?

Did they start to interrupt? Did they have any special like come here and raffle something away or maybe an entry for you?

An entry for ticket giveaways.

Was there any kind of incentive outside of just, hey, you like Bonnaroo come hang out with other people like Bonnaroo?

That was pretty much it. The main draw was they didn't really have giveaways.

Well, they did have he had some leftover merch.

I guess he just 20 20 bandanas. Does he still have 20 20 bandanas?

Yeah, they had the easiest thing to come by.

It's a 20 20 bandana. They were giving away lots of stuff.

Take three. Yeah, take all you want.

I still see the people we know. I can't.

The names are escaping me now when they're shooting other things around or whatever capacity they're working.

And there's that 20 20 bandana wrapped around everything.

I love it. That's funny.

So the other big draw they had was this mailbox. And I sent you a picture of it.

Yeah. So this is a postcards to Roo.

They had these postcards, which I got one here. What a good idea.

Postcard mailbox. Yeah.

This is a fabulous idea. Yeah.

Did it look like Christmas?

Yeah. Your theory of where this comes from, Tago.

Well, we had a nut butter mailbox for years. Still do.

Yeah. And kind of similar things.

So, you know, I had to give Corey a hard time about that.

Well, I love it because we've Bonnaroo's copied us.

Copyed us a couple of times when I say us more, y'all with me, kind of like an ancillary.

But that reminds me. And that's why I wore this gear.

I love it. Oh, yeah. It's awesome.

This is this is 10 years ago here in Chattanooga with our buddy jerk friend, but love him to death, Brad Steiner.

The Bonnaroo lineup announcement megathon, blam, that was done across the country in many, many markets.

And there was a lot they Bonnaroo put a lot into this. It was kind of it wasn't that cool, actually.

I mean, it was a bit it was fun, but it was really kind of gimmicky and goofy.

I think Weird Al had a lot to do with some of the some of the some of that.

The headpiece where he was like, I love Weird Al, but I don't really need him on this.

But the turnout we had and that was we nothing. That was a Brad and radio station promotion.

Radio station promotions are going to be a hell of a lot more more reach than than something that's as niche as what we do.

But that doesn't that doesn't mean we can't do it. But it was a nice turnout.

It was a lot of fun. There's Elton John year and they were announcing the lineup in waves throughout the night.

It's a lot of fun. We're not going to be able to do anything like that, but we certainly could do something.

We can certainly put on something similar to a hangout in Nashville. Yeah. Yeah.

Just to hang out and along those lines. And we still haven't figured out the details, but we have tickets to give away.

Yeah, we've got time to figure that out. Yeah.

Still figuring it out. But we let's not get too off track. So these postcards, you would fill them out and a desk you, you know, favorite room memory or just something, you know, anything.

And then you drop it in the mailbox and I asked Cory, what are we going to what are you planning to do with all this?

And they're not even sure yet. He said we might pick some of these and show them on the screens between sets.

He said we might paper some of them up on a fence line somewhere so you can walk by and read them.

They're still dreaming up stuff for this thing. But no, that's a great idea because it's going to get it more for more for the person who who participates than the random person walking down the street.

And but but the the word of, hey, my thing is on this thing. Check it out.

We'll also spread around and my buddy and this guy and hey, look like that's a really cool and inexpensive, simple, no postcards.

Yeah, I like that. Love that idea. Yeah. So and then one last thing I have some news to share from Cory.

He and his wife are expecting a baby girl. Congratulations, man. Congrats. That's awesome.

I hope your your festival, your festival career aspirations don't die.

I know. Your world just changed, my friend.

No more Bonnaroo meets up for you in East Nashville, buddy. I'll see you in June and then never again.

Because isn't Cory a Knoxville guy? Cory is a Knoxville guy. Yeah, yeah. So he traveled for that.

God bless. Yeah. And he said he would travel to Chattanooga if we put one on there, too.

Well, I would say real quick, especially since we got this news and the clock's ticking,

Cory, we're not doing it unless you come down here and do it with us because we need some guidance here.

And you seem to be the guy who's got, you know, these ideas together better than us.

We kind of have to throw them against the wall. So he said they're super.

I still got more. They're super pleased with the pre-sale so far.

He feels like all of the core Bonnaroo people have really come out and supported and bought tickets and are spreading the word.

He feels like just Bonnaroo is back in a big way.

This is kind of a continuation on from last year when they talked about the Renaissance.

Well, let's just say based on the pre-show meeting that he had a lot of positive things to say about the pre-sale.

The early goings on of the pre-sale that the numbers are making them very, very happy.

And we won't put it because it wasn't all on the record of what he said.

But I think it's fair enough to say they are happy, very happy.

Yeah, we can share that. They're very happy.

He did confirm Tipper is going to be on the lineup.

And, you know, that was the festival leak that came out a few days ago.

So that is true. Yeah, come back to that in a minute for a couple of minutes.

Not going to be a headliner, though, just to be clear.

That is, you know, he's on the lineup, but there's still that, you know, mystery Thursday headliner spot that we don't really.

Well, that's the natural place to think that that's where an artist like that might show up.

But maybe not. And, you know, I looked around, asked a few people, our guy, Brad, being one of them, like, what do you think about this?

Where would you slot it? And anywhere from a Thursday night headliner to a tent show and a other late night or something?

Yeah, I'm assuming it's going to be on the other.

I don't think it's, you know, on the main stage or anything like that.

But who knows? We can touch back on that a minute.

So what are you? You want to wrap up? I'm afraid to I'm afraid to talk every time I do.

No, I mean, it's a rust takeover of the show. Let's go. He's killing me.

It was just so much going on. No, I love that you did. I love you.

Yeah. Fun to hang out with JB.

Totem is in fact planning their own little party there at that same location in January.

The Totem Foundation that was started by Daniel and Sharla and, you know, got a bunch of people involved now.

So, you know, probably probably an opportunity to go back if you want to check it out here in a few months.

Yeah. Look up. If you don't know what we're talking about, Totem, they have their own website.

You can do a search there. I'm on that board. Actually, Totem.

The idea is to basically introduce music festivals as a way of life for young people.

It's a really cool thing.

And you know what? I will say what I've noticed a little bit, guys, is that Bonnaroo is starting to do something a little similar.

I'd have to pull it up. But these these helping students to get into into the festival and into the in different aspects.

And I was like, I bet Daniel and them over there like, wasn't that kind of our idea first?

Bonnaroo knows they're not ashamed. No, no.

They steal ideas from us, from Totem.

I want to come back to that. Yeah.

Yeah, that's where I was going to go when Russ interrupted me again for interrupting him.

So let's do that. And along those lines real quick, if you haven't listened, the RooHamm guys have a great episode.

If you're into rumor and who might be Cohen, give a shout out to Jake and Parker and Michael.

Really, really good episode. I love those guys.

So again, now bringing it back to Russ, because I can tell you're not done.

I see you looking at your list. I think I got it all.

OK. What I was going to say was, again, this fact that you ran into Corey.

He and Brad are everywhere.

If you guys are at all into festivals and don't think that people are listening, am I saying that right?

They're everywhere. They have been so busy this week answering questions, reaching out.

I mean, it's pretty amazing. It's pretty cool.

Well, the way I'll look at that and dissect it super fast is that between those two guys, first,

Brad's got a style we've talked about and it's very, I guess captivating is the right word.

It grabs your attention regardless if you like what he's saying or not.

And it's a little theatrical. He just knows what he's doing.

And so having him so immersed in the socials and talking and chatting with people when it's not an AMA,

ask me anything on Reddit like that gets set up for a specific spend an hour asking anything.

Is Bonnaroo Brad on the Discord?

Yeah. Is that him? That's him.

By the way, I'm on Discord.

That's another example of how plugged in he is.

I'm on Discord, everybody, by the way. Can we shut up about that?

All right. So but I scanned through it and I was like Bonnaroo Brad is really in deep with a lot of these conversations,

very civil and very informative. And then Corey is a real pragmatic, simple, like keep it to the point,

not screwing around, no nonsense, but still very get along with everybody.

I'm a friendly, agreeable type. And so you put those two and Brad's a little,

I would say closer to Brad Parker, more to a disagreeable-ish type.

But in a fun way, just meaning there's a little yin yang there between the two of us.

He likes checking the cage.

Yeah, that's what I meant by a little disagreeing.

I think it's fun. Great fun.

Oh, I do too. I do too. So I think the two of them being so involved is really a good move,

whether it's just done because they want to do it or it's done because it was mandated to do it.

I don't know, but it's working. I think it's working.

And I wanted to point that out because we've gotten several on our Discord,

but even private either DMs or emails from people who was like, oh my God, they actually responded.

I had a problem and I got a message from them, you know, or directly.

So yeah, the days of saying we don't pay attention to this stuff is over.

Yeah, because we all knew you were lying. Not you, you, not them.

Just the well, we don't pay attention to that. You're lying. You do.

Yeah, we all do. Now, I know if your your mentions are so deep, you can't get to all of them.

I mean, that's a problem I don't have. So I get that can happen.

But but yeah, they're responsive and it's a really, really good. It's just a really good look.

It's a good thing. And it's it's double illustrated, Russ, with your night last night.

I mean, you go to Nashville and you're hanging with the dude.

I'm hanging with Corey. Yeah.

Well, now I want to do one here more than ever. And we got the perfect spot.

We just mentioned in the pre show meeting earlier, just as an idea.

But, you know, there's always that anxiety of throwing a party.

I don't want to throw a party that I don't know that we don't RSVP to come on.

Like, I don't know. But if we if we do it at our local place, it's just down the street for most of us.

Yeah, if we just us three show up, I don't care.

Nobody else shows up.

Well, the Delta nine seltzer and a murder and a murder.

And it's a good night. So right.

Yeah. Corey confirmed to me, he said, they're they're looking 20 years out, not just Bonnaroo.

They want to keep this thing going as long as possible, not just the festival, but Corey and Brad.

They love this job. They want to keep doing it as long as they can.

Well, he should have considered that when he chased his wife down, because his life is just about over.

So, you know, you sound like me, Mary.

I've been there, dude. I know what's coming.

He doesn't. But you know that you got out on the other side.

I am. He's exactly right. Yeah, it's good knowing you, Corey.

Good to see you, man.

My concern, my concerns when I say stuff like that is I don't know if he'll ever come out on the other side.

I know you did. Yeah. Well, yeah, it takes a minute.

It's funny. No, I'm happy for them. That's awesome.

Oh, it is awesome. What a fun night.

There's been a lot of news as far as like ticket sales.

We mentioned that they're doing well. Yeah.

We can spend a minute or two on this. There's a couple of things.

There's a couple of things I'd like to talk about here, but just because of the temperature of the Reddit room and the other rooms that I looked at.

And I only scan this stuff. I don't read everything that happens, but I try to get a good enough read on the pulse.

And tickets sales are good from what we're told, but they're still convoluted.

And this is just a new world we live in and it's just kind of hard to know for sure immediately what you're looking at, what you're doing, the add-ons, all these different things.

But the biggest thing that stuck out to me, which I think is a major change, but maybe it's not as a major change as I thought, the reentry automobile fee that has not really, I haven't got the exact specifics of how it works.

But so effectively on the farm, park your car. You need to leave to go to the gas station, to go to Starbucks, to go to Walmart, to go home, which I've done countless times, drive an hour home and back.

They're going to charge either a flat fee for maybe an unlimited pass to come in and out or a single per time you leave.

Obviously what the reason here is to discourage anybody from leaving and to devil's advocate the whole thing and just say, okay, I hear you.

It's probably not that safe to have cars just whenever they feel like driving around through the campgrounds, coming and going, passing off their pass.

Hey, I'm leaving on Tuesday, which people are still going to do that.

And then you just charge them. You know, you make a couple extra bucks and they'll bring a car in with the with a camping tag.

That kind of stuff's going to happen. They're not locking you in. They just want to discourage it.

They want to discourage it. And the best way to discourage it is to charge people, charge them and make money.

I don't really have a problem with this, but it's it's a 20 year change.

Yeah, it's a 20 year. Here's how this goes.

It almost be like moving the arch to the other side of the farm.

It's always been over there. Well, we think it'd be better over here.

Well, maybe it will be. But like, you know, it's still a shock to the system of people who want to run out and have have a good system.

Because some people, you know, you've done this for years.

No matter where you're camping, you know how to position your car where you can get in and get out.

You can be gone before anybody knows you're gone.

And you can come back with 10 bags of ice, a couple of coffees and make everybody's morning a delight when they wake up to ice and coffee that you could do on the farm somewhere.

You could walk around and maybe get a coffee and maybe get some ice.

But not really. Not the way you want to.

That's a big part of the festival that really is a luxurious option to be able to keep.

I mean, ice is king. Ice is gold bars. Ice is, you know, and cold drinks.

I mean, you guys have been out in GA.

I didn't think you could leave if you were in GA.

I just thought it was just us and the guest and whatever that could leave.

No, you can come and go. Yeah, you can come and go.

I don't know. I don't know what.

I mean, I just packed you in your all the camping sites that I've ever seen.

You were you were in there was. Yeah, sir.

I don't really see how you could leave. Right.

Certainly, certainly majority of those when you're walking through the GA and you're never going to see the majority of them because it's four or six hundred acres.

But there are people's cars become part of their right of their their entire setup.

And a lot of those people aren't probably leaving, but plenty do.

I mean, I've had satellite camps where I was staying with people in the last five, six years.

Came a little late, met up with them, sent a bunch of stuff, and then those cars were coming and going every time.

Every time that's just because the other the other thing that and they've done this to us.

You guys are aware they've tried to limit us to how many cars vehicles they've tried to say, can the three of you come in in one car?

Well, that's what they're trying to do with the carpooling in there.

Now, I don't I don't we need to probably get Brad on to talk about it.

I don't know why that's such a big deal.

There's plenty of space.

It seems to me anyway, it's not like 80,000 people are bringing in 80,000 vehicles or maybe they are.

So I don't quite understand why in the last three, four, five years, this has become such a big deal.

But it certainly is.

If you do reenter, part of it is you got to get searched again, which means that that's more manpower.

Clogs up the line of people still trying to come in for the first time.

So, yeah, I mean, I guess there's logistically it's tough to let and it's unbridled capitalism here.

They want to make a couple of extra bucks.

It's a way to do it.

It's a way to do it.

I mean, you know, the other thing is they're doing single single day tickets.

So that's, you know, cars coming in and out.

So I don't know.

I really am can I haven't thought about it too, too much as to why this is such a big issue.

Kind of a foreign concept to me to actually leave.

Once I get in and I'm set up, you know, I can't leave the bus.

Well, I'm not the driver once it's set up.

I'll give you. I have never left.

The moment I got on the moment I went home, it changed.

It takes the magic.

Burst the bubble.

Burst the bubble.

I don't know.

I've had a few of those.

I've been in charge of some of those runs.

I get it.

I get it.

I understand that, you know, sometimes you do need to leave and it's important and it's good to get out there glorious.

I'm glad to get the ice and the aspirin and medicine.

And yeah, and it's it's super easy.

But I the way I guess to advocate on the side of I wish it would be the way it's always been is that we have created.

They we collectively the Bonnaroo spirit, the Bonnaroo brass on down to the attendee.

This is a city.

You know, this is a city that we live in temporarily.

And many people, most people, I wish everybody would take that very seriously, like from your neighbors and how you operate and how you handle yourself and how your patience levels work and all those things.

And part of me, part of that orbit was if we really need something, I can just get out of here and go get it and and and be back before you even knew I was gone.

That comes to me along with the idea of we've created a city that we don't people don't create cities where you're not allowed to leave.

So that's Truman show.

That's a tell.

That's a movie.

Like real life is we're in a city.

We're all in this together.

And I need to run to the Wal-Mart.

And that's where I'm going to go.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But so now they're there.

And but they're not saying you can't do that.

They're just saying we're going to charge.

They don't want I mean, Brad said on our discord, we'd rather you don't.

They don't want you to.

It's not a safety thing and total of safety issue.

So but something something has happened to make it be a big deal.

And I don't know.

Yeah, it's probably if it might be nothing more than just overworked toll booth workers.

Could be it could be no more than that.

Could be they don't have to have they don't have to tell us the reason.

That's a great point.

That doesn't have to be information they care to share.

Yeah.

And this is speaking of talking about Blam here locally with our announcement party.

There was also why am I losing my train of thought?

What the hell was I talking about?

I don't know.

Jesus, my bad.

That's talking about Brad and Tori.

So the other some more coffee.

Yeah, we're we're come around.

There's some ticketing things and stuff like that.

You know that there are changes, but nothing.

Oh, let's do let me do one more on that real quick.

OK.

The because I saw a lot of people talking about this last night.

G.A. plus, which is a which is a ticket option, which is now standard across all festivals for the most part.

Yeah, I didn't go to the site last night.

It was late when I was going through the Reddit pages and discord.

The talk is it's three hundred dollars more than the regular G.A.

If that's true anywhere near that number, that's a significant that's a real sit down and think about what you're doing here.

That's not a hundred dollar add on fifty dollar add on.

That's that's basically doubling the price of your ticket.

Yeah, I'm looking at it now.

So G.A. is starts at three eighty nine G.A. plus starts at six ninety five.

OK, so it's more than three hundred three hundred and four dollars.

And so after reading what the amenities were for that, I already knew what they were just from like a periphery hearing about.

If they get bathrooms that are air conditioned trailer types that we're used to in some areas we've been to,

if they get those and they're readily available and they can be used regularly, that's a pretty big perk.

And then there's like several others where you can get some free waters and free cokes if and some of the complaints were,

yeah, but there are areas that are so overcrowded, I can't I don't even want the free coke.

I can't get I can't get to the line to get it.

You know, like that's a very not surprising thing that some people ran into.

But that's anecdotal. Somebody else goes to a place that doesn't have a line, drinks all the free water and has a clean bathroom and a seat out,

which is just a game changer.

I don't want to talk about bathroom habits.

But my God, if you've got one of those trailers where you can it's such a comfortable experience that changes everything.

Yeah, it does. I agree.

Is it worth double the ticket price? That is open for discussion for everybody else.

Well, it does on a Friday night at midnight. And you got to go.

Yeah. Here's my 300.

Yeah, it's a bargain if you consider they also announced this year the Rue Insider Pass starting at twenty six thousand dollars.

Yeah, well, that's got a lot of I mean, that's I have that right here.

You wrote that down. Does that bother you? It doesn't bother me.

It doesn't bother me what I I didn't realize this on my own until I read some more other people talking about it.

And it made all the sense in the world. It's one of those extravagant, eye popping kind of things that just lessers the blow on the realistic stuff.

That's one person's thought. And just like this is one of those marketing tactics.

Buy this crazy thing. Well, no, are you nuts? Oh, well, I guess this one's only three hundred, not twenty six grand.

There's that. And there's also it's the corporate thing.

And I mean, I don't have I'm not going to spend it because I don't have it.

But it doesn't bother me. It certainly doesn't make me mad that they offer it.

No, you know, I think it's silly and I would think anybody who purchased it would be also silly.

But that person's probably so beyond wealthy and powerful in America that I have no idea how to evaluate.

You get your own golf cart. Yeah, there you go.

You get your golf cart. Well, you get me. We get it.

We get a golf cart if we try. Yeah.

But I mean, hey, listen, whatever works for you.

There's sitting at the there's a part of it.

I think I read there was you get to sit in the sound booth.

Right. You know, the soundboard. Yeah.

Does the sound guy know about this yet? Well, yeah, he's probably not going to be happy.

I think the there's the caveat is as long as the band allows it.

Oh, it's like it's like the photo access kind of thing. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That'd be funny.

You know, anyway. But as far as tickets going on sale, that's got most of it for me.

I guess maybe talk about Tipper here for a minute. Yeah.

This this leak, it's a little interesting how it got leaked.

I don't care about these kinds of things.

I don't get a laugh out of it.

I don't want to like pile on and whatever.

But he got the Coachella thing wrong or he, she or they got the Coachella thing wrong a little bit.

And so then there was a ton of backpedaling and then everybody's like, you're an idiot.

Like all this stupid stuff.

Generally, Festival's information is is quite good.

And he's the one who he's the one who got the the Tipper thing out there.

And then we caught a leak. It's not really a leak.

I mean, you know how this works. Yeah.

They fed certain stuff to he's fed what they want him to know.

Yeah. It's just like any other insider reporting from the White House to the club room clubhouse at the, you know, the Philadelphia, the Philadelphia Washington game this weekend.

Same kind of same kind of concept.

And so I start looking at this and I don't really know who Dave Tipper is all that much.

Goes back a long ways.

I thought one of the comments that got a lot of backlash, but I thought a lot of us pretty interesting and funny discourse was from Reddit.

Tipper is just the Grateful Dead of EDM.

People thought that was the most absurd thing they've ever heard or one of the more actually.

Maybe so.

Like this Dave Tipper's legacy inside this versions of music that he didn't really get started doing until the rave 90s takeoff.

The rate like the the my life with the thrill kill cult years and Tracy Lords.

You remember when she got into this kind of stuff for a few minutes and there's two or three others.

And that's when he started doing that more and more coming out of the more 80s synth.

A different version of electronic music.

I like that's not the EDM that anybody recognizes.

But in the 90s, I started to take off.

That's when Tipper did.

He's from England.

I don't know how much presence he's had in the US over the last 30 years.

But but it's a legacy act.

Tipper is a legacy.

I mean, by definition of how we look at legacy acts and how we call that, you know, that buzz terminology, that's what he is.

So then we start talking.

I've asked a few people who know logistics of concerts, Brad Steiner being one of them.

I said, well, candy cap this for me.

Just if you were taking guesses and, you know, pretended like you wanted to be on your own show one of these days.

Tell me about what you think.

And he's at a Thursday headliner makes sense.

An early somewhere else makes sense with a other late night.

I mean, that's kind of stuff we all could mostly agree.

But from what we understand, Taco, and you just had the conversation this weekend that the headliner portion of this for Tipper is not part of the discussion.

So to expect him to headline anywhere is not is not accurate.

Correct.

So that opens up where more debate and rumor and conversation, which I think is good for this time of year.

Yeah, that's fun. But he was real quick, too.

He was on the twenty twenty one lineup.

Did you guys see this? Do you guys?

Yeah, I remember the name.

Yeah, he was on the twenty twenty one lineup on Friday on the second line with the bolder letters on the second line, not of the whole festival of just Friday.

And sorry, I pulled it up. I don't know.

Yeah, just next to deaf tones and glass animals.

So, I mean, it's right behind deaf tones and glass animals on that Friday.

So he already had a pretty good position for the twenty twenty one lineup, which if you go back and look at this, guys, we talk about twenty twenty being good.

Twenty twenty one was really good.

Twenty twenty one to me I thought was better.

I don't know if I'd go that far, but boy, they are.

Well, there's a lot of crossover, too.

Yeah.

By the time it got to twenty two, most of crossover was gone.

So I don't know.

We'll see. I think that's neat.

You know, I want to see where it goes.

I want to dedicate pretty soon.

I've talked to you guys off air a whole episode soon to EDM.

Not just rumors.

I don't want to do rumors, but I want to figure out somehow we can do a whole show on EDM because as we've said on here many, many, many times, it's it's so big.

It's not just one genre.

So many things.

And this is a good example.

So we're going to do that very, very soon.

Oh, it's a huge example.

I'd like to talk.

Somebody knows his career more and know more about it.

I try to do it when you go to the show.

And then come into a show and act like, hey, let me tell you.

Yeah, but you just said it.

It's legacy.

That's yeah, which I think is great because I love legacy.

Exactly.

So all right.

What else you got, Brian?

Well, I wanted to mention just quickly some of the the festival lineups are dropping right.

So fast we can't keep up.

Yeah, like so so much for the festival industry is not holding up right now.

So much for the you know, everybody's canceling and and maybe they're in trouble.

I mean, yeah, some have fallen off.

There's so many I won't get into the weeds of the smaller ones like Swanny down here close to us with government mule and at the Halloween place where the same

location where it gets really, really crowded.

That's awesome for us if we want to do that.

Sweetwater 420 is back in a bigger way than they've been with the revivalist Marcus King, Green Sky and then one of my favorite bands, dearest favorite bands,

drive by truckers in in April, which Sweetwater 420 was always a big hit.

And I know this is one that's near and dear to you, Taco, because you've done it many times recently and I used to a lot.

Shaking knees.

Yeah.

In Atlanta, which is really picked.

I mean, it's got some national recognition of a really good festival.

And I think that's one of the things that's really been a big hit for me.

And I think that's one of the things that's really been a big hit for me.

And it's a middle age rock festival.

So a bunch of us middle age guys like that kind of stuff.

Well, they have moved their they have moved this thing all over.

They've moved it from Central Park where it's been last couple of years.

It used to be in Centennial Park down by the football stadium and, you know, all the Olympic stuff in downtown Chattanooga, and they've just done that all over.

And the same thing for the slash football stadium and it's pretty cool.

down by the football stadium and, you know, all the Olympic stuff in downtown Chattanooga,

which I think is a really good spot. But now they're going to Piedmont Park. Have either

of you been to Piedmont Park in a while? Or not? No, I don't know if I ever have. It's

well, Music Midtown, the the last now defunct version of Music Midtown was at Piedmont Park

and I've been to other festivals that my friend of mine used to live nearby there. It's a

beautiful park. It's a gorgeous, perfect park where they do the side by side staging. One

ends, one starts. One ends, one starts. And you can be sitting in the middle and never

leave or you can do whatever you want to do. So I think that'll be that that'll make Shaky

Knees look and feel very different. But I think only good things could come out of that

because that Central Park wasn't great because you go from concrete to up on a baseball field

to like a soccer park. Like it's kind of a city park. But yeah, I mentioned it to Corey

real quick. He said, you know, moving it from Central Park to Piedmont Park, it's get a

lot more space. And he said a lot more space to book a lot bigger headliners. Yeah, that's

awesome. And he names. But you know, he did mention that it's a lot more space in the

sense that it's just one huge no where there's no mystery here. Like you don't got to go

around the corner and go find the emerging. Like here it is. It's just this big rectangular

stretch and and it's very easy to understand. I would love to go back to Shaky Knees. That

May and June is getting busy. Well, I don't know if it's going to be in May. They haven't

announced the dates yet, actually. Well, it's usually been in late April, early May. So

we'll see. But there's some rumor that it might get since they changed locations, they

might have to push it back later in the year, possibly. And then a couple more locals here

or not locals, festivals. One is local and the other one's close. We just left and we

didn't talk about it because we didn't ask him about teases with things coming up. Cave

Jam, you know, in Memorial Day weekend with string cheese again for the full weekend

and plenty of undercard blue grass ish stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I want to go and I

want to camp. I want to camp and I want to do you know, I want to put I want to treat

that one like Bonnaroo and do some do some do some interviews and hang out and make a

big weekend. I mean, I am excited after seeing that property. I'm glad you said that. Yeah.

In the bright sunshine on a 68 degree day, you know, and just being able to get a good

eye view on the whole place. I'm in love. Yeah, it's awesome. With the cavern. It's

awesome. Yes. And I want to go spend and I hate camping other than doing it at Bonnaroo

and I want to go spend a weekend. Can you could you not see yourself with your hands

behind your back up on the amphitheater? You know, just listening to whatever. Yeah. Oh,

yeah. Awesome string cheese. I mean, I'm not that they're not my favorite. I would love

a weekend of some string and speaking. I wanted to say only because Russ, I think you probably

noticed it to Coachella Craftwork. Really? I did see that. I figured you probably did.

Maybe maybe we get them on the phone. Help me remember what you're talking about. You were

talking prog rock, right? I mean, these guys invented it. Talk about a legacy electronic act.

Yeah, we're talking about Coachella right now. Yeah, it's on Coachella. But I'm the fact that

Craftwork is performing. I mean, just the interesting thing with Coachella right out at me.

I couldn't believe it. So the interesting thing with Coachella that a lot of people are talking

about through the socials is their timing for a lot of this stuff. It looks it feels like they're

being deliberate with with right around Bonnaroo dates. I don't know if they're if that's true or

not. Good point. I also want to know the misfits. How did they get? Oh, and the misfit. Yeah, I

figured those other two. How did they? Well, if you look at the lineup, it's the only band that uses their logo.

I had misfits ready to talk about because it's also in there. The only just this doesn't mean

anything, but the only font that's different on the entire Coachella list. Exactly. Is the misfits.

I can't do it. Sorry. Misfits in their actual font for some weird reason. And then I looked and I

was like, hold on. Who is the misfit? It's the original. It's the original. And you know, they're

going to Danzig is going to be there playing some Danzig too. Like that's going to be a really fun

show. So that's huge Coachella. But for me every year Coachella, this sounds like it's not true.

And it's just someone making something up or it's just not always that accurate. But man, everything

going on out West in a lot of outside of the headliners, that's a different world. We're about

10 years behind on trends, on technologies, on innovations, and a lot of things from the East to

the West. And so for me to not know what most anything on a Coachella lineup, that's how it's

been since I've ever heard of Coachella. Like every year I look at Coachella and it's loaded with stuff

I've never heard of, but the top of it seems fine to me. Post, Charlie XXX, Misfits, Gaga, Elliot.

I mean, top's fine. Top's fine for me. Go-go's in there too. Wow, they're pulling some people out of

retirement. Yeah, I didn't see the go-go's. I didn't either until just now. But yeah, T-Pain,

T-Pain, of course, tacos guy, plays every festival in the history of the world.

Maybe Bonnaroo can get Kraftwerk. That would be awesome. I would love that. I don't know, man,

but it makes me feel good about where this lineup could be going because so many of these are

really doing pretty well overall. They're getting a lot of fan positivity feedback. Correct. And the

last one that I want to mention from, yeah, this is the last one that I have on my nose.

About 20 years ago after Bonnaroo's jam band thing was taken off in the first three, four years,

out in West Virginia or Maryland or somewhere over near coal country, there was the All Good

Festival. And it was a hippie dippy, like kids, young people, 20, all of us from our early 20s.

I didn't end up going, but so many people I did and it was all jam stuff and people loved it.

Maybe it was youthful ignorance and maybe it was awful. I don't know. Well, they've now brought

All Good Now back, which is just like a revamped version. Have y'all seen this?

It's a week before, it's the same weekend as Bonnaroo. And this was who mostly people were

fighting over. Where is Goose going this year? Where are they going to be in the prime spot of

the summer? Well, the answer is All Good Now. They're the headliners along with Joe Russo's

Almost Dead, String Cheese Incident. This thing's obviously set up for Disco Biscuits, Daniel Donato,

Pigeons and Ping Pong and Keller Williams. It's set up for the jam community. So I thought that was

pretty cool. They're doing that again, except this is not really a festival. This is one of those,

you kind of, I don't want to call it bait and switch, but it's just at an amphitheater for two

nights. So it's like tonight at the amphitheater, this shows. The next night at the amphitheater,

these shows go home. Like it's just two nights of a bunch of shows like Lollapalooza 30 years ago.

But anyway, they got back and I thought that was neat. Do they have one of the Neil Francis?

One of the Neil Francis. Oh, shit. I just missed Moe. Moe is going to be there. I mean, Moe is

Jam Band Royalty and they're on the bottom of the list. Eggie. Yeah. Interesting. Grateful Gospel. So

you know there's going to be, oh, that's Keller's Grateful Gospel. So you know you're going to get

some dead in there somewhere. So yeah, I just thought that was neat. I'm not going out to

Maryland for that, but I thought that was neat.

Let's talk about country real quick. Country is huge. Yeah. Especially with, country might be

bigger than ever right now. Oh, you mean like the Thursday rumor? Is that why you're, is that where

you're going with this? Yeah. And I don't, I don't know, you know, for sure, but you know,

Bonnaroo has never run a country headliner that I'm aware of.

No, I don't, I mean, I don't know where you're going with this. It makes sense because it's so

close to Nashville, right? I mean, that's part of what brings it up. That's part of it, but

part of it is also just, it's so huge, especially with that younger generation that they're trying

to hit, you know, and that's part of what they're trying to hit with EDM too. They're looking at

the next generation of fans. Don't forget though, the CMAs are that same week or they always were.

So they're always the same week. Yeah. So Nashville has its country thing, you know?

Yeah. Do you think it makes sense for Bonnaroo to try to,

do you think it makes sense for Bonnaroo to try to get a country headliner?

What I'm saying is it makes sense for them not to, not why would they compete with CMAs,

which is, well, I think it makes sense. If you plucked, if there was something that just worked

out to pluck over for one, but I, I don't know your, your points accurate, very, um, I don't know.

And then there's also a lot of, uh, artists these days where we can't figure out what they are.

Like Zach Brian. I've talked about him on many times. I'm, I'm just, yeah,

I mean, obviously that's the rumor. Uh, I'm, I'm perplexed by these artists. I can't figure

it. They're not really country, but they are, but they're not. And, but they're country fans or who

are their, their ticket buyers. I would put it this way, and I thought about it, uh, since Brad

was on and he, he very pointedly said what Bonnaroo tries to book is whatever is the best

thing going in music at the time. Correct. And if it's country, then yeah. So yeah, a hundred

percent. I agree. I agree. But to respond, but to that, uh, they've also said in other, uh,

context of conversations on what they can and can't afford and Zach Brian, who I just mentioned

is filling up football stadiums. Bonnaroo's not booking Zach Brian. He can make more money in

football stadiums and he'll ever make it Bonnaroo. So those are the kinds of things they're going to

run into there. So yeah. So did we answer your, yeah, just to open it, just speculated around it.

No, I get it. Even Chaparone did a country song, you know,

sorta somebody, somebody did for better or worse. Yeah. And that dumb song is so catchy because of

course it is. Cause it came out of a lab one day. It was in my head. Uh, I get the job done to get

the job. I was like, Oh, why is this in my head? Uh, cause I love chapel so much, even with this

terrible misstep. I mean, I'm not sure what your actual question is, Russ. I mean, we talked about,

we wanted Dolly, we wanted Miley, we were going to have Miley that's country. We were hoping she

would bring friends. I mean, Nashville is literally 50 minutes away. Um, but like I said, they have

their own things going. And as Brian pointed out, they're, these guys are filling arenas. So,

well, and believe it or not, people don't just want to play Bonnaroo like we want them to want to play.

Like there's, there's a lot of artists that have either done it or do so many amazing things on a

regular basis. Now the destination, uh, festivals and gatherings are so popular. Like these guys

and bands and women do really unique things every year, multiple times. And so a lot of this is just

like, you know, like Miley, Miley, that's why I wanted to like Miley's right up the road. Why

she never booked? Cause Miley might not want to play all that much. I mean, if it works great,

but I mean, you've, we've heard enough interviews with her and followed her around. I'm a big Miley

fan, big, big Miley fan, but I, you know, I could see, uh, yeah, Bonnaroo, sorry guys. I got plenty

of others. Yeah. We kind of had the chance in 2020 and you know, I don't know that, I don't know if

the stars will align again for her to come. Yeah. I mean, those stars just, all of that said,

I still think, uh, I still think the Thursday surprise headliner is going to be a country act.

I think it's going to be a huge country act. Do you think, do you think they're going to try to

run a country? I've said that from the time, from the minute Brad said that. I think so. Yeah. You

know, I don't have any insight. I just think so. Well, my final thought on that will be the same

thing I probably said last week and probably say several other times is that I, for me, and I'm

totally biased, but that Thursday night with a, with a classic jam band artist all by itself,

with all the other stuff going on, on the other side of center, Rue sounds like the perfect nod

to, to maybe bring in some old types that would not have any interest in Bonnaroo anymore. But

man, my panic is playing or it doesn't have to be panting string cheese or, or,

you know, just put something on there. That's easy. Cause pretty lights was easy. It's simple.

It's, it's, it's not, it's not dangerous. It's, it's, it's, it's very, uh, easily consumable.

And, and I just thought that was a beautiful start to that Thursday night idea. And I think now if

you throw a panic on there or, or an umphries McGee, I don't even like them or, or somebody

that just kind of like a nod song, you don't like that 90 minute song that they do. I like the one

90 minutes song. I like 90 seconds of the 90 minutes. Um, but I think that would just be a

really cool, and maybe they don't see, maybe there's, they don't see any return on this. Um,

but a very cool way to not let nod back to your roots.

My thought is I don't care who it is to me. It's the beauty of the Bonnaroo festival is I get to

see a band that I would not otherwise ever see. Good point. Whether it's country or jam or whatever.

Yeah, that's yeah, I just, well, I think that I agree a hundred percent, but also,

I mean, maybe I'm just being too excited over this over the last, you know, eight months or

however long since the announcement of pretty lights on that Thursday. I just think it's one

of the best decisions Bonnaroo has made in a long time and it was way overdue. Don't leave that

thing dark on a Thursday, open it up for one act. And it's just like, this is such a game changer

for that day for so many different reasons. That's why I think if they go away from it,

which they're not, they're not, but if they did, they would be fools and they're not fools. So

they won't do it. I agree. Especially when you're bringing people in on Tuesday.

This Thursday artists, they said, approached Bonnaroo and said, we want to play this show.

How can we make it work? And they pretty much had all the other night's books. So they said,

well, we can put you on Thursday. So that's how we got to the point. And I think that's

how we got this Thursday act this year. That sounds like they could be tipper to me,

but we'll see. I don't care who it is. And I think tipper on Thursday night

headliner would be perfect because the Thursday night headliner on what doesn't need to fill

in check boxes or fill any kind of prerequisites or a resume. Like you don't have to be a traditional

headliner everywhere you go. You can, you can get away with this new idea and do it however

you want to do it. You could throw. That's interesting. My point, meaning for me,

I don't think you got to wow me with that headline. Just give me one. Let's don't do it today,

but I want to talk about that idea of headliner. Cause I, and I haven't fully formulated my question,

but the headliner thing seems to me, maybe the definition is changing somewhat.

Uh, and we could spend some time on that. Like not today. Uh, cause Fred again, sort of asked that.

Um, it's anyway, I'll think about that question, but, uh, I, I think it gets to your point. Like

you just said, you don't care what it is on Thursday, just do something different. Cause

it's Thursday and you can, it's the best aid, the best sound. Everybody's there.

You've go crazy. Other than, other than the manpower. If you were trying to cut back on

manpower, but other than the manpower, it's such a simple, just turnkey operation. And I know

Brad is right now rolling his eyes. Brian, nothing about this is turnkey. Um, but the point that it's

just turn the lights on, Brad would be, it'd be good. Like I know all about this. Just get me to

do it. I'll turn it on. Um, I know it's more complicated, but it's the infrastructure is there.

It's there. It's ready to go. And it feels like a waste to me. It feels like a waste because also

over the years, we, you know, real quick reset of what we talked about many times is that what,

uh, Thursday on the tents has become so popular that it's becoming an annoyance because you can't

really see the music you want to see because everybody wants to be everywhere. Well, let's

open up a 50,000 seat, a field and put on Graham Nash for the night. Put on, uh, uh,

Art Garfunkel and friends. Like I don't care. Put on anything. Uh, because we'll all go over there

and lay in the field and listen to it. We've been there since Tuesday. So we're going to go see what

Yeah, we'll go sit in the field and we'll do whatever we're going to do and listen to whatever's

on the stage. I think it's just a endless possibility of experimentation and I hope they keep

doing that. All right guys. Good show. Yeah. Uh, that covers everything. I don't have any clue what

we're doing next week. We'll figure it out, but this was another good one. Uh, yeah, it'll be

Thanksgiving weekend, but, uh, everybody there. Yeah. Happy Thanksgiving. And we'll, uh, yeah,

we'll love something to follow up after that and what it is. I don't know. We'll figure it out.

Hugging out of your family and, um, see y'all in a bit. Bye.