The What Podcast
What Bonnaroo Fans Actually Want From a Podcast
Season 9, Episode 30
Published August 5, 2026
https://thewhatpodcast.com/episode/what-bonnaroo-fans-actually-want-from-a-podcast

Bryan (00:00.18)
One number or one kind of graph that jumped off to me is to is to where people are listening. I'm always wondering that.

YouTube's number one. seventy two percent said they listen or watch on YouTube, which is not surprising. it

Not surprising, except I still don't get it. Just download it and listen. Why would you watch this?

Right.

Brian, I don't people don't don't hate you as much as as you might have thought, huh?

Bryan (00:22.636)
I d no, I think they do.

Or maybe they do.

Yeah.

Barry (00:31.616)
Welcome back to the What Podcast. I'm Barry. That's Brian. That's Russ. Guys, it feels like it's been forever and it's only been a couple of weeks since we've all been together. But ema is it just me? But it feels like it's been a long time.

I always say time flies and it doesn't have anything to do with whether you're having any fun or not. Time just messes with my head every single minute of my life. I I know I get two weeks feels like two months, two months feels like two seconds. I don't know. But good to see you guys.

Yeah. Part of it is because we've probably done some shows where one or the other of us has been missing and that's okay. We all need a break. We're all traveling. We're all busy. but along those lines I kinda wanted to start today with recommending to anyone listening, that they go back and listen to the last couple of shows 'cause there've been a lot of information in there that I I that I keep mulling over.

first of all going back to the Keith Richards, not that Keith Richards, feels like you have to say that every time, right?

Yeah. You do, you do. And that before we get into it, Barry, there was, you know, every now and again there's some snark in our text threads, you know, just sometimes, right? And I can't remember what it was at all, but it was something along the lines where I was like, I don't know what's going on this week. We do anything this week. And then you said something like, Yeah, Keith Richards is on. And I was like, Okay, asshole. Okay. But I I thought you were being a smart ass. Like, yeah, we got Keith Richards on. Like, no, buddy. I'm like, okay.

Russ (01:30.772)
Yeah. Well you do.

Barry (01:49.912)
Yeah. No big deal.

Yeah.

Funny, funny guy. And I was like, wait, that Keith Richards. That Keith Richards. I gotcha. I gotcha.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. You buried the lead.

Russ (02:04.194)
Yeah Yeah.

I thought he was great. I went back and listened a second time as I often do and and it's you know, when you're doing it live, you think, Well, this is going really well and then when you go back and listen sometimes to a show, you think, Wow, that was a really good show. I thought it was really good. Well about you, Russ. I know you had to listen to it 'cause you had to edit it so you heard it again.

It was. I've I've listened probably three or four times at this point. But yeah, he is really good and I definitely want to get him back on, maybe closer to lineup, because I think remember he gave us a few artist names to check out and so I I feel like, you know, if that's his job to get people on festival lineups, he'll have some people on that Bonaru lineup next year. yeah, really good stuff.

Yeah, I missed you guys on that one and I find it interesting though, that we're talking about this in particular because we'll get to our own

survey of sorts that we've that we've done. We'll do that on this week's show here in just a little bit. And I was pleasantly, I don't know if surprise is the right word, but ple just happy with the responses about why people listen to the show and where and those kinds of things. And Keith falls into the category where it looks like most our listeners are most interested in. Again, we'll get to a little bit we'll get to a little bit more of that a little bit later on. But that fell right into that category for me.

Russ (03:19.182)
Mm-hmm.

Barry (03:30.124)
Well, in Piggy Back, we ran this last week. Again, if you didn't listen, go back, please do. I highly recommend it. Brian did a an outstanding job editing some old shows into a basically a two hour radio what would you call it? Hit highlight reel? I mean I don't

Yeah, re retrospective maybe. I d bet you know, best of yeah, best of and greatest hits are never my favorite way to to to term things 'cause one man's best is another man's worst. But but yeah, it was f it was I'd say it was fun. It wasn't that fun. It was a lot of work, but

Yeah. Compilation best stuff, yeah.

Barry (04:07.81)
Yeah, I could tell. Yeah, but it was so everyone from our show with Noah Kahan to Ken Weinstein, sh who and I you really and you you nailed it because it surprises me. Ken came to Camp Nut Butter to do that show, which just always tickles me. First of all, that he would give us that much time and then come see us. And I think that isn't that Russ when I

I can tell.

Barry (04:36.066)
gave away your moonshine or was that prior? Yeah. I wasn't supposed to say that word out loud, was I? We know I don't know. Never mind. but anyway, so he got he told us some of the origin stories with being with the founders as he calls them, with the guys from Superfly and Ashley Caps and and hearing him revisit

that no, that was that year, yeah, yeah.

That's when the tradition started.

The tradition began, yeah.

Russ (04:48.568)
No

Barry (05:04.182)
Standing on that stage is what Trey and Fish was about to go on, right? Looking out over the crowd and saying, Fellas, what have we done?

Mm-hmm.

Bryan (05:13.942)
Yeah, if if you were to do nothing but scrub to that point of of the show, that's what I would suggest. I have I remember when we did I mean, when I I I mean I was I was in in on that one too. Like I mean we we just had a big round table out at the campsite. It was very unofficial. There was no real sho I mean this you this this podcast had started, but you know, nobody really knew what it meant. Nobody knew what it was, meaning all of us, like nobody knew.

Right.

Russ (05:42.334)
It was like barely a year old at this point, I think.

Yeah, so it barely was even a thing yet. And and when we got and I was still working at this radio station right here at that time. And when we got back, I had a mild panic attack because I thought we had lost that audio. If it it it had to be cleaned up for this backstage stuff no one really cares about, but very overmodulated, out in the woods, you know, we didn't we were new to this. Let's

No, it's three months.

Barry (06:06.242)
Right.

Bryan (06:10.55)
record in the middle of, you know, nowhere kind of stuff. And we were able to save that audio seven years ago. And then of course it's all archived now by the official what podcast historian and archivist Lord Taco, Russ Jackson. Thank you so much. And and speaking of, you know, the thing, you know, yes, putting a radio to show and editing is something I've done for twenty something years. It's very easy. It's tedious, but it's easy. But the the video again, thank you on that one, Russ. That that turned out.

Yeah.

Bryan (06:37.91)
Really cool too. I know it's a lot of stuff thrown at you in a two hour stretch, but

Also a lot of work, yeah. But it I think it came out really well. It's nice to have all that just in one package.

And along those lines, also p part of that radio show that you did was our interview with Tuba Smith, who and going back and listening to that, it interesting because he talked a lot about things that we're still talking about today. That was what, three years ago? I mentioned the weather and and the how the the what stage used to flood or would flood and how they need to address that. So guess what?

the what stage needs flood or what blood and how they need to address that. So guess what? We're still talking about that. Yeah. Can't can't can't escape it. But yeah, yeah. Those are the th those that was a fun I I like that kind of stuff. I know it doesn't necessarily do the best because I get it. A lot you know, people want new and fresh and we're moving forward. But it's there if you would like to go back and and check it out because we impro we enjoy putting it together.

We're still talking about that, so yeah.

Russ (07:18.999)
Yeah.

Barry (07:36.62)
Yeah. It was really good and it was for ba r Radio Bonnaroo or Bonnaroo Radio. I would

Yeah, yeah.

Bryan (07:43.518)
I have it's Bonnarooo Radio. People people wanted to argue with me that it wasn't it used to be called radio Bonnarooo. It was, but now it's Bonnarooo Radio and I've conformed and I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it.

Okay.

Barry (07:53.762)
Okay. I will go with that. so that's why you did it and it r it ran during the weekend, but we ran our show last week, so highly recommend you go back and listen to that. But also that you go back and listen to any of our past shows 'cause in my mind they're fairly evergreen, especially the interviews with bands, Noah Kahan, Jim James, Dancing Chris or Chris the Dancing Man or whatever he g however he chooses to

Yeah.

Bryan (08:07.872)
any of our past shows 'cause in my mind they're barely evergreen, especially the interviews with bands, Noah Kong, Jim Jenks, Dancing Chris or Crisp the Dancing Man or whatever however he chooses. Dancing Man Chris, yeah. So

Dancing Maker. so anyway, that was that was really cool. so all right. Well that's the past stuff. what what's there's news. There's news in the music world.

Well that's the past stuff. what what there's news? Well yeah, a little bit. Before we do that, we're gonna get to the survey here in just a few. I gotta just recap quickly this Jesse Wells show from Asheville, North Carolina last week. every year, as you guys know and anybody who's here regularly, if you choose to remember, you can remember I kinda I I over fixate sometimes on an artist and sometimes I listen only during that time and then I never come back or then they become

Yeah.

Bryan (08:59.244)
Favorites for a lifetime. So whether it's Chaperone or the Beaches, last year would have been MJ Linderman in 05 and 25, excuse me. And this year was Youngblood that that I that I early on said, this is gonna be my artist this year. And I've already taken and left Youngblood. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't need it anymore. Like it was wonderful at the time. Rock show had a I mean, everything I wanted it to be, it was.

Mm.

Russ (09:27.094)
Young blood's old blood now.

well, and I'm still here for the new stuff. He's such a young kid, but but it meaning it's not gonna fall into the rotation. And the Jesse Wells thing that we talked about on here where I ran into him out in the into the in in GA with that little special pop-up surprise show, that doesn't count as one of these Bonnaroo get ready for. I didn't know he was gonna be there. I was already s I was already becoming a fan of his over the last year or so.

Mm-hmm.

Russ (09:50.168)
Yeah.

Bryan (09:54.518)
And he's well known for all his little quirky, this quick reset of of his TikTok and online stuff, minute-long songs, clever rhymes, but it's very gimmicky. It's very, very I don't know what the better word than gimmick is, but and so a lot of people don't like it because of that. Guys, the way people are feeling about Billy Strings, and I'm just kind of puzzled by. I just don't understand why you're so crazy about this guy. To me, that's what everything Jesse Wells.

is for me. Now he's not the picker, but he he can shred. His lyrical content is mind-blowing. Like Bob Dylan would sit down and probably be like, This guy, what is going on here? Like this is really, really, really intricate stuff that is packaged and delivered in a really simplistic, easily digestible package of music. And the Asheville show ran around, saw some some

Parks and some forests and some waterfalls, and then hit the show in downtown Asheville. just blew me away. I mean, favorite well, the all of West Carolina is as bad it can be as about as fun as you want it to be. And Asheville has been one of my favorite southern U.S. cities since the mid 90s. This thing is it's crazy. He does not have the he he's only known for these gimmicky, crazy, clever lyric things that are a minute and a half long.

I love Asheville.

Bryan (11:22.712)
He's got 50, 60 songs of just folk rock and folk rock. Like you he mostly see him with just an acoustic, and you think more that Woody Guthrie Bob Dylan thing. The guy shreds. He's running around on stage, electric go ins and out to acoustic electric. I'll leave it at that. I could fanboy for a long time. I'm gonna push hard to get him on the show one of these days. My guess is he's in really high demand right now.

Yeah.

Nice.

Russ (11:47.384)
Yeah, I would love that.

Bryan (11:52.438)
Just a my god, new favorite. I will be I will go on and on about this over the over the for the the foreseeable future. And quickly the opener who played at Bonnarooo on the Witch stage to open one of the night days, I think it was Saturday, she's from Australia. Her name is Steph Strings. Kind of an Ani DeFranco style kind of sound. But

Yeah.

Barry (12:18.734)
Okay.

Don't you think it's probably the worst time in the mare in the history of music to have the last name strings?

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

How's I there's only one s person that has the name strings and it c it seems like it can't be two, so she's yeah.

Russ (12:32.846)
R Right, yeah. There's only one Alicia Keys.

It's kinda like the Keith Richards thing. You gotta stick a no relation every time you say your name. No relation.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Or or it's a little bit like help me out with this Barry, what is it, Davy Jones, right? David David Bowie. Yeah. And and they you know they was like, We can't we got can't have both the same name. now I know they're they're not the same name, but when you're when you're known for, you know, crazy guitar play and picking and you both have the last name strings, it seems like one of you is gonna get left in the dust and I'm

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. David Bowie and and the monkeys singer, yeah, yeah.

Russ (12:52.994)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Right.

Russ (13:08.782)
Strings, yeah.

Yeah.

I hope it's not her 'cause she was fabulous too. But what a great what a great weekend in the in West Carolina last week.

Yeah, that's funny. Yeah. and I I you know, go again, going back to our previous shows, it was I it's still really cool that you stumbled across that that show. Yeah. That's such a Bonnaroo moment. That's what's

It's one of the coolest things I've ever happened in my life.

Russ (13:32.044)
Yeah, and a lot of comments on that, about people saying, my god, I had no idea he was there. I would have loved to see him or people that that did say they stumbled upon him and it was one of their favorite moments. Yeah.

I mean

Bryan (13:42.602)
It's designed they I mean they do this I t we talked about this you know right after the festival. It's designed to be secretive and it's all around the country. Like they don't want that many people to show up, to keep it kind of special and because the areas he goes can't handle a lot of people oftentimes. But this this is more than a gimmick and it is it's a it's a recent obsession of mine. So missed you guys last week, but that big time in Carolina.

Two things real quick. Two things pop.

Yeah, glad you got to go. And you got to do it looks like you're on the Blue Ridge Parkway and did some waterfalls around there too. Yeah.

I was in on the edge of the Great Smokies in the Cherokee and Piscah, DuPont. I I I made a big weekend and Bryson City, North Carolina. If you got a chance, go hang out in Bryson City, North Carolina. that's a that's an awesome town, man. Awesome, awesome, awesome.

Mm-hmm.

Russ (14:25.516)
Yeah, I've been there. Mhm. Absolutely. Yeah.

Yeah.

Barry (14:32.418)
Yeah.

Yeah, if you if you've never been up on the Blue Ridge Parkway, it's incredible. We would love to hear from you. Write us a comment below, drop us an email at comments at the What Podcast dot com, or leave us a voicemail at four three six six seven seven eight seven seven.

Yeah, good stuff.

Bryan (14:49.644)
We can bounce around the festival scene this past weekend. rain is not just did not just affect Bonroo for two years in a row. It came through the Midwest and got two festivals in one day. Or maybe two days, but at least the first third and a and a half or so of both Hinterland, which we were invited to go to. Boy, that was tempting. That was tempting.

Mm-hmm.

Russ (15:12.424)
I I I was trying to figure out how to make that work. Yeah.

Yeah.

Twelve hours in the bus ain't gonna do it, man.

Yeah.

I'm I'm not sure twelve hours in anything

Bryan (15:24.32)
I agree. I agree. Hinterland is near d probably an hour from Des Moines, maybe something like that out in in in Iowa, and then just goes straight up whatever Hio interstate takes you up to Illinois and you got Lollapalooza, which are you know both as we're recording or wrapping up on Sunday, and they got hammered, both of with rain. Lollapalooza in particular. Those the the pictures, the s the aerials.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Bryan (15:52.482)
man, that place looked like it was wrecked. But they have a good grounds crew there in Grant Park and they were able to get things together. And then both Iowa and Illinois have beautiful, like as we would say, Chamber of Commerce days on Sunday. So hopefully everything goes well there to wrap up the weekend.

Wow.

Barry (16:12.699)
You and you mentioned it, but just to emphasize, thanks to the guys from Hinterland for the invitation. it was a it was a little quick and they realize that, but thank you very much. And w you know, maybe next year with a little more time we can Yeah, but that is a trek.

Yeah.

Yes, yes.

Russ (16:25.452)
Maybe next year w if we have enough planning, yeah.

Well, I was in love with I was in love with the headliners, Lord and Mumford. Just those two only. Like I that that's a that's a nut that's a a great weekend in a alone is Lord and Mumford. That's just because that's so much different than every other festival in the country. Lollapalooza, pretty good lineup too. They always do. Smashing Pumpkins were Saturday night, after they got the the grounds a little bit cleaned up. But and then a little bit lesser festival size

the lineup was outstanding, yeah.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Bryan (16:56.896)
scope of a of a fest, but certainly something very cool. It's called Picathon in Oregon, about thirty miles outside of Portland, Oregon. And that's where our our friend rhymes with Diesel, Liesel, Rockstar Sweat, which is the best one of the best handles you're gonna find on social media at Rockstar Sweat and then and then our own Beth Thorpe is is shooting that festival in

Lethal, yeah.

Yeah.

Bryan (17:26.379)
as I mentioned, in Oregon. So that looks to be a big time and she'll be on with us maybe next week to talk about that and then the festival she was at in Maine too. But I I she showed me the lineup. The one of the main headliners is Steve Earl. This is a smaller thing. Billy Strings played it before anybody had heard of Billy Strings. So it is a pickers kind of thing. and I look at the f at the lineup right before she she got a late approval to go and I was like it looks pretty neat. It's okay.

Mm-hmm.

Bryan (17:55.63)
And I keep going down through it, I'm like, hey, look at that. Channing Wilson, our guy from here in Chattanooga, Tennessee, one of those approaching overnight sensations since nineteen ninety seven.

Our man.

Barry (18:08.248)
Yeah. Yeah. Thirty year old thirty year overnight sensation. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. And he to for a national footprint, Shanding Wilson was not the winner, but you don't need to be a winner of these kind of shows, a finalist on CBS's, I think it was I'm sorry, I th I didn't write it down. I think it was called The Road. I think it was just simply called The Road. And and he was at the Ryman doing the final I mean it it it was major league television stuff just last year, and that was kind of Channing's big break, but

I think that's right.

Bryan (18:42.594)
He's been down here playing in honky tonks, you know, whatever version of honky tonks Chattanooga has, since I was a teenager. And so big, big time. And and when when I saw that, I then I got FOMO. I was like, Well now I wanna be there. I was like, it's it looks like a bunch and it's not picking like bluegrass. Like so there's I'm sure there's bluegrass, but it's it's like an Americana.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Russ (19:08.298)
All styles of guitar playing. Yeah.

Yeah, Channing and Channing's the real deal. And he has been, like you said, for years and years and years. And he's he is chased this dream whatever. from Chattanooga, from Nashville, I think he was doing songwriting, wasn't he, for a while? in addition to his own career, he was yeah.

Yeah.

Bryan (19:24.31)
Bill, I think he was doing songwriting.

I think Luke Combs is the one who picked up one of his songs. I mean, Luke Combs d I don't think I'm not convinced Luke Combs knows how to write a song. So, so like he he that's all the Channing absolutely does. And I believe it was Luke Combs. I mean, i if it's not Luke Combs, is another one of those two first name type guys. Yeah, one of the Bryans. and I'm I'm sorry, I don't mean to be sound like such a hater on that, but

Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right.

Russ (19:41.016)
Mm-hmm.

Channing does.

Barry (19:52.755)
One of the Lukes.

Barry (19:59.842)
No no, I get it.

But yeah, Channing that that's what really broke him through and probably what put was it Luke Combs? And that's what

You're right. He wrote, she got the best of me and growing up and getting old for Luke. So No, no, too different. Two different so Yeah.

Is that all one song or is that three? Okay, two You never know. Is it a is it in parentheses? Like how long is that song? Anyway, that might have what put him on the the radar for the the CBS television show, but big ups to our to our guy Channing Wilson. And then one I just wanted to add you were talking about bath. Let's get back to Yeah.

Yeah. W with a country song, yeah.

Barry (20:29.262)
And I just wanted to add, you were talking about Beth. Let's go back to that. she's c she's doing to these festivals sort of on our behest, I guess. she's getting some of these applications through us, which I'm super, super thrilled about. And

Mm-hmm.

Russ (20:48.482)
Yeah, we and we've been posting some of these pictures that she's been getting and they're great. So it's it's cool to have her kind of as an official photographer, especially remote, you know, West Coast yeah, yeah.

Our West Coast correspondent.

Well, west and northeast. and and just like she does at Bonnarooo, she just is a energizer bunny. I she just doesn't she doesn't stop. Sometimes like, would you take a breath? And she just and it's she's just that's what she does. And yeah she

And northeast, yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Barry (21:08.524)
Yeah, she's a pro.

Barry (21:13.496)
Yeah.

She's there to work. She's a pro. She's great. So very happy to I I can't wait to hear from her 'cause we haven't really talked to her since Bontaru. So we haven't even gotten her Yeah, go, go, go.

Mm-hmm.

Russ (21:21.654)
Yeah. We haven't. She's been she's been flying all over. And speaking of Lisa, Brian, I pr kind of predates your participation on the on the show, but Lisa was one of our original Patreon members back in what, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty ish. So we actually had her on the show way back when. And she was one of those that flew from you know, West Coast. So we talked about that 'cause we thought it was fascinating.

Good friend of the show. She's also friends with Lindsay down at the other farm. So do run into every now and then. That that's all she does. She's she's she skipped Bonnaru one year 'cause she went to Glastonbury. Yeah.

Good friend the show. She's also friends with Lindsay down at the other farm. Yeah. she runs to it. She's getting honored in one year because she's Yeah. Yeah. It seems like she goes to all of the festivals. And

She goes to a lot of festivals. Chose.

Barry (22:02.415)
that's right. That's right.

Barry (22:07.66)
Yeah.

She's at every single one. It's it's amazing. And yeah, even back then she was talking about Piccathon and what a cool festival it is. So it's cool that Beth got to go.

Cool. and she's front row. She's front row to every show she goes to at Rockstar Sweat. If you wanna watch every front row s set, it's crazy.

yeah.

yeah, yeah.

Russ (22:26.786)
That that's Yeah, that's why she's Rockstar Sweat, 'cause she's literally getting the sweat from all these rock stars she's in the pit with. Yeah.

Crazy. And and while we're talking while we're talking about festivals, let's shout out our guy, squeegee guy, Austin. He's at this this festival near here, actually. It's it's le yeah, Sound Haven. It's less than an hour away from Chattanooga. And it is it is EDM all day long. It's the only reason they made the place. And he has some kind of workshop going on there. He's part of the part of that festival. So good for him. Very, very cool thing for him to to be able to do.

Yeah. It's awesome.

Russ (22:45.762)
Soundhaven, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Russ (22:59.874)
Yeah, it does. Mm-hmm.

Awesome. Yep, still trying to get him to come on with us. I want to hear from he and Cassie about their VIP experiences, which we teased the week before Bonnarooo from my nephew's bar, Lomain, the Sunday thing that we did. So they were both, you know, getting ready to do VIP and we're kind of curious that they were, you know, they might get spoiled. So I I want to hear their reports. I want to hear from Yeah.

Get him.

Russ (23:17.346)
Mm-hmm.

They think that we did. So they were both, you know, get ready to do VIP and we're kind of curious that they were, you know, like the point they're Yeah, yeah. I I think the spoiler alert is they were. I'm just guessing. I I d I don't know. And we'll we'll get out of here in a second and get back to go to the survey here in the in the next segment. But quickly I wanna ask you, Barry, Glenn Hansard

Yeah.

I I think it's fully spoilage, yeah.

Bryan (23:46.09)
who passed away in in Ireland. were you on his radar at all over the last twenty years musically? Or and you too, Russ. chime in after too.

Not really. I mean I I know got the news like everybody else this week and and got lots and lots of saw a lot of response and a lot of people even reaching out to me, you know, like, did you see this kind of thing? So I I think you know much more than I, about the about his past and history. So

Mm mm.

Bryan (24:17.002)
A little bit. you first so, Russ. Any any any on your radar at all over the last couple of decades?

No, I I didn't recognize the name. I I saw the news come across and looked him up just to see who it was and yeah, I I I I'm surprised I hadn't really heard of him.

Yeah. Quick well, I'm not really. what I was surprised with was the devastation from the response to fall. I mean, somebody you love dies. It's devastating. Period. We know that. Move that along. Lots of people die, lots of stars and famous people. And I just could not believe how much this affected so many people in the music industry. I mean, I'm talking macro, like the the whole world.

Right.

Mm-hmm.

Barry (24:54.125)
Yeah.

Russ (24:59.007)
Mm-hmm.

And and so that that caught my eye at first, but I've no only reason I he had the he's the what is it, once, I think is the name of that movie from like 20 years ago. I don't watch I don't watch movies. I don't know what that is, never heard of it. but he has been really good friends, like more than just collaborators, friends with Eddie Vetter. All right, here goes another story about Pearl Jam. Here we go. but yeah, as we joke, but is completely

Ha ha.

Bryan (25:27.852)
Real, if Eddie Vetter's into something, there's a pretty good chance I'm gonna be too. And I've always wondered every time I see him with Glenn Hansard, what does he see in this guy? Like, why what this guy's music? I it never grabbed me. I'm always gonna give it a chance. If you know, no matter who Ed's hanging out with, I'm gonna give it a chance. And it never worked for me. And he's been doing it for almost 15 to 20 years, and I don't know why.

Yeah.

Bryan (25:56.432)
I don't I don't know why it didn't connect. I'm usually, except for early back in the day when I would get too drunk or be too worried about drinking as much as I can, miss the openers of Pearl Jam shows like twenty years ago. But in the last ten or so, I've always gotten there early to see the opener. Well, Glenn Hansard was opening the Madison Square Garden show when I was with our buddy Brad Steiner in New York a couple of years ago.

And because I was hanging out with a bunch of, you know, hot shots and it was Glenn Hanzard, who cares? I didn't I didn't go see him. And so I I do regret that now. But I just wondered if you guys were very familiar because I other than just his a affiliation with Ed Vetter, I have no idea about what this guy's been doing, but it it touched a lot of people. A lot.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Barry (26:35.714)
Yeah.

Barry (26:45.932)
Yeah, once is film, but he was also in the commitments that movie, if you remember that one. So fifty six died of a in a motorcycle crash in Dublin.

Hmm.

Bryan (26:57.174)
Yeah. Get off the motorcycles. I understand the enthusiasm for auto, right? Cars, buses, trucks, motorcycles, but those things scare me to death. They scare me to death. That's such a it's it and he

Yeah. Yeah, I had a I had a cousin years ago lost a leg. My mom always called a murder cycle, so we never yeah. Not a anyway.

Ugh. Ugh. So yeah. And Glenn Glenn Hansard looks like an old guy 'cause he's always had the beard and the whitish hair, but fifty six. That sucks.

Yeah, fifty six. Let's take a break. We'll be right back.

That's really young, yeah.

Barry (27:40.238)
All right, we're back. a couple weeks ago we put out our own list of survey questions. And thank you everybody who responded. Appreciate that very much. let's go through a little bit because we got some decent information and it it turns out Brian, I don't people don't don't hate you as much as as you might have thought, huh?

Yes, thank you. It was fun.

a little bit we got some decent information and it it comes out Brian I don't people don't don't hate you as much as as you I no I think they do.

Or maybe they do.

Yeah.

Bryan (28:09.024)
I don't know. I I I only I skimmed through it last night. I don't have a printer, so I wasn't able to print it off and I I I was just looking on my phone. And so I don't I don't know. mixed bag. I mean if everybody loves ya or if everybody hates ya, you should adjust what you're doing. But if you got some in between, then you're probably all right. One number or one kind of graph that jumped off to me is to is to where people are listening. I'm always wondered that. Since I start

Yeah.

You're doing something right.

Russ (28:37.858)
That's where yeah.

Since I started podcasting over ten years ago and especially then when you had no idea what you were trying to look for in metrics or whatever, I was always it might be my first question like, Hey, I listen to the podcast. First of all, like, why? Thank you. And where, where do you listen to it? And what was that answer? It's it's YouTube, right?

YouTube's number one. seventy two percent said they listen or watch on YouTube, which is not surprising. it

It's not surprising except I still don't get it. Just download it and listen. Why would you watch this? I mean thank you. Thank you. but yeah, huge numbers on YouTube. But yeah, not surprising.

Right.

Barry (29:07.79)
Yeah.

Russ (29:14.198)
Yeah, second was thirty five percent, Apple Podcasts twenty two percent, and then you know, one percent other. and and these are Spotify's thirty five percent and this adds up to more than hundred percent because people could choose more than one. so these were just the most selected things. So yeah, YouTube number one, Spotify number two, Apple Podcasts number three.

Which one was Spotify?

Okay.

Mm.

Barry (29:40.216)
The YouTube thing is not surprising. Didn't the survey come out years ago that that's where most people get their new new music from? wasn't it YouTube? Yeah, yeah.

I it it's wild to me, but yeah, it is. It is.

It is the number What Podcast platform in the world.

Crazy.

David Lowry from Cracker and Camper Van Beethoven and one of his side gigs is is or his main advocacy these days is is musicians' rights. They're writing, you know, credits and copyright and all that. He's a he's a warrior for that. And he gives he gives like TED talks about it all the time. And he starts off with, you know, what's where does everybody get their music? Or just where do you think? And and most people don't start at YouTube and he gives the numbers and it's YouTube by by by light years. It I just myself.

Barry (30:06.06)
Right, right.

Mm-hmm.

Barry (30:18.07)
Yeah.

Bryan (30:22.944)
Hate the YouTube app app. I do not like it. But that's just one man's opinion.

Yeah. Well thank you. Wherever you're finding us, thank you.

Yeah.

Sure, yeah. We like we like that there's a variety of places you people listen to us and

Yeah. I mean s Spotify I think is just king and that's just where I c that's that's just another y you know, one man opinion.

Russ (30:42.254)
All right, next question we have is which content do you like the most? And this was kind of surprising to me. number one with 89% behind the scenes. They like the festival organizers, the people that actually book the lineups, the people that, you know, like Keith Richards, like we had, is a good example of that. yeah, all this stuff, how it's made. far and away, that's what people like to hear. 89%, 44%. People like the community. They like when we have people like

Do you like the most? And this was kinda surprising to me. number one with eighty nine percent behind the scenes. Do you like the festival organizers? That's why I teased it earlier.

Russ (31:12.418)
Patrick on, Squeegee Guy, you know, all these people that make Dancer Man Chris that make Bonaru just such a fun and unique thing. people love listening to that. And then thirty five percent artist interviews. I really thought artists would be higher on the list, but it's it's dwarfed by you know, behind the scenes in in community stuff. So I guess that informs our you know, our content model.

Yeah. Dancing man, Chris.

Russ (31:41.066)
Some, you know, if it's definitely validates it.

Yeah, validates it a little bit and and and Barry, you and I disagree on this a little bit. just overall like philosophically, you know, not like vehemently or anything. I don't enjoy a lot of artists' interviews. I as a listener myself, it's kind of from the sports sports ethos. I don't care what the shortstop's got to say. I care what the general manager has to say. I'm not interested in the the the the bullpen reliever or the or the running back.

Yeah.

Russ (32:01.933)
Mm.

Barry (32:06.487)
Hmm.

Bryan (32:11.894)
I wanna hear from the the director of scouting. And so I I've put that in kind of the same template of a of deciding whether do you wanna talk to the bass player of the beaches or do you wanna talk to the executive director of the festival? And I'm gonna pick the executive director of the pest festival over the bass player every time. But that's, you know.

Y yeah. No, I I'm and this does validate and I'm glad to hear it because it's what we like. And I said it since day one. I love the the sausage making. I love the if there's a question, let's go ask the person who does it. Let's get Mr. Dale on and talk about landscaping on the farm or but I also like the artist interviews in this case because it's long form. If we were just trying to get a sixty second sound bite,

Yeah, it's definitely our f preference, yeah.

Bryan (32:50.921)
Agreed.

Mm-hmm.

Bryan (32:56.536)
this case because it's long form. Sure. We were just trying to get a sixty second sound bite.

I a hundred percent agree with you, Brian, 'cause it's you know, we're gonna get yeah, I really like our new record. It's some of our best work. yeah, and then three years it's like I hated that record, you know. Yeah, so

you know, we're gonna get yeah, I really like our new record. It's some of our best work. Yeah.

Bryan (33:14.848)
Yeah. Tell me about what's the song writing process like? Well

Yeah. but the long f long form, you know, we get for thirty, forty minutes. So, you know, you get to hear Noah Kahan talk about how

Yeah.

Bryan (33:28.136)
And there's an example for when it works.

When it works and Jim James. And I I'm I don't think we've had too many eye rolling artist interviews on on our with us and I think it's that that long form, but I I get what you're saying.

No, no it

Bryan (33:43.342)
Well, and and I'm and and when I was going on about that a second ago, I was meaning more as me as a listener. And what I want as a listener, and using that as a template is how we're gonna do this show would be a disastrous way to approach it. Right. So I I get that some people do want to hear the bass player from their favorite band. Some people absolutely do, but the numbers are showing across all boards that people are less interested in.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Bryan (34:10.857)
In that kind of stuff. I don't have a the the the citations to give you right now, but because I've been doing a little bit of this research for over the last 10, 15 years or so. I mean, back once upon a time, I tried to do a bunch of things here with local music in the city of Chattanooga where we live. Not because I think the local music is so great, because I thought all the people who liked local music would, you know, the collaborating kind of thing. It was a selfish move on my part, harmless, but still selfish. And I realized after I did that and then did more research across the board that.

Right.

Mm-hmm.

Bryan (34:40.312)
With new media and the saturation of it, if you want to know what Eddie Vetter thinks about anything, you don't need me to ask him. You can just go find it. He's already said it. They've already talked about it. And so that's so but so but but if if I said if we went with that and we didn't have an artist on, then we would never have a a Noah Kahan or you know, who's gonna turn down

Well there's yeah, there's that. There is that.

Barry (35:01.176)
Paul Janaway, one of my favorite interviews I've done in my career. A guy peeing on his back is one of the funniest stories I've ever heard. Yep. Yep.

Mm-hmm.

Bryan (35:10.338)
St. Paul and the Broken Bones for those unindoctrinated. That was a f and and I w I had my own experience away from from this ethos with Paul Janaway. That was equally mind blowing. And if I said, I'm not having the guy on from St. Paul and the Broken Bones because I don't like interviewing artists, well, then I would have never had that discussion. And so you there's a balance. But I I like to see that our listeners seem to line up with what we feel like is is is.

Yeah.

Russ (35:39.67)
Me too. Me too. Yeah. It's it's good confirmation. Yeah, there you go. how'd you hear about us? This one I thought was really interesting because there was a bunch of different answers. and then people could just write in their own. thirty one percent heard of us just from word of mouth. And all that is is, you know, somebody telling somebody else, Hey, I listened to this podcast, you should check it out. So we really appreciate when you when when you share and tell other people that you think would be interested in our show.

Is good content.

Well we'll keep doing it.

Bryan (35:48.392)
interesting 'cause there was a bunch of different answers and then people could just write in their own. thirty one percent heard of it's just from word of mouth. And all that is is, you know, somebody telling somebody else, hey I listen to this podcast. Really appreciate it. Yeah.

Russ (36:08.66)
it obviously helps a lot.

That's a large percentage. That's a big percentage.

Yeah, and especially 'cause that means you had to you had to f remember the name of it. 'Cause you just don't wake up on your own and think, I wonder if the what podcast is about Bonnarooo

Yeah it is.

Russ (36:23.534)
True, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And word of mouth word of mouth can be easily, you know, I eyewitness accounts and a lot of stuff doesn't really bring as much credibility to information as people think it does. And so word of mouth can be you just you th you saw it on online somewhere and you didn't realize or remember why, right? Like the psychology gets into this.

Meaning that did work. Yeah.

Barry (36:44.534)
Right, right, right.

But the point is you can't remember exactly. And so that actually I that's just an interest that's just an interesting metric.

Right. Well, yeah. 'Cause it's one of the it's the least it's the one you can least quantify with how many, you know, conversions or whatever you're getting. You can track links, you can track clicks, all that kind of stuff, but somebody telling something to somebody else is completely analog and you know it's not it not easy to track. So interesting that it's so high. Twenty seven percent is YouTube recommendation, which is you know, goes back to what we were saying.

Right, right.

telling something to somebody else is completely analog and you know it's not yeah not easy to track. So interesting that it's so high. Twenty seven percent is YouTube recommendations. YouTube is so good at finding an audience for what they think you want to watch. And in our case, yeah, we we get recommended to a lot of people that listen to types of content that, you know, artists interviews and behind the scenes festival stuff. So that's we

Barry (37:10.114)
Yeah.

Russ (37:18.694)
YouTube is so good at finding an audience for what they think you wanna watch. And in our case, yeah, we we get recommended to a lot of people that listen to types of content that, you know, artist interviews and behind the scenes and festival stuff. So, you know, that's it works hand in hand. sixteen percent from social media clips. You know, we post on TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, all these places, YouTube Shorts, all these little short bits.

Not cool.

Russ (37:47.254)
A lot of people do watch those and you know, you wa get to watch two or three of those, you sort of get familiar with the show and then you're more likely to watch a full episode. So that's cool.

I wish that number was higher, to be honest with you. And I think over the next five years it will be. I think that that is really starting to pick up a lot of steam and all things social media is the clip. The clip culture. Some people have a a you know, kind of a pushback and an issue with it. won't get into that. But I wish that number's a little higher because I I think that's such a great st

Yeah, no, it's it's it's one hundred percent true. I mean, traditional social media, you know, posts and all that is dying. It's all becoming short videos. I mean, Facebook is basically reels. That's all they that's most of what they see, you know, the most growth on.

Yeah, Facebook is basically reels. That's all they that's most of what

Yeah.

Bryan (38:33.826)
There are some people, there are absolutely some people and they c it could be into the hundreds, p possibly thousands that will know who we are or any any any kind of entity like this and never actually watch an hour long show. Never.

Yeah, there's people that absolutely would never sit down and watch the f this the full thing. But they'll watch clip after clip. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's yeah, I've heard that too.

I I mean I people have told yeah. It's not my opinion. People tell me this, you know, so

Well, we s we we saw that with the Austin clip. What it five five point eight million views and all the comments were like, What the hell is this? What is this show? What are we watching?

Mm-hmm.

Bryan (39:01.57)
Yeah.

Yeah, that's just silly ass.

Yeah, well that's that that's a bit of an outlier. Yeah, most people that saw that had no idea who we were, which is which is funny, but it's fine.

Yeah.

That's just silly ass stuff. Awesome, loved it. But anyway, go ahead, taco.

Russ (39:18.7)
This one I thought was really interesting and it was ten percent r people responded that they basically watched since the beginning. They don't remember how they come across us because they've just been listening to us from the beginning. Or they said they were an early, early Patreon member like Liesel. and it's amazing that with as much new people we have listening, we still have all these old people that have stuck with us and you know, this is going on what, eight years now? So really appreciate that.

Yeah.

Wow. And it's amazing that with as much new people we have listening, we still have all these old people that have stuck with it.

years now, so well, really appreciate that. We met a lot of at Botaroo. Yeah. Came up and said, Hey, I've been watching since the beginning. Thanks. Yeah, it's awesome. Six percent said they found out about us through like a

Well, you we we met a lot of at Bonnarooo. I mean, how many people came up and said, Hey, I've been watching since the beginning. Thanks. It's awesome.

Russ (39:47.896)
We did, yeah. Mm. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. six percent said they found out about us through like a Google or an AI search. Makes sense. You know, if you're searching for either Bonnarooo content, Bonnarooo interviews, Yes, but that's a big part of it. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Tips and stuff like that. four percent said they listened to us from another podcast, which, you know, we do have gone on other podcasts before Storytime at the Roo Bus.

Yeah, bonero.

Yeah. You're going for the first time where yeah, I

Yeah, like what do I pack? What do I yeah, what do I pack? Yeah.

Russ (40:22.134)
RooHamm, you know, stuff like that. there's some cross pollination there. four percent just said other, and then three percent Reddit. So which out of all the places, I mean Reddit, we still get a lot of people from Reddit. So we don't get a lot of love on Reddit, but we get a lot of clicks on Reddit. So yeah. Yeah, yeah. Reddit's kind of a miserable place.

No, well nobody does. Nobody does. I l I love Reddit, but it's it ain't a place to go look to be celebrated, that's for sure.

Russ (40:53.974)
And then I also asked, you know, what th throughout the year, what other festivals besides Bonnarooo would you like us to maybe talk about or cover? and it was all over the map. I mean, I wish we had all of them, basically. I mean, ev yeah. There's people listed festivals all over the world. And I wish we could do nothing but travel and do all these festivals, because it sounds amazing. but the number one requested was Hulouen.

Well all of them? All of them would be a good

Yeah.

Russ (41:23.148)
So maybe, maybe it'll happen. I mean, we have a request and we'll see. a lot of people mention shaky knees, several people mentioned Bourbon Be and Beyond, which is another one that's not that too far. I mean, it's not twelve hours. That's doable. that

Okay.

well w it might be the year.

Barry (41:37.718)
No, that one's doable. We need to do that one. We need to

It's very doable, but unless Patrick, from Sobrew's b putting us up in his living room and giving us a you know good accommodations, I don't know that I'm gonna do it. Just I d not any time soon. I think we'll drive right now. It's true. It's true. It's true.

Hey, I d I just need I just need a driveway, man. I can park in his driveway and I'm set. Yeah. yeah. of course we got a few mentions, a lot of EDM festivals, which I don't know if you're gonna see us at a lot of those. But yeah. Not not the first time, yeah.

Just need a dryway.

Bryan (42:06.594)
I like how I got called a boomer. I got I got I got called a boomer.

That has to hurt. That's gotta sting.

Russ (42:19.15)
That's not even Boomer, yeah.

Wow.

Barry (42:26.828)
No, I'm at the very bottom of

I say you're knocking on the door, Barry, but

Right. Yeah. People mix up these terms all the time. It's it's it's hilarious.

Yeah.

It's no I mean I get I I know what they're saying and they're not wrong necessarily.

Russ (42:38.018)
Sure. Yeah. But yeah. other festivals on here, ones we'd love to do, honestly. I mean, people mentioned just, you know, the basics Coachella, Lollapalooza, ACL, Louder Than Life, Electric Forest. Several people mention, you know, Cave Fest, Cave Jam, anything at the caverns, which we love to do. We already yeah, we already got that locked in. Jazz Fest, Gov Ball, Railbird, just, you know.

Ha ha yeah. Grumpy old man Brian.

Bryan (42:57.792)
Well, we already got you covered on that.

Russ (43:05.986)
Hard to quantify all that, but pretty amazing.

I'm gonna have to find a friend in Chicago. I I need some friends in Chicago. That I mean, that is an expensive trip. Even, you know, no matter say someone hands you tickets. Okay, great. That is still a really expensive weekend in Chicago. So I don't know where my friends and family in Chicago went, but they're not there anymore. So I probably won't be at Lollaplu's anytime real soon. but yeah, what what else you got there, Russ?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, absolutely.

Russ (43:34.126)
Well let's get to some of these comments because that was really, you know. Yeah, let's see. somebody said I'll just bounce around here. A lot of them were really just like, keep doing what you're doing. We love the show. which you know, thank you for that. would love a couple mini vlogs with on-site footage from Bonnaru or more B roll and photos, which we could definitely do. You know, some of these are actually decent

yeah. We'll wrap it up on that.

Bryan (43:45.313)
Yeah.

Barry (43:57.28)
Yeah. Yeah, I thought about that after this year. We you know, all the walking around and talking to people, we really didn't, you know, stop and take any video or even photos too much when we were out and about. So I'd have to think about that.

Yeah, we might have to make that a priority. yeah, people saying I love the show. I'm a weekly listener viewer since pretty much the beginning. keep it up. I like when Ryan isn't there the most. I don't know who Ryan is. They put a question mark. I I assume maybe they mean Brian? I know.

Isn't there the must? I don't know.

Bryan (44:29.23)
I'm assuming it means Brian. And I will tell you this. I like it when I'm not on this show too. Because that means I'm off doing something I've planned and having a fun time. So I I will maybe you'll get maybe you'll get some more of that. Maybe I'll get some more of that.

Yeah, yeah. Not hanging out with us.

Right. Yeah. we had several comments that say I enjoy the podcast. This helps me cope with the Bonnarooo blues and keeps me up on Bonnaroo news year round. So, you know, we do have a core of that just stick around and listen every week and we love that.

So people put in comments for Bonnaru itself, nothing would really to do with us. that just tells me you didn't read the question right. So

That's all right. Like what though? There's a g bring tame Impala? I mean, those kind of comments or

Bryan (45:08.074)
yeah. Like what?

let's see. Well, they said I think Bonaro should have a small Nashville stage or a battle of the bands for a spot from the Nashville area. So many great Nashville blands bans, blah blah blah blah blah. I agree. That's a great idea. nothing we can do about it. Yeah, yeah, that that's that's bottom line, yep. yeah.

said I think Bonaro should have a small Nashville state or a battle of the bands. Put a spot from the Nashville area. So maybe great Nashville band. Yeah, blah blah blah blah. I agree. That's a great idea. done there's nothing I can do about it. Where where f find that boomer comment before we get out of here if you if you see it. It's kinda long. It's like it's actually very lengthy.

Doesn't sell tickets, but

Barry (45:33.944)
Ha ha.

Russ (45:38.178)
Yeah, let me find it. here's another one. just says Russ is great. I like that comment.

Hey, easy enough, right? That would be

I think that was me.

Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Our John our buddy John, E D John, I don't know if what we're calling him as a nickname, but I know he put that he put John is great, I'm John. I thought that was John is bad. Yeah, I thought that was I thought that was funny. Good good pull.

Russ (45:56.586)
EDM John. Yeah, easy. John is the best. This is John. So thank you, John. Yeah. We'll have John back on at some point too. That's one thing we're working on. yeah, like y'all, but sometimes the boomer takes are a bit much, particularly from Brian. I think it's hard to be representative of festival culture and very dismissive of EDM and newer music in general. Not to hurt anyone's feelings or insinuate that you have ever had liked to have.

Solid. Yes, very soon.

Bryan (46:13.006)
Particularly for pride.

Russ (46:24.856)
That you have to like every artist on the lineup, but I think making more of an effort to dive in, and of some of those artists on the lineup and give a few albums of each one, giving your thoughts on each one. So

I mean fair enough comment. I it it is a fair enough comment.

It started out a little sharp, but yeah, you know, it's really not all that off base.

It is.

Bryan (46:43.17)
I mean I'm not I'm not gonna do it, but but thanks. No, I'll be you know, I should be open to a little bit more, but I'm I'm not listening to E DM guys. It's just not happening. I'm not l I'm not gonna listen to jazz. I'm not gonna listen to bluegrass if I don't have to and I'm not gonna listen to D.M. doesn't mean I'm mad at you or hate you guys. I just you know.

Yeah.

Well

Barry (46:59.15)
Yeah. And I

Yeah, and I kinda disagree with that premise. You don't have to like everything on there to still enjoy going and talking about it. you just don't. I mean, and nobody is gonna like everything.

Yeah. And I think

And I'm not to not to argue or defend or whatever, but I I think that was probably truer two years ago, when we just pretty much did dismiss it out of hand two or three years ago. I think we've made a concerted effort to have people like EDN John E D. John on and to talk about it and Kyle and, you know, we know our shortcomings so and we'll continue to do that.

And ki E DM Kyle and

Russ (47:29.346)
We have, yeah.

Well, I'll give you the I'll give you the credit here, Barry, because you have been more I don't know, I c can't think of the right word, just more interested in trying to bring that to this show than I have. And so the closer to boomer age guy is actually the less boomer the

Yeah.

Barry (47:50.7)
Yeah, the old man. The old man who likes it when the beat drops. The drum yeah, I like I like some of it. Some of it I'm just

Right.

Russ (47:57.612)
Right. Out of the three of us, Barry is the one most likely to be into EDM. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

That is true. That is absolutely a hundred percent true. Like you you I mean, I thought Skrillix was the biggest noise making, not good stuff I've ever heard. And Bar Barry, I know you were disappointed with it too, but going into it, you you were like, I'm looking forward to the Skrillix show. Now that I was

Absolutely.

Barry (48:18.478)
Yeah, I'm looking forward. I thought Grizz was great. I thought LSZ I was that L S Z is what I I I like that booming make your heart hot.

I don't know what I don't know what that is, but I'll tell you that Grizz that Grizz stuff is for real. That is real stuff. That is mu that is music to me, what gr what Grizz does. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Ha ha ha.

Yeah. Yeah.

Russ (48:38.67)
Absolutely, I agree.

Cool. Yeah. All right. Any other comments?

just, you know, a few random ones. Keep up the amazing work. Love the show. It's a perfect way to keep up the spirit of Bonnarooo alive every year. Weekly ish episodes are excellent. No notes. Thank you and happy roo. Don't stop making the podcast. I was I look forward to listening to you each week. Was a Patreon back in the old days. Glad you're still going strong. Helps in the off season th you know, just kind of just stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah.

Awesome. Cool.

Let me give you one example here too quickly. I had this in my notes I was going to do in the beginning, but I but this kind of fits to what we're talking about now, as far as being open to new music or being more receptive to things that you might not be sure what they are. And it also can kind of go with the Glenn Hanzer discussion that it maybe I never gave him a fair shake for whatever reason. a lot of times this is just, I just don't have enough time or interest or care to learn everything. And I can't, I can't, I can't know it all. But this is an example. It doesn't have anything to do with.

Bryan (49:37.58)
But genre. I have stumbled on here recently, guys. I love the band The Strokes. I really like them. It's too late. The festival's over. I didn't care for, and I know they're not new, they're a legacy act, 20 years a band. I didn't know what all this music they made, and the and I learned it while I was there because I heard it in the distance. And then I've now, every time I hear a song, it seems like I'm like, who is this?

Yeah.

Russ (50:01.698)
Mm-hmm.

Bryan (50:06.95)
that's the strokes too? I said the strokes was the worst one of the worst rock acts they could have booked. How boring, how lame, who cares? Dummy me. I care. I like them. So I this is not just about EDM. This is just me being dumb all the way around.

Yeah.

Barry (50:24.974)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaking of going back to the YouTube thing, something that has shown up on my YouTube feeds, and I have no idea why, is a an act called Castle Rat. Look that one up. R A T Castle Rat. Look that up. It keeps showing up and I'm fascinated by it. They're out of Brooklyn, so. All right, what else, guys? Anything?

Sure, yeah.

Bryan (50:38.764)
Castle rat. Castle rat. All right.

Castle Rat, okay. Well I'll look it up.

No.

Castle Rat.

Bryan (50:53.094)
I think that mostly covers most of it. I will t say thank you to Reddit. speaking of kind of hating on the format, there's been a big flood of of people posting their photo galleries over the last like twenty years of Bonnaroo. If you wanna see Bonaro twelve and Bonnaroo eight and Bonnaroo seven and Bonnarooo fourteen and so many other years, they're that that's just the trend on Bonnaroo Reddit right now. So if you wanna see what Bonnarooo

That's a good point. I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah.

Yeah, but what it looked like before cell phones dominated and w before everybody's brain became a cell phone, Reddit's the place to go kind of reminisce. It's pretty neat.

Cool.

Yeah, I I think the one that stuck with me was somebody posted a picture of the crowd, like I guess at the what stage. And everybody's pretty much just wearing normal clothes. just T shirt, shorts. you know, this is long before the the fits. Yeah.

Bryan (51:43.192)
Yeah. yeah.

Barry (51:48.0)
Yeah.

Yeah, or early day early day bros, a lot of a lot of early day bros. a lot of males, a lot less females. by one picture, I don't think is is enough to to judge how the whole year actually truly went. But yeah, it is a it is a stark fun difference to see what it looked like then and what it looks like now. And the interesting part, the fun part is the festival wasn't all that much different. It was pretty much the same thing, same kind of concepts, just a

Yeah.

Russ (52:01.486)
I don't know.

Barry (52:11.766)
Mm.

Mm-hmm.

Different era, and it is really hard to imagine that 2008 is like a a a time and past that stands still.

Yeah. I know.

I know. It's true, yeah. you didn't really see a lot of totems. You didn't see a lot of like the kind of stuff that's normal now. It was really just people standing in a field watching a show. Yeah.

Barry (52:26.659)
Yeah.

Bryan (52:36.632)
Just standing around. What what would you w who would have thunk? You just stand there and watch some music. It's was a hell of a time, by the way.

Well in

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Brian, you pointed this out before the the camps. I mean, I think we were pretty much at the early forefront of, you know, Camp Nut Butter of going all out, going crazy with our Bloody Mary 10 and our picket fence and and all that. Now everybody's camp is I mean that's

Mary Dan and our picket fans.

Russ (52:59.756)
Mm-hmm. Mailbox, yeah.

I never quite thought about that, but I don't know if I want to go so far to say early pioneers of this, but we were certainly on the frontier for sure. Because yeah, in the in the aughts before we got into the teens of this century, that was not nearly a thing. It was it's just it just was a different, you know, it just was a different logistical setup. And

Mm. No.

Barry (53:28.716)
Yeah, early on it was about survival. And then as as we kept coming back, we being lots and lots of people, and you g came up with group camp and all that, people returning. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

How can we ma yeah, how can we maximize this weekend and not just be a survival until we get to the show mode? And and I don't know when that turn was.

Right.

I think well I think Brad had a lot to do with that 'cause you know, he's not gonna go out and camp unless he's got his full length mirror and bloody merry bar and, you know, fifty square feet of carpet and just you know

Barry (53:51.883)
Absolutely.

Bryan (53:57.654)
fifty square feet of carpet. He spent he spent all year planting that stuff. Yeah. Hillary would get mad at it 'cause he spent so much money on mites and picking pens. Yeah.

And he spent he spent all year planning that stuff. I mean, hi Hillary would get mad at him 'cause he spent so much money on lights and picket fence and a couch and actually we would take we ki took the couch from the s the radio studio

Yeah, yeah. We had a full couch and Yeah.

Yeah, it's it's who who had the right vehicle that could fit the couch in every year. that became you. that became you, but at first it at first we yeah. I would say I would say twenty twelve was when our game really started to pick up camping wise, and by fourteen we were the star of the show. We were the star of the block. We were the star of the block anyway.

Yeah. Yep.

Russ (54:21.774)
Well, that became me. Yeah. But it didn't start with me, yeah.

No, I did it. I yeah, it was awful.

Barry (54:40.322)
Yeah, yeah. For sure. For sure.

Mm-hmm.

Bryan (54:44.49)
And and then now we're boring old guys in a field with nothing. Except for his except for except for Taco's boss. Yeah, now it's it's back to survival.

I got a bus. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Now it's about survival.

Yeah. All right.

Well, and ha and you know, half of our camp doesn't drink anymore, so there's no point in a bloody merry bar.

Bryan (55:01.646)
It's true. There's no reason to have a full blown and it wasn't we say bloody merry bar. It wasn't just a bloody merry bar, it was a complete bar. Gin, vodkas, whiskeys.

That's true. Though what are we

no. Mm-hmm.

yeah. What do we What do we need? Kombucha? We got a next we got a kombucha bar. yeah. keg of beer, that was the best.

We had draft beer. Find me somebody. Find me somebody else in in Bonnarooo history who's had draft beer, real keg poured draft beer. I bet you won't find somebody who's done that.

Russ (55:20.949)
yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Barry (55:31.651)
Yeah.

Man, and he put that in that watermelon that that day, that Sunday. Gow, that was good. Mm mm mm. Winlan, Joe Winlan Winlan.

Yeah. Joe W J Winlan. Yeah, Joe Winlan.

Plus that

Custom camp nut butter tap. The handle. The tap handle.

Bryan (55:47.512)
Yeah, y the the the man. Wow, what those were the days, man.

yeah, yeah, yeah.

Russ (55:51.99)
Yeah.

Ha ha.

All right, anything else guys?

I don't think so. I don't think so. I'm gonna go find a trail to run around on for the afternoon, I think.

Yeah.

Barry (56:03.054)
All right. Good stuff. Good show. Thank you everybody for sending your comments and filling out the questionnaire.

you everybody for sending your comments. Definitely. really appreciate

Yes. really appreciate all the responses, all the comments. and just we will be here each week. We'll keep doing this. thank you so much.

You will be here each week. We'll keep doing this. thank you so much.